Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition)

[PeePee la Fritz]

I wouldn't call Anderson a bad rebounder, but he didn't do well in the playoffs (4.5 rpg). The only reason I can see that is because he was going up against a big front line every game. I would deem BBD the better rebounder (9.2 rpg). Ryan made strides throughout the season, but I think the length and strength of the Pacer front court was too much to handle for him.

The scoring aspect at the PF position isn't as much of a concern as the rebounding and defending aspect are to me. Defense is the cornerstone for most contenders and if we're talking about championships, Ryan has to improve on defense, a lot. Not saying he's incapable, because he has made significant progress throughout the season, but I'd rely more on Big Baby.

Plus, I actually don't see Ryan getting paid that much this offseason. I have a feeling NBA execs will look at those playoff stats and stray away. I don't see him getting more than 5-6 mill.

I'd be 100% on board to bring Anderson back at 5-6 mil per


Makes him very movable, and does not kill the cap. My issue is with the big time bad spending NBA Execs overpaying and Orlando matching. If NJ strikes out with Dwight I just got this gut feeling they are gonna throw 5 years and 50 mil at him

[MoMM]

5-6M a year is a good range, IMO.

I would only sign him for more if its an one year deal, for example, 10M for one year. This way he would have another year to prove himself, we could still have cap space in 2013 and could trade him at trade deadline for a better player too if we want to.

[magicman123]

Anderson is not a good rebounder.

And yet we're the ones being assigned such hyperbolic labels as "Blind Ryan Nut Hugging Fanboy Crowd." Interesting.

So you are saying he is worth a big time contract? Because I am not calling him a bad player. I am calling him a solid role player. And you dont pay solid role players big time money. Unless he turns himself into a solid defender, and finds a little more time to spend in the post. If you tell me Ryan can give me what he does right now and not get torched on the defensive end then sign me up for 4-5 years at 8-9 mil per. But right now he is a big time liability and has shown no sign of putting in the work to become a better defender. Not even the effort is there.

So give me toughness and defense everyday of the week over 3 point shooting!

come on man just check out his PER, hes a bona fide all star thats a legit 2nd option who should be paid $11-15mil a year, franchise player, just check out his PER, it tells the entire story

[PeePee la Fritz]

come on man just check out his PER, hes a bona fide all star thats a legit 2nd option who should be paid $11-15mil a year, franchise player, just check out his PER, it tells the entire story

touche. I apologize, you are 100% right and completely change my opinion.

Oh sarcasm. But seriously I am totally ok with Ryan on a reasonable deal. But I honestly think a team like NJ or Sacto is gonna throw $10 mil a year at him. Even if I could not stand the dude, you dont let an asset like that walk if he has a reasonable contract. I'd sign him just to move him with JJ and a pick if it were a 5-6 mil per deal

[Darth Magic]

come on man just check out his PER, hes a bona fide all star thats a legit 2nd option who should be paid $11-15mil a year, franchise player, just check out his PER, it tells the entire story

Just what we need some calm rational thinking.

Anyway, Ryan at 8 mil per is not an overpay in the least. 10 mill is too much.

[PeePee la Fritz]

come on man just check out his PER, hes a bona fide all star thats a legit 2nd option who should be paid $11-15mil a year, franchise player, just check out his PER, it tells the entire story

Just what we need some calm rational thinking.

Anyway, Ryan at 8 mil per is not an overpay in the least. 10 mill is too much.

I'll meet you in the middle and say I'd be able to swallow 4 years $28-$30 million. But that's the absolute ceiling for me. I'd be much or comfortable with 4 years $24-$25 million

I'd start off by offering 4 years $20 million. And regardless of wether I was able to sign him, my plan would be to move him along with another piece or 2 for a legit number 2 option. I do not believe he is a starting PF on a Championship team. 6th or 7th man, definitely. Just not a starter.

[Def Swami]

I wouldn't call Anderson a bad rebounder, but he didn't do well in the playoffs (4.5 rpg). The only reason I can see that is because he was going up against a big front line every game. I would deem BBD the better rebounder (9.2 rpg). Ryan made strides throughout the season, but I think the length and strength of the Pacer front court was too much to handle for him.

The scoring aspect at the PF position isn't as much of a concern as the rebounding and defending aspect are to me. Defense is the cornerstone for most contenders and if we're talking about championships, Ryan has to improve on defense, a lot. Not saying he's incapable, because he has made significant progress throughout the season, but I'd rely more on Big Baby.

Plus, I actually don't see Ryan getting paid that much this offseason. I have a feeling NBA execs will look at those playoff stats and stray away. I don't see him getting more than 5-6 mill.

I'd be 100% on board to bring Anderson back at 5-6 mil per


Makes him very movable, and does not kill the cap. My issue is with the big time bad spending NBA Execs overpaying and Orlando matching. If NJ strikes out with Dwight I just got this gut feeling they are gonna throw 5 years and 50 mil at him

I'd look to see if the team that gives Ryan an offer sheet is over the cap or not. If they're over the cap, they would need a S&T to get Ryan. If that team has a player that can help us, let's call this player Tyreke Evans , I'd ask for that player back and run BBD at the 4 and sleep well at night. At the end of the day, I'd really try to use Ryan as an asset first and foremost. If the team has cap room to sign him out right, then I only match if it's in the 5-6 mill range or lower. We can always move one of BBD or Ryan for a player that helps fill the 1-3 spots. You can't go wrong with either BBD or Ryan, but if we can get some wing help for Ryan, I'd try to do so in this free agency process.

[Truth24]

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This is the Ryan Anderson that I want on the team, mid range, points in the paint, a drive, put back, and of course his threes. Ryan brings so much more to the table then BBD and its not even funny but I can understand the want for a top notch rebounder and defensive four. The thing is BBD is not that, yeah he played solid but he is not this beast defender or rebounder. He is slightly better then Ryan but not enough to where I would want him over Ryan. I would be okay if we brought in a different four who is more known for defense but BBD is not a starting four in this league.

[eyriq]

come on man just check out his PER, hes a bona fide all star thats a legit 2nd option who should be paid $11-15mil a year, franchise player, just check out his PER, it tells the entire story

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[magicman123]

come on man just check out his PER, hes a bona fide all star thats a legit 2nd option who should be paid $11-15mil a year, franchise player, just check out his PER, it tells the entire story

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[PeePee la Fritz]

^ LOL I'd like to nominate that nut hugger definition and pic for post of the year!

[Driguez]

The Ryan crap again? The dude disappeared when it mattered most. Give me BBD, don't overpay for Ryan. I have the feeling we won't overpay tho, the new GM will be under the microscope and I bet he won't be making stupid decisions Otis style.

[Driguez]

Btw the whole stretch offense crap could be all but gone, we might not even go for a 3 point chucking 4. Thank God both Stan and Otis are gone.

[Nyce_1]

*sigh* should've traded Turk for Stephen Jackson

[Nemesis21]

*sigh* should've traded Turk for Stephen Jackson

Yep

[OrlChamps2030]

lol stats

This right here.. You're trying to prove to me statistically that Ryan Anderson plays BETTER without Dwight!?!?!?!?

I got some stats for you then.. 9.5/4.5

no that's not what Tony Battie averaged when he was 52 years old playing for us

no thats not zaza pachullia's career year

it's not Chris Duhon averaged in his 2nd year in the nba (although close)

it's what Ryan Anderson averaged in the playoffs WITHOUT Dwight

but but but Ryan averaged 4.1231π^3n2 on George Washington Carver's Offensive Autoadjustment Centroid Scale following the death of Osama Bin Laden that is adjusted to take into account the cool air in the Amway Center during games before sunset on Sundays when Dwight isn't playing

[rcklsscognition]

Here's a couple of my issues with Ryan. I think he's worth 5-8 million a year in the open market but I wouldn't pay him more than 6. I don't want my team's two best players to be the 4 and 5 positions. I want a PG/Wing combo with Dwight. If you can afford Ryan and get a 1/2/3 guard to pair with Dwight, great, if not, get rid of Ryan and focus on the 1/2/3 slot. I really don't worry about the 1 so much, but the 2/3 is my issue. New rules, new CBA, we need a 2 or 3 guard badly.

[The Real Dalic]

Why are we talking about Anderson now? How did this start?

[Bensational]

The biggest problem with Ryan is his circumstance. He should be well worth $6-8M, but that would be on a team that wasn't cash strapped by the ridiculous contracts that are being paid out to Hedo and Duhon. As it is, we're looking at limited cap space next summer, and Free Agency is this team's best hope of bringing in significant talent. Do we want Anderson taking up a further $8M that could otherwise be spent on Monta/Smith/Iggy?

Either way, I'm on board for keeping him as long as he's not grossly overpaid, solely because the team will need assets, either to help trade bad contracts away, or to fill in roles once bad players have been moved.

Dwight's $18-20M means there's $40M left over to build the rest of the team. 1 max guy would be worth another $18M of that, or 1 top tier guy would be worth $10-14M. Let's say we get 2 of those, that puts us at roughly $50M total, and only 3 players on the team. I'd be happy to invest in the top 6 guys, and fill the rest out with Vet Min ring chasers, but that would mean we've got $10M to split between 2-3 players. Giving Anderson $8M (assuming he compliments Dwight + the other 2 stars) just isn't feasible in that scenario, especially when one of our supposed top talents doesn't exist because that money is already being paid to Hedo and Duhon.

[NickAnderson]

I'm not a big Ryan fan at all but he is a good rebounder. Not bad or elite just average.