Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Edition)

[MoMM]

Say Jameer leaves J rich is traded to Utah or someone for a TPE and JJ is waived/traded


that leaves Orlando with like 43 mill in cap could they sign D Will to a max deal?

D Will
Use the mid level on a SG or sign and trade Anderson for one
Hedo
Big Baby
Dwight

I dont think its possible.

We would have to let Ryan go to sign another MAX and we wouldnt have MLE cuz we would be already under the cap. Besides i think we would have to renounce Clark, Orton and Wafer rights and trade ou r pick to have a chance to sign Deron.

Deron's max salary if not resigned by the Nets: 16,359M + 4,5% = 17,095M.

teams under the cap are eligible for an mle of 2years at 2 some odd million dollars. And so what if we let Ryan go? He isn't a corneratone or a player that geta US over the hump. If you have a chance to sign dwill you open the door for Ryan and thank him for his services.

Thats the LLE, right? Not MLE.

As for letting Ryan go, i wasnt saying its a bad option, i was just saying that The-Dawson's idea for our SG spot is not possible, because we would have to let Ryan go (no SnT) and we wouldnt have MLE to sign a better SG.

[deanwoof]

that's the Magic's MLE under the new CBA.

Teams with cap room, previously ineligible for the MLE, have a new MLE of $2.5 million with a two-year duration.

[MoMM]

that's the Magic's MLE under the new CBA.

Teams with cap room, previously ineligible for the MLE, have a new MLE of $2.5 million with a two-year duration.

Hmmmm, nice.

And the LLE? Does It still exist?

[thelead]

SVG and Otis are still employed?

Came here to say the same thing what the hell are they doing right now?

[darthmerrick]

Nelson opting out is huge. If we could package our 1st round pick with Hedo to a team with cap room for a TPE is a game changer as that puts us in the race for Deron. Trading Turk + the Pick(might take a 2014 pick as well), declining options on JJ, Wafer, Orton (already done), Earl (opting out), and renouncing rights on Ryan Anderson puts us at $35 million. The current salary cap is 58 million with an expectant rise in 2013. That means we would have 23 to 25 million in salary cap room to land Deron Williams. If he comes at 19 million. That leaves us 4 million for a Gerald Wallace type player and a 2.5 million MLE to offer as well.
Would people be okay with Renouncing Ryan Anderson, JJ Reddick and getting rid of Turk via picks plan for Deron Williams? I'm okay with showing them all the door to land Deron.
Nine man rotation:
PG Deron Williams/Chris Duhon
SG Jason Richardson/Liggens (I didn't renounce him)
SF Gerald Wallace/Q.Richardson
PF Big Baby/Fran Vasquez
C Dwight Howard/Fran Vasquez

Back up plan would be to sign Nash to a one year deal if Deron chooses Dallas then go after Chris Paul or Monta Ellis in 2014.

[MoMM]

Trading Hedo+1st for TPE would be really good, but i dont think anyone would accept this deal. Hedo's contract is so bad.

[darthmerrick]

Trading Hedo+1st for TPE would be really good, but i dont think anyone would accept this deal. Hedo's contract is so bad.

He's got two years left on his deal. A team like the Kings, Bobcats who are really under the cap could absorb him while getting a 1st round pick or two from us and if they still have their amnesty, it's not a bad deal at all for them.

They wait a year when he's a large expiring and they could flip him for more picks.

[p0peye]

Trading Hedo+1st for TPE would be really good, but i dont think anyone would accept this deal. Hedo's contract is so bad.

Well, considering that it is partially guaranteed for $6M in 2013/14, one can get much worse contracts than his now.

[MoMM]

Trading Hedo+1st for TPE would be really good, but i dont think anyone would accept this deal. Hedo's contract is so bad.

He's got two years left on his deal. A team like the Kings, Bobcats who are really under the cap could absorb him while getting a 1st round pick or two from us and if they still have their amnesty, it's not a bad deal at all for them.

They wait a year when he's a large expiring and they could flip him for more picks.

They can't amnesty him.

[blue and white]

Trading Hedo+1st for TPE would be really good, but i dont think anyone would accept this deal. Hedo's contract is so bad.

Well, considering that it is partially guaranteed for $6M in 2013/14, one can get much worse contracts than his now.

exactly his contract isnt the worst in the league. if you give a team who needs a lazy player to take up cap space and will end next year in 6mil and can help you tank, hes perfect. all while getting a 1st from us in a deep draft and you can send like 4mil cash to help pay for his buyout. teams need to spend money to meet cap restrictions so a player like hedo can be very helpful

[darthmerrick]

Trading Hedo+1st for TPE would be really good, but i dont think anyone would accept this deal. Hedo's contract is so bad.

He's got two years left on his deal. A team like the Kings, Bobcats who are really under the cap could absorb him while getting a 1st round pick or two from us and if they still have their amnesty, it's not a bad deal at all for them.

They wait a year when he's a large expiring and they could flip him for more picks.

They can't amnesty him.

Oh.

But it's still a good idea if your a team boderline on the league minimum salary. You get a pick or two from Orlando and then get a reduced salary in 2013-2014 as said above and can flip him for an additional pick and veteran.

[deanwoof]

Orlando is going to need that draft pick IMO and sadly Hedo if they want to be competitive after 'gutting' the roster to make room for a max player.

FA PG / Duhon
JRich / Liggens
Hedo / MLE / QRich
BBD / 2012 pick
Dwight / FA Pickup

If you sub out Hedo and the pick, you only have a team that's only 5-6 players deep. Hedo and 2012 give you 7-8 players.

[thelead]

DWill would be a hell of a poker player if he came here. Everything that I've seen from him says Brooklyn or Dallas. He shut down any talks of wanting to play in Orlando rather quickly.

[MagicHolland]

Even though it really looks like we're in a bad position to make improvements, it's not impossible. There's a few options that I think should be explored that actually have a chance of happening, nothing groundbreaking but it could put us in a better situation in both scenarios, with Dwight and without Dwight.

The most important thing to me is that the Magic needs to start making choices. Make sure that the right people are in place to make solid decisions, don't go into another season where we have made small moves and another season of Dwight drama..

I wouldn't mind seeing us go in an entirely different direction, rather with Dwight, but we'll be okay without him if he doesn't want to be here..

[MagicHolland]

DWill would be a hell of a poker player if he came here. Everything that I've seen from him says Brooklyn or Dallas. He shut down any talks of wanting to play in Orlando rather quickly.

Well nobody expects us to have the capspace to land Deron.. And that's still a long shot..

[Def Swami]

The most important thing to me is that the Magic needs to start making choices. Make sure that the right people are in place to make solid decisions, don't go into another season where we have made small moves and another season of Dwight drama..

+1

[NEM]

Question...

When we stretch a player, does said player remain on the roster, or is it like amnestying him?

[MoMM]

Question...

When we stretch a player, does said player remain on the roster, or is it like amnestying him?

I'm not 100% sure, but i think it's like amnestying him.

[Bensational]

I am taking the viewpoint of the team, as I am a fan of the Orlando Magic first and foremost.

As such, if I am committing myself (speaking as ownership again) to making changes, then I need to know if my biggest asset to make changes is staying or going. I've already "fired" my son-in-law from the COO (I think that's right) position. Next I am about to fire my GM/PBO. I've already started to make changes.

but the thing is that this isn't a negotiation between two parties on the same page. for the Magic FO to take a hardline stance with Dwight, they are making the negotiation process harder - so you have to take a moment to stop and think about it from Dwight's perspective. if the Magic aren't offering anything that interests him, then we risk losing him.

it's nothing to do with picking player over team, it's do to with finding common ground fast enough to get the player back on the team. why do you think i'm arguing that the Magic should go ahead and make wholesale changes? because i want Dwight to stay here.

I would prefer that D12 stay and we build around him. But I can't wait until mid-season to see how feels about the matter. What if I do everything in my power to placate him and he still doesn't want to stay? How many future seasons have I potentially damaged because of not getting a commitment.

People on this board are always talking about fiscal responsibility and the need to be forward looking. Well, to me, this is an exact definition of that matter. This is more than giving JRich a 4 year deal. This potentially signing several guys for a player that won't be around for more than 1/2 a season.

that depends on the team's plan of action. i've said numerous times that if the team positions itself to target cap space next season, or if they acquire players like Smith/Monta/Iggy who all have expiring contracts next season, then we upgrade whilst remaining flexible to either:

a) continue making changes around Dwight if he stays.

b) have the freedom to sign several of the top tier FAs next season and reload without Dwight.

i honestly don't think any of the packages being offered for Dwight, short of this year's #1 pick, are better value than the host of players we could potentially sign next summer. why waste time trading him for lesser value and losing all hope of resigning him when we could just stay the course for brighter prospects regardless of what Dwight does. it's in the best interest of the team.

[The1llness]

According to Hoopshype the Magic's payroll next year looks like this (although they don't show Jameer and JJ's options)

Howard 19,261,200
Turkoglu 11,400,000
Nelson 7,888,888 (P)
Redick 6,000,000 (T)
Davis 6,400,000
J. Richardson 5,799,625
Duhon 3,680,000
Q. Richardson 2,627,400
Anderson 3,234,468 (QO)
Clark 1,254,000 (P)
Orton 1,182,600 (T)
Wafer 1,069,509 (T)
Harper 762,195


Grand Total: $70,559,885

If Jameer opts out, the team declines the option on Redick, Wafer & Orton, renounces the rights to Anderson & manages to find a suitor for Turkoglu and assuming Clark does not opt out this leaves the Magic with 7 players making a total of $39,784,420. Add in around 1.5 million for their draft pick to make it 8 players and another 2 million cap hold for the empty roster spots and the Magic are looking at a little over 43 million payroll.

At this point, with only a 66 game season, I can't see how the NBA will make enough revenue to justify raising the cap more than 500k.

So if the cap is 58.5m than the Magic will have around 15 million to give Deron as a starting salary which is only 2.5m less than what the Nets can give him as a starting salary.