Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[jonbob17]

Guards I’d be willing to consider including AB:
Shai
Luka does he count?
Mitchell
Halliburton
Curry
Edwards
Barnes
Trae
Maxey
Booker
Jamal Murray…not positive, he’s kind of the right guy for this team, but overall I don’t value as much as these other guys.
Cade
Lamelo
Garland I think…
I guess Brunson too.


If they are good and not on here they are too old or too expensive and likely both. Black is still under 8 years of cost controlled years. No on Scoot and Jalen Green

[pepe1991]

Guards I’d be willing to consider including AB:
Shai
Luka does he count?
Mitchell
Halliburton
Curry
Edwards
Barnes
Trae
Maxey
Booker
Jamal Murray…not positive, he’s kind of the right guy for this team, but overall I don’t value as much as these other guys.
Cade
Lamelo
Garland I think…
I guess Brunson too.


If they are good and not on here they are too old or too expensive and likely both. Black is still under 8 years of cost controlled years. No on Scoot and Jalen Green

You joking, right?

Anthony Black is rookie who averages 5 ppg as not point guard and gets DNP-CDs on regular bases on fringe playoff team on East.

Most people you mentioned are allstars, several players you mentioned are on tragjectory to become best players in basketball

[jonbob17]

Guards I’d be willing to consider including AB:
Shai
Luka does he count?
Mitchell
Halliburton
Curry
Edwards
Barnes
Trae
Maxey
Booker
Jamal Murray…not positive, he’s kind of the right guy for this team, but overall I don’t value as much as these other guys.
Cade
Lamelo
Garland I think…
I guess Brunson too.


If they are good and not on here they are too old or too expensive and likely both. Black is still under 8 years of cost controlled years. No on Scoot and Jalen Green

You joking, right?

Anthony Black is rookie who averages 5 ppg as not point guard and gets DNP-CDs on regular bases on fringe playoff team on East.

Most people you mentioned are allstars, several players you mentioned are on tragjectory to become best players in basketball

I didn’t say trade straight up. I said those are the only guards I’d consider moving AB in a trade for. The overwhelming majority are not available….in all likelihood AB is unavailable.

AB just turned 20 and is going to be a very good NBA player and is under team and cost control for 8 years. If the Magic consider moving him it’s only for a great basketball player.

[pepe1991]

Guards I’d be willing to consider including AB:
Shai
Luka does he count?
Mitchell
Halliburton
Curry
Edwards
Barnes
Trae
Maxey
Booker
Jamal Murray…not positive, he’s kind of the right guy for this team, but overall I don’t value as much as these other guys.
Cade
Lamelo
Garland I think…
I guess Brunson too.


If they are good and not on here they are too old or too expensive and likely both. Black is still under 8 years of cost controlled years. No on Scoot and Jalen Green

You joking, right?

Anthony Black is rookie who averages 5 ppg as not point guard and gets DNP-CDs on regular bases on fringe playoff team on East.

Most people you mentioned are allstars, several players you mentioned are on tragjectory to become best players in basketball

I didn’t say trade straight up. I said those are the only guys I’d consider moving AB in a trade for. The overwhelming majority are not available….in all likelihood AB is unavailable.

AB just turned 20 and is going to be a very good NBA player and is under team and cost control for 8 years. If the Magic consider moving him it’s only for a great basketball player.

Straight up trade calls would go viral for being laughed out at.
And vast majority of players you mentioned are well established star players that would require whole bunch of first round picks AND Franz AND Black to get.

It's like saying it's 2015 and list of playres you are willing to trade Gordon are Lebron, Steph, Harden and Davis. Sure, wishes are one thing, reality is whole another.

AB is young, but right now we can't even consider him point guard. He is just body we put on because of his draft stock . Most of the time he in invisible.

[eyriq]

I'll only be disappointed if they bust out or if we bury them! Honestly, I really only believe in AB and Suggs, Jett can kick rocks but we've invested in him so it is what it is.

AB has done well next to Suggs which is why I'm "optimistic".

I just think it's possible to do both. Retain and continue to develop Suggs and Black (and maybe Jett), while also acquiring better veterans than Fultz, Gary and Ingles.

In a perfect world, Fultz and Gary and Ingles and maybe even Cole are all not on this team next year.

How about...

Fultz, Gary and Chuma all walk. Ingles not retained.

Cole traded for forward depth.

Sign Tyus Jones and Grayson Allen in free agency.

9 man rotation

Jones/Allen/Franz/Paolo/WCJ
Black/Suggs/Isaac/Moritz

G: Jones 28 MPG, Black 20 MPG
G: Allen 20 MPG, Suggs 28 MPG
F: Franz 33 MPG, Allen 10 MPG
F: Banchero 35 MPG, Isaac 13 MPG
C: Carter 28 MPG, Isaac 10 MPG, Moritz 10 MPG

Houstan and Howard aren't in the mix, but could shoot their way into it.

That would be a heck of a team. Nicely done

[Skybox]

I'll only be disappointed if they bust out or if we bury them! Honestly, I really only believe in AB and Suggs, Jett can kick rocks but we've invested in him so it is what it is.

AB has done well next to Suggs which is why I'm "optimistic".

I just think it's possible to do both. Retain and continue to develop Suggs and Black (and maybe Jett), while also acquiring better veterans than Fultz, Gary and Ingles.

In a perfect world, Fultz and Gary and Ingles and maybe even Cole are all not on this team next year.

How about...

Fultz, Gary and Chuma all walk. Ingles not retained.

Cole traded for forward depth.

Sign Tyus Jones and Grayson Allen in free agency.

9 man rotation

Jones/Allen/Franz/Paolo/WCJ
Black/Suggs/Isaac/Moritz

G: Jones 28 MPG, Black 20 MPG
G: Allen 20 MPG, Suggs 28 MPG
F: Franz 33 MPG, Allen 10 MPG
F: Banchero 35 MPG, Isaac 13 MPG
C: Carter 28 MPG, Isaac 10 MPG, Moritz 10 MPG

Houstan and Howard aren't in the mix, but could shoot their way into it.

That would be a heck of a team. Nicely done

Black and Suggs to the bench...where are the pitchforks?

I hope we aim even higher, but those two would definitely be an improvement. I like Suggs getting big minutes off the bench too...this would definitely be an opportunity for Allen and Jones to spread their wings...great showcase for both to show what their ceilings are. Both are solid and primarily efficient...maybe they've each got another gear with the right opportunity.

[jonbob17]

Straight up trade calls would go viral for being laughed out at.
And vast majority of players you mentioned are well established star players that would require whole bunch of first round picks AND Franz AND Black to get.

It's like saying it's 2015 and list of playres you are willing to trade Gordon are Lebron, Steph, Harden and Davis. Sure, wishes are one thing, reality is whole another.

AB is young, but right now we can't even consider him point guard. He is just body we put on because of his draft stock . Most of the time he in invisible.

I view Anthony Black’s upside like a young healthy Lonzo Ball. He’s not invisible he’s already a solid connector.

Lonzo plus Ingram and three first round picks for Anthony Davis. Now that was a huge trade, and the Lakers kind of had to make it because they needed player 1a to attract player 1b. Davis was 25 6 time all star, MVP candidate, probably viewed as the best young player in the game at the time.

I guess the recent Mitchell trade is a better indicator of value.
Lauri Markkanen who the previous year was traded for a lottery protected first, Sexton (Free agent) three firsts and two swaps.
And I think most people thought Ainge got the better of that deal.

Again the whole point was that we are not giving up Black for some average guard upgrade. Nobody is giving away young 6’6” guard who looks to be able to dribble, pass, and shoot with 8 years of team control for a mediocre player on a 2 year deal….and especially not the Magic

[eyriq]

I just think it's possible to do both. Retain and continue to develop Suggs and Black (and maybe Jett), while also acquiring better veterans than Fultz, Gary and Ingles.

In a perfect world, Fultz and Gary and Ingles and maybe even Cole are all not on this team next year.

How about...

Fultz, Gary and Chuma all walk. Ingles not retained.

Cole traded for forward depth.

Sign Tyus Jones and Grayson Allen in free agency.

9 man rotation

Jones/Allen/Franz/Paolo/WCJ
Black/Suggs/Isaac/Moritz

G: Jones 28 MPG, Black 20 MPG
G: Allen 20 MPG, Suggs 28 MPG
F: Franz 33 MPG, Allen 10 MPG
F: Banchero 35 MPG, Isaac 13 MPG
C: Carter 28 MPG, Isaac 10 MPG, Moritz 10 MPG

Houstan and Howard aren't in the mix, but could shoot their way into it.

That would be a heck of a team. Nicely done

Black and Suggs to the bench...where are the pitchforks?

I hope we aim even higher, but those two would definitely be an improvement. I like Suggs getting big minutes off the bench too...this would definitely be an opportunity for Allen and Jones to spread their wings...great showcase for both to show what their ceilings are. Both are solid and primarily efficient...maybe they've each got another gear with the right opportunity.

I'm just giving him credit for a good build. I'd prefer we start AB and Suggs though.

[JoshuaPotter]

The problem is you have a frontcourt that is set for idk, 10-12+ seasons?

One would say "we got time to find a backcourt", others would say "we got time to develop our court young backcourt" .

If the right pieces become available. You "find" your backcourt. The challenge is, which is right?

I am a homer and want it to be AB / Suggs backcourt. That isn't how life works though. Sometimes that high pick just ends up being a great roll player. I am fairly concerned about how AB hasn't "earned" minutes yet over Fultz. While somewhat understanding that he hasn't really done anything better then Cole who hasn't done well either.

Man watching this backcourt grow is hard.

[CocoaFan]

Well we gotta be careful right if we max him out even on a 2+1 that could possibly hamper our flexibility and get us closer to the tax apron. Like depending on what we do with Isaac we would be at 104M. Let’s say we give Goga 10M that puts us at 114M. Max for Klay would be like 48 I think. That would put us right below tax level with no other moves. I think we would be fine but it would definitely hamper flexibility. Matching salary flexibility for trades having players in the middle adding up to a big number is ideal (Harris and Cole).

So let’s say we do that at 48 for Klay and a PG making 30-40 comes available for trade. We would have to give up Isaac and Anthony if we let go of Harris which is likely just for salary to match and then after that trade we could be pushing aprons.

This is not say not to do it but if they don’t I think it will be because they want to keep flex open for 1 or 2 trades.

I agree with you, but I don't think Klay is getting anything close to a max though. Not even on a short-term deal.

I'd expect him to come in the $20-30M per year range, not $48M.

If the Magic gave Klay Thompson a contract of $20-$30M per season of any length they should be fired.

[AaronB]

Guards I’d be willing to consider including AB:
Shai
Luka does he count?
Mitchell
Halliburton
Curry
Edwards
Barnes
Trae
Maxey
Booker
Jamal Murray…not positive, he’s kind of the right guy for this team, but overall I don’t value as much as these other guys.
Cade
Lamelo
Garland I think…
I guess Brunson too.


If they are good and not on here they are too old or too expensive and likely both. Black is still under 8 years of cost controlled years. No on Scoot and Jalen Green

You joking, right?

Anthony Black is rookie who averages 5 ppg as not point guard and gets DNP-CDs on regular bases on fringe playoff team on East.

Most people you mentioned are allstars, several players you mentioned are on tragjectory to become best players in basketball

I am getting Deja Vu all over again.

How many thousands of words did Pepe use proclaiming Suggs could not, would not, will not ever be even an average NBA shooter. 10 thousand? 20 thousand?

Very poor track record in assessing young player abilities.

[RookieStar]

Ok hear me out....

This is probably full of lolz BUT...

Trade for Rudy Gobert!! Only 2 years left on his contract right? A legit 7'2 so we dont have to worry about the behemotha of the league like Embiid Jokic etc. He blocks shots which we have been clamoring for so long, he rebounds well... he intimidates drivers. Plus he is a lob threat.

MIN is in that apron string zone so they need to shed salary right?

[MasterGMer]

Grayson Allen would be fantastic since he will be an UFA. But I also think there will be a lot of teams pursuing him, especially contenders.

[eyriq]

Ok hear me out....

This is probably full of lolz BUT...

Trade for Rudy Gobert!! Only 2 years left on his contract right? A legit 7'2 so we dont have to worry about the behemotha of the league like Embiid Jokic etc. He blocks shots which we have been clamoring for so long, he rebounds well... he intimidates drivers. Plus he is a lob threat.

MIN is in that apron string zone so they need to shed salary right?

It's not crazy! I'd rather have Claxton.

[SOUL]

Minny didn't trade all that stuff for Gobert just to ship him to the Magic.

[RookieStar]

Minny didn't trade all that stuff for Gobert just to ship him to the Magic.

Can they keep KAT Ant Gobert McD and etc?

[pepe1991]

Straight up trade calls would go viral for being laughed out at.
And vast majority of players you mentioned are well established star players that would require whole bunch of first round picks AND Franz AND Black to get.

It's like saying it's 2015 and list of playres you are willing to trade Gordon are Lebron, Steph, Harden and Davis. Sure, wishes are one thing, reality is whole another.

AB is young, but right now we can't even consider him point guard. He is just body we put on because of his draft stock . Most of the time he in invisible.

I view Anthony Black’s upside like a young healthy Lonzo Ball. He’s not invisible he’s already a solid connector.

Lonzo plus Ingram and three first round picks for Anthony Davis. Now that was a huge trade, and the Lakers kind of had to make it because they needed player 1a to attract player 1b. Davis was 25 6 time all star, MVP candidate, probably viewed as the best young player in the game at the time.

I guess the recent Mitchell trade is a better indicator of value.
Lauri Markkanen who the previous year was traded for a lottery protected first, Sexton (Free agent) three firsts and two swaps.
And I think most people thought Ainge got the better of that deal.

Again the whole point was that we are not giving up Black for some average guard upgrade. Nobody is giving away young 6’6” guard who looks to be able to dribble, pass, and shoot with 8 years of team control for a mediocre player on a 2 year deal….and especially not the Magic

Lonzo Ball was best pure playmaker at college level that year, by far.
Guy had 7,6 assists a game and was best player of UCLA team that went 31-5.
He arived in nba with serious conversation about being 1# pick, he ended up going second and as a rookie, despite shooting bricks ,he averaged 7,2 assists a game on 2,6 turnovers on a team that went 35-47.
So, as a rookie, Lonzo was top 10 in assists in a league.


Anthony Black in his rookie year averages 4,9 ppg ,1,5 assists and 2 rebounds.
In 22 out of 50 games he contributed with less than 3 points.
In 30 out of 50 games he contributed with less than 2 assists ( "playmaker")
In 31 out of 50 games he contributed with less than 2 rebounds.

His real plus minus on court is -59.

He is team's project and nobody cares about his rookie contribution, becaues he is rookie. But that doesn't change fact he, today, hardly ever does anything.

Again the whole point was that we are not giving up Black for some average guard upgrade

I don't think anybody here argued that, it's just your list that you put, with allstar, superstars , best players in nba that you put that is awkward.
Black does not hold that value, he wasn't even top 5 pick ( unlike Lonzo, Ingram, you mentioned) nor he is lighting it up in a rookie year where anybody would consider him quaterstone for their potential rebuild, if they are trading players you named.



Anthony Davis trade should be taken with grain of salt.
Anthony Davis wanted to go to LAL because of staged divorce directed by his agent, to join his friend. Lot of belive Clutch sports is nothing but Lebron's exstended hand. Pelicans recovered lot of value for him, because he was ( and still is ) one of best nba players out there, and was entering his prime. But trades like that don't happen in nba often and when they do, it's big time players leaving small market teams, not going to small(er) market teams.

Nobody is giving away young 6’6” guard who looks to be able to dribble, pass, and shoot

Yea... But all of that for Black today is just theoretical.
He doesn't even handle the ball.
He averages 1,5 assist a game , at college he averaged 3,9 on 3 turnovers.
He shoots 37% for 3 , but only 24 threes made during 50 games. He also shoots 65% FTs and 30% from mid range on ultra small sample.


Bigger problem with Jett and Black is notion that in their year two, team should seek improvments at their positions, as they simply aren't ready to contribute. And you have two lottery picks at the end of a bench without role to play. In that case they are way more valuable as trade assets than players. Because perception of them will change fast. For same reason why we don't talk here "hey, let's get Kira Lewis & Okorro, they are hidden elite gems from lottery from three years ago" , other GMs won't see them as such.

Jett's case is even worst. He was overdrafted and massive reach for no reason. Year one non existing on nba roster proves it.

[drsd]

Bigger problem with Jett and Black is notion that in their year two, team should seek improvments at their positions, as they simply aren't ready to contribute. And you have two lottery picks at the end of a bench without role to play. In that case they are way more valuable as trade assets than players. Because perception of them will change fast. For same reason why we don't talk here "hey, let's get Kira Lewis & Okorro, they are hidden elite gems from lottery from three years ago" , other GMs won't see them as such.

Jett's case is even worst. He was overdrafted and massive reach for no reason. Year one non existing on nba roster proves it.

And-1

There is an interesting story today.yesterday about the Clippers trading for George. It was the correct move, but trading Gilgeous-Alexander certainly changed the Thunders' future.

If the Magic are going to get a superstar guard, the trade pack will include Black, Howard, and draft assets. And it would be a good trade for Orlando.

As a thought experiment, think to oneself what it would take to acquire Trae Young. SnT of Fultz, contract-activated Isaac, Black, Howard, and three FRPs. Not even sure that is enough of a package. But 100%: Black would be part of such a trade.

[pepe1991]

Bigger problem with Jett and Black is notion that in their year two, team should seek improvments at their positions, as they simply aren't ready to contribute. And you have two lottery picks at the end of a bench without role to play. In that case they are way more valuable as trade assets than players. Because perception of them will change fast. For same reason why we don't talk here "hey, let's get Kira Lewis & Okorro, they are hidden elite gems from lottery from three years ago" , other GMs won't see them as such.

Jett's case is even worst. He was overdrafted and massive reach for no reason. Year one non existing on nba roster proves it.

And-1

There is an interesting story today.yesterday about the Clippers trading for George. It was the correct move, but trading Gilgeous-Alexander certainly changed the Thunders' future.

If the Magic are going to get a superstar guard, the trade pack will include Black, Howard, and draft assets. And it would be a good trade for Orlando.

As a thought experiment, think to oneself what it would take to acquire Trae Young. SnT of Fultz, contract-activated Isaac, Black, Howard, and three FRPs. Not even sure that is enough of a package. But 100%: Black would be part of such a trade.

Presti targeted SGA specifically for very good reason.
SGA, as a rookie, in playoff series against Warriors averaged 14 points ,3 rebounds, 3 assists on 47% FG, 50% for 3 and 85% FT. (including 25 points game and 22 points game against prime KD; Steph, Klay, Green, right before two out of 4 of them have near career ending injuries ,weeks after that ).

Before that, when Clippers went on 13-2 run right before playoffs, he averaged 14 - 4,5 (assists) -3,5 rebounds on 52% FG, 59% for 3.

Maybe he flew slightly below league's radar because in same year Luka , Trae, Jaren Jackson were all rookies as well and he ended up on all nba second rookie team.



I always wonder what GMs prefer more, houl of picks or already drafted ( young players). Taking two lottery selected players. Is that more attractive than two top 5 protected picks in future?

[p0peye]

Pepe is a hater.

That being sad, I would keep AB and Jett until we can trade them for prime Michael Jordan. We only have to add perhaps a pick to get a 91-93' version, otherwise we probably get stuck with 95-98 or god forbid Wizards versions. MJ would be a primary ball handler and would compliment Suggs well and space the floor for Fultz.