Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[Blue_and_Whte]

The Magic is 5-11 over their last 16 games, a 31.3% "winning" rate.

This is exactly when the Magic has their annual meltdown.

Yup. And I always fall for it too.

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[Bergmaniac]

Lewis at 21:
15 ppg
7 rpg
48% FG
43% for 3

I guess people just forgot how good he was.
Not to mention that he was second best player on team that was fighting for playoffs in 3rd season, being 21.

Can anybody imagine Isaac being 15 ppg scorer on playoff team today without thinking about 2K editors?

Exactly, and I don't see the Rasheed Wallace comparison either. In his second season Wallace was a 15 PPG scorer on a very good team which won 49 games and he was his team's first option in the playoffs. Few years later in 2000 he was very close to being the first option on a title winning team and scored 22 PPG against Shaq and Kobe's Lakers in the playoffs.

[pepe1991]

Cameroon Payne is only nba player who plays more mpg than Bamba with worst net rating than his.

If i didn't watch almost every game this year i would blame coach, but it's just hard to find better ways to play and use him. I really don't now how to put him into better situation. Maybe play him again with Vučević?

[MoMM]

Cameroon Payne is only nba player who plays more mpg than Bamba with worst net rating than his.

If i didn't watch almost every game this year i would blame coach, but it's just hard to find better ways to play and use him. I really don't now how to put him into better situation. Maybe play him again with Vučević?

Since we kind of don't have another backup at 5, I'd say we should continue playing him the way he has been playing. Eventually he will learn (or not). If we had a reliable backup we could send him to G-League for a while, so he could work on his post-game and defense awareness.

[basketballRob]

Cameroon Payne is only nba player who plays more mpg than Bamba with worst net rating than his.

If i didn't watch almost every game this year i would blame coach, but it's just hard to find better ways to play and use him. I really don't now how to put him into better situation. Maybe play him again with Vučević?

Since we kind of don't have another backup at 5, I'd say we should continue playing him the way he has been playing. Eventually he will learn (or not). If we had a reliable backup we could send him to G-League for a while, so he could work on his post-game and defense awareness.

He plays fine, they have no PG when he's out there. I think should start him and trade Vuc.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Bamba better turn out to be good because I am stuck with this user name for another 9 months

[pepe1991]

Cameroon Payne is only nba player who plays more mpg than Bamba with worst net rating than his.

If i didn't watch almost every game this year i would blame coach, but it's just hard to find better ways to play and use him. I really don't now how to put him into better situation. Maybe play him again with Vučević?

Since we kind of don't have another backup at 5, I'd say we should continue playing him the way he has been playing. Eventually he will learn (or not). If we had a reliable backup we could send him to G-League for a while, so he could work on his post-game and defense awareness.

He plays fine, they have no PG when he's out there. I think should start him and trade Vuc.

Fine by what standards?
30% FG, 11% for 3 , 5 ppg 2,5 fouls in last 5 games?

[fklt]

Cameroon Payne is only nba player who plays more mpg than Bamba with worst net rating than his.

If i didn't watch almost every game this year i would blame coach, but it's just hard to find better ways to play and use him. I really don't now how to put him into better situation. Maybe play him again with Vučević?

different roster is the only better situation. not only BIG is a total horse **** and those 3 can't play together, any pairing of them can't play together either. in all his nba minutes bamba was sharing the court with either gordon or isaac. that's a very tough hill to climb if you're the kind of player that he is. In my opinion every one of them can succeed if they can keep up average shooting percentages, but a lineup can only handle one player that doesn't know what he is doing when the ball is in his hands. he needs basketball players on the court to shine.

all my posts have been looking very similar for the last 6 months, cause I've been saying the same **** since last draft; keeping all these guys in the same roster is just setting all of them up for failure. like PrimeThyme said in some thread, bamba and isaac were okay enough picks in a vacuum. but when we drafted bamba without making any trades, at that point I was pretty sure weltman was dumb as they come. hopefully, unlike some people on the board, stats they produced by now will change their mind before its too late. and hopefully they will make a trade rather sooner, without crashing their trade value even further. mo's self confidence already took a nose dive compared to early season because of all this dysfunction in the roster, other GM's confidence in him will follow.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Since we kind of don't have another backup at 5, I'd say we should continue playing him the way he has been playing. Eventually he will learn (or not). If we had a reliable backup we could send him to G-League for a while, so he could work on his post-game and defense awareness.

He plays fine, they have no PG when he's out there. I think should start him and trade Vuc.

Fine by what standards?
30% FG, 11% for 3 , 5 ppg 2,5 fouls in last 5 games?

In no capacity does he play "fine", he's been pretty horrendous by every standard. The age excuse is getting really weak considering he's older than WCJ who I'd swap for Mo in a heartbeat.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Cameroon Payne is only nba player who plays more mpg than Bamba with worst net rating than his.

If i didn't watch almost every game this year i would blame coach, but it's just hard to find better ways to play and use him. I really don't now how to put him into better situation. Maybe play him again with Vučević?

different roster is the only better situation. not only BIG is a total horse **** and those 3 can't play together, any pairing of them can't play together either. in all his nba minutes bamba was sharing the court with either gordon or isaac. that's a very tough hill to climb if you're the kind of player that he is. In my opinion every one of them can succeed if they can keep up average shooting percentages, but a lineup can only handle one player that doesn't know what he is doing when the ball is in his hands. he needs basketball players on the court to shine.

all my posts have been looking very similar for the last 6 months, cause I've been saying the same **** since last draft; keeping all these guys in the same roster is just setting all of them up for failure. like PrimeThyme said in some thread, bamba and isaac were okay enough picks in a vacuum. but when we drafted bamba without making any trades, at that point I was pretty sure weltman was dumb as they come. hopefully, unlike some people on the board, stats they produced by now will change their mind before its too late. and hopefully they will make a trade rather sooner, without crashing their trade value even further. mo's self confidence already took a nose dive compared to early season because of all this dysfunction in the roster, other GM's confidence in him will follow.

I agree and I'd like to add that although they don't play the same, its similar to having Biz, Serge, and AG on the court at the same time. We don't have the personnel to carry three guys who cant create. That's a group that you surround Curry, Lebron or Durant with not Vuc and Fournier. I've been saying it for years, this team is constructed with the guys you surround elite talent with.

[IllMagic04]

He plays fine, they have no PG when he's out there. I think should start him and trade Vuc.

Fine by what standards?
30% FG, 11% for 3 , 5 ppg 2,5 fouls in last 5 games?

In no capacity does he play "fine", he's been pretty horrendous by every standard. The age excuse is getting really weak considering he's older than WCJ who I'd swap for Mo in a heartbeat.

I dunno if I'd sawp. WCJ is starting and getting more minutes. Plus I think we all knew he was more NBA ready coming in. No real surprise he looks better right now. Bamba is not ready yet. Not all all. Honestly he's not even close to ready and is further away then I thought when we drafted him. Too early to think about if Id swap but clearly its trending in that direction I agree. I'm not gonna judge Mo too much until He plays with a decent PG.

[pepe1991]

Cameroon Payne is only nba player who plays more mpg than Bamba with worst net rating than his.

If i didn't watch almost every game this year i would blame coach, but it's just hard to find better ways to play and use him. I really don't now how to put him into better situation. Maybe play him again with Vučević?

different roster is the only better situation. not only BIG is a total horse **** and those 3 can't play together, any pairing of them can't play together either. in all his nba minutes bamba was sharing the court with either gordon or isaac. that's a very tough hill to climb if you're the kind of player that he is. In my opinion every one of them can succeed if they can keep up average shooting percentages, but a lineup can only handle one player that doesn't know what he is doing when the ball is in his hands. he needs basketball players on the court to shine.

all my posts have been looking very similar for the last 6 months, cause I've been saying the same **** since last draft; keeping all these guys in the same roster is just setting all of them up for failure. like PrimeThyme said in some thread, bamba and isaac were okay enough picks in a vacuum. but when we drafted bamba without making any trades, at that point I was pretty sure weltman was dumb as they come. hopefully, unlike some people on the board, stats they produced by now will change their mind before its too late. and hopefully they will make a trade rather sooner, without crashing their trade value even further. mo's self confidence already took a nose dive compared to early season because of all this dysfunction in the roster, other GM's confidence in him will follow.

I mean, if you look at every single succesful roster in past 30 years they all had at least 2 guys that could be trusted with ball to make right plays for themselfs or for others.

Drafting 2 players, and re-signign third that have zero ability to control game in any capacity on offense was always walking into disaster.

I said it back in May, BIG is nice marketing thing but it's terrible basketball idea.

[rcklsscognition]

The problem with Bamba is that he doesn't look ready for a decent PG. Like I don't think he would be ready to be the recipient of plays or running sets and playing a 2-man game with a good PG. Hopefully next year or the year after, but he's not there regardless of the PG imo.

[drsd]

Since we kind of don't have another backup at 5, I'd say we should continue playing him the way he has been playing. Eventually he will learn (or not). If we had a reliable backup we could send him to G-League for a while, so he could work on his post-game and defense awareness.

Short of suiting up Mozgov, it's not like the DNPCD's for Birch will stop.

Clearly Birch is not playing well in practice.


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[IllMagic04]

The problem with Bamba is that he doesn't look ready for a decent PG. Like I don't think he would be ready to be the recipient of plays or running sets and playing a 2-man game with a good PG. Hopefully next year or the year after, but he's not there regardless of the PG imo.

Not consistently but I think we would see some flashes. I'd love to see a decent pg that can zip him some passes when hes roling open under the basket. Those easy baskets could get him going. Theres no reason to believe he couldn't at least get some good looks off pick and pops. Again it wouldn't be consistent but it would be something. Hes drowning out there right now.

[magicman112]

Stuck in limbo once again. Make a decision is it tank or trying to compete? The team as it is now is not suited for either and the front office seems content with it.

[j-ragg]

I'm much more optimistic about Isaac's future than Bamba's. Isaac shows flashes of skill but knows where to be on defense and has the motor/instincts to get there. He got dunked on by Oubre last night but it was a great contest. Sometimes I feel like when Bamba lifts his arms up it's a miracle. I want him to do well I just am not really a believer and wasn't before the draft. I crapped on Isaac a lot last year so I could just be an impatient dumbass.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Fine by what standards?
30% FG, 11% for 3 , 5 ppg 2,5 fouls in last 5 games?

In no capacity does he play "fine", he's been pretty horrendous by every standard. The age excuse is getting really weak considering he's older than WCJ who I'd swap for Mo in a heartbeat.

I dunno if I'd sawp. WCJ is starting and getting more minutes. Plus I think we all knew he was more NBA ready coming in. No real surprise he looks better right now. Bamba is not ready yet. Not all all. Honestly he's not even close to ready and is further away then I thought when we drafted him. Too early to think about if Id swap but clearly its trending in that direction I agree. I'm not gonna judge Mo too much until He plays with a decent PG.

Sure our guys are always 3 years away from being 3 years away. So tiring waiting for players to develop an NBA skill set when you watch teams around the league drafting guys that can contribute right away.

[MoMM]

I'm much more optimistic about Isaac's future than Bamba's. Isaac shows flashes of skill but knows where to be on defense and has the motor/instincts to get there. He got dunked on by Oubre last night but it was a great contest. Sometimes I feel like when Bamba lifts his arms up it's a miracle. I want him to do well I just am not really a believer and wasn't before the draft. I crapped on Isaac a lot last year so I could just be an impatient dumbass.

Exactly, not that I think Isaac will be a superstar, but I think he can at least be a good 3-D role player.

[Optimus_Steel]

In no capacity does he play "fine", he's been pretty horrendous by every standard. The age excuse is getting really weak considering he's older than WCJ who I'd swap for Mo in a heartbeat.

I dunno if I'd sawp. WCJ is starting and getting more minutes. Plus I think we all knew he was more NBA ready coming in. No real surprise he looks better right now. Bamba is not ready yet. Not all all. Honestly he's not even close to ready and is further away then I thought when we drafted him. Too early to think about if Id swap but clearly its trending in that direction I agree. I'm not gonna judge Mo too much until He plays with a decent PG.

Sure our guys are always 3 years away from being 3 years away. So tiring waiting for players to develop an NBA skill set when you watch teams around the league drafting guys that can contribute right away.

I've been saying it, going back to Elf and AG and into the Issac and Bamba picks, we keep taking chances on players that have no offensive skill but have measurements and athleticism. We keep hoping guys with no offense skill will be able to develop high offensive skill. It's not surprising then why we can't put the ball thru the hoop. Draft basketball players for once. Guys that have a clear skill set instead of gushing over lenght or verticals. Alot of these young guys have been playing ball for years by the time draft time comes and if they don't have it then it's unlikely they will develop it once they are NBA players.