Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15

Husky1 · Post #941 » by **Husky1** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:43 pm

Quickly looks amazing smh add him to the list we passed on

johanliebert · Post #942 » by **johanliebert** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:14 pm

Husky1 wrote:Quickly looks amazing smh add him to the list we passed on

Cole looks like the better player with a higher ceiling.

mrtcsm · Post #943 » by **mrtcsm** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:18 pm

Yup. He is plain turrible (Chuck’s voice).

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #944 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:11 pm

Draft a small PG that doesn’t have 1 elite skill. What could go wrong rofl.

pepe1991 · Post #945 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:35 pm

johanliebert wrote:
Husky1 wrote:Quickly looks amazing smh add him to the list we passed on

Cole looks like the better player with a higher ceiling.

Who? J Cole? :lol:

No s** J cole probably can play better than Cole Anthony anyway.

ffs passing on Bey and Maxey to draft this noob.

pepe1991 · Post #946 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:45 pm

MoMM wrote:Except for in-game shooting, he is doing good in everything else. I expect that at some point he will click the shooting part.

Playmaking is non existing. He flat out doesn't read anything on offense when he sets players. He just does not have advanced BBIQ to be playmaker in nba. Most of his reads are flat out wrong.

Look at this.
First he runs inside 5 men because he is impatient. Than he has LEFT HANDED LAYUP that would be WAAAAY harded to block because iron protects ball from Mitchell to go over it, OR he can make very easy corner pass to Birch. But notice one thing, he doesn't even look at passing options, just does fake off dribble and dribbles to right hand, right into Mitchell freaking Robinson.

Simply poor BBIQ and complete lack of of understanding what's possible and what is not. This is 6'1 Hezonja. You can't teach player how to not be dumb as bricks.

IllMagic04 · Post #947 » by **IllMagic04** » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:00 pm

Anyone ready to call bust this early is looney. With that said I will admit Im stunned by what Ive seen so far. My expectations for him was a guy that could come off the bench and get buckets. So I thought I see flashes of that. So far hes been an absolute brick layer. Its very discouraging seeing wide open looks be not even close. I also expected alot of bad shots but honestly Im not seeing alot of bad shots from the perimiter. They are just bricks. If anything because hes shooting so badly hes a bit gun shy now. The floaters arent bad shot technically but he just sucks at them right now. Im seeing some flashes of PG skills and playmaking which I was not expecting at all in his rookie season. I expected him to give me very little defensivly. Instead Im quite impressed with his defense. He has been the literal the opposite of what I was expecting.

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Post #948 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:19 pm

Especially this year, you'll have to wake me up by the end of next season for me to start worrying about Cole Anthony or Chuma Okeke.

He's been bad so far. No doubt about it. You can hear and feel the frustration in Vucevic, Gordon, and Ross's voice and games by the absence of competent point guard. He has also had one whole practice since the start of the season (because the first Celtics game was postponed).

Zach Lowe commented on this during his last Lowe Post podcast. Coaches around the league have been frustrated by the lack of practice time and shoot arounds. And it has particularly affected rookies most, who coaches around the league have admitted as "having no clue what they're doing." That's what we see in Anthony. And there's not the usual time for film sessions, practices, and shoot arounds to help him along.

I've been beating this drum, but this is a throw-away season for most teams in the league. Even more so given that half the team is hurt. The Magic should be using this time to help develop Anthony and Bamba. Get these guys ready for the '21-'22 season or make a determination on whether we need to move on in Bamba's case.

If Anthony is still this bad by the end of the '21-'22 season, then sure. Count me as concerned. But, it's way too early given the circumstances to really care.

VFX · Post #949 » by **VFX** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:04 pm

Def Swami wrote:Especially this year, you'll have to wake me up by the end of next season for me to start worrying about Cole Anthony or Chuma Okeke.

He's been bad so far. No doubt about it. You can hear and feel the frustration in Vucevic, Gordon, and Ross's voice and games by the absence of competent point guard. He has also had one whole practice since the start of the season (because the first Celtics game was postponed).

Zach Lowe commented on this during his last Lowe Post podcast. Coaches around the league have been frustrated by the lack of practice time and shoot arounds. And it has particularly affected rookies most, who coaches around the league have admitted as "having no clue what they're doing." That's what we see in Anthony. And there's not the usual time for film sessions, practices, and shoot arounds to help him along.

I've been beating this drum, but this is a throw-away season for most teams in the league. Even more so given that half the team is hurt. The Magic should be using this time to help develop Anthony and Bamba. Get these guys ready for the '21-'22 season or make a determination on whether we need to move on in Bamba's case.

If Anthony is still this bad by the end of the '21-'22 season, then sure. Count me as concerned. But, it's way too early given the circumstances to really care.

I agree with this.

The jury is out still on Cole and Okeke. It will be for at least another season. They should be getting a healthy amount of minutes in a throw away season. There is no reason not to.

This is it for Bamba. He should be getting decent minutes to see where he’s at. If not, he should be added in a trade with some other vets.

I was never sold on Cole Anthony, as being a starting level pg, at any juncture. He’s basically an undersized SG that lacks the ability to make decisions, to run an offense effectively, while not being big enough to guard wings. None of that equals “starter” on paper, regardless of how he progresses. Why? Because none of that description has anything to do with a skill set. That being said, he might be determined enough to be a very capable backup pg against second units.

This is a tank year regardless of what anyone claims. Throw the young guns out there and get them some experience. There’s no reason to lean on the vets attempting to squeeze out wins that will do ultimately nothing but impede odds at landing much needed talent.

Optimus_Steel · Post #950 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:03 pm

Cole has been absolutely terrible aside from some flashes. But anyone calling him a bust already is being way to premature.

Husky1 · Post #951 » by **Husky1** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:07 pm

Im less worried as shots not broken at all, he's missing some absolute gimmes at the rim which you can tell he's angry about. A lot of his shots are in and out, they will start to drop. Im relatively happy with his defence and tenacity on that end. Will be so much better when he's back in a back up role. But from here, he better start and play 30 plus minutes every night as well as Okeke and Bamba. I never want to see Clark/Ennis get meaningful minutes again.

Skin · Post #952 » by **Skin** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:08 pm

Cole is ****. He's done nothing to soothe my anger of selecting him on draft day. It was a crapshoot at 15, but damn it sucks that we have the worst front office in sports. Did you guys see Maxey?

Watch on YouTube

Sixers didn't stop there.. we knew Isaiah Joe was a shooter and was one of the many guys we talked about in Round 2. Picked 49 and he looks way better than anything we got. Too bad we gave away pick 45. Lolz

KillMonger · Post #953 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:15 pm

some of you....... i swear lol

PrimeThyme · Post #954 » by **PrimeThyme** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:20 pm

Yeah, I mean he's exactly what I thought he would be. Exactly what he was in college. Turnovers and common young guard mistakes are easy enough to write off, but struggling to create good looks for himself and the inability to beat guys with his handle of the dribble is not. Players don't really learn to do that once they're in the league.

That to me is a glaring red flag, && is why I can confidently say at this stage that it was still the wrong pick. I'll certainly remain hopeful that he can overcome some of these shortcomings, but I've seen nothing to suggest that he will.

thelead · Post #955 » by **thelead** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:24 pm

Anyone know what his 3pt percentage at HS was? I'm not sure that this kid can shoot efficiently.

Xatticus · Post #956 » by **Xatticus** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:58 pm

thelead wrote:Anyone know what his 3pt percentage at HS was? I'm not sure that this kid can shoot efficiently.

Nobody really knows. His HS stats were doctored.

It doesn't much matter though. We know he isn't a special shooter. I think he will be fine at the defensive end and his rebounding seems to be of legitimate value. He won't be able to guard anything but point guards. I don't think he will ever be useful at the offensive end. He will score because he will take more shots than he should ever be permitted to, but he will hurt you in doing so. He sees nothing. He is like Fournier. He'll only pass if he can't get a shot up. He looks like someone that has spent his entire life learning skills by playing one on one, but he lacks the physical tools to excel in that regard against high-end competition. I think he would frustrate as a prospect even if he had superior physical tools. He doesn't have a five-on-five brain.

Skin · Post #957 » by **Skin** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:03 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:Yeah, I mean he's exactly what I thought he would be. Exactly what he was in college. Turnovers and common young guard mistakes are easy enough to write off, but struggling to create good looks for himself and the inability to beat guys with his handle of the dribble is not. Players don't really learn to do that once they're in the league.

That to me is a glaring red flag, && is why I can confidently say at this stage that it was still the wrong pick. I'll certainly remain hopeful that he can overcome some of these shortcomings, but I've seen nothing to suggest that he will.

Lead the worst UNC team under Roy as well.

Low BBIQ, bad decision maker, chucker, short height, short arms, can't shoot, lacks vision, bad shooting form, lacks self awareness, slow feet, worst defender on the team by far... but he looks like the predator so that's hopeful.

MagicFan4Lyfe · Post #958 » by **MagicFan4Lyfe** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:20 pm

This thread gets more and more depressing.

Does Weltman have nudes of Alex Martins and ownership? Why else would they keep these idiots still running the franchise?

pepe1991 · Post #959 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:38 pm

Tbh he reminds me of 6'1 version of Hezonja.
He seems to be incapable of making right basketball decision no matter what.

basketballRob · Post #960 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:40 pm

MagicFan4Lyfe wrote:This thread gets more and more depressing.

Does Weltman have nudes of Alex Martins and ownership? Why else would they keep these idiots still running the franchise?

The Magic aren't going to spend any extra money. Weham and Cliff have contracts thru next year. I think they have until midseason next season, at the very least.

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