When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

Optimus_Steel · Post #941 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:03 pm

Really annoying how the Magic keep info away from the fans. It was obvious something happened and they refused to say anything until now. Now you start to wonder if he ever steps on the court again for the Magic. Have to operate like he is not part of this team.

Bergmaniac · Post #942 » by **Bergmaniac** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:06 pm

"Minor injury" in Weltman speak means he's out until September 2023 if we are lucky.

Optimus_Steel · Post #943 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:07 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:"Minor injury" in Weltman speak means he's out until September 2023 if we are lucky.

Wetlman conversion: Minor injury = retirement

:lol:

He can have more time to write books.

PrimeThyme · Post #944 » by **PrimeThyme** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:10 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:"Minor injury" in Weltman speak means he's out until September 2023 if we are lucky.

I wouldn’t buy a single second of it. Shams apparently had a now deleted tweet saying that Isaac outright had surgery. Pretty sure it forced the organization to come out with a press release saying he actually had one but made sure to state that it was “minor”.

Minor soft tissue injures generally heal with rest. I have a bad feeling that this was another major injury.

MoMM · Post #945 » by **MoMM** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:15 pm

So our "best player" won't be back? :lol:

MagicStarwipe · Post #946 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:27 pm

Surgery? For a hamstring?

Flannerz · Post #947 » by **Flannerz** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:28 pm

Post #948 » by **ChosenSavior** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:35 pm

I merged your thread Prime to this one since this "new discovery" was being discussed in this thread.

As for all of this, if he ever comes back and actually produces for the Magic, it'll be a bonus. Seems like Isaac and the Magic for that matter just can't catch a break.

LDNMagic90 · Post #949 » by **LDNMagic90** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:42 pm

It has to be a tear if he is going for surgery for his hamstring, I've had a few hamstring injuries like pulls and strains and not once have I had to have surgery on them. It's a bit weird, like what PrimeThyme said I think the FO were prompted into releasing the statement because of what Shams tweeted and deleted. It can't be that minor if you are going into surgery.

For Isaac I really hope he can recover from his setbacks because it must be frustrating for someone that is young, going through so many injuries already. I mean this not as a fan of the team, but as someone that hates seeing players get injured.

pepe1991 · Post #950 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:52 pm

No setbacks crew has to feel pretty dumb now

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #951 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:55 pm

This sucks but now it makes sense with he said that he isn’t able to run up and down the court. Hope he gets stronger and better.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #952 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:55 pm

How can you count on this player for a full NBA season? I love Isaac, but he is made of glass. I'm ready to be done with him. But who would trade for a guy who hasnt played in 2 years

drsd · Post #953 » by **drsd** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:00 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:Surgery? For a hamstring?

If this was something like a needle aspiration, then I can understand it as a "small procedure". But that means there was a cyst or lump, or fluid buildup of some sort. It is widely used in inflammatory conditions. So maybe they were bloodletting a deep bruise.

Ralof · Post #954 » by **Ralof** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:13 pm

piss me off way more how they"control"informations about injuries that injuries theirself.

nba franchises have a problem about that,in general

Xatticus · Post #955 » by **Xatticus** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:17 pm

LDNMagic90 wrote:It has to be a tear if he is going for surgery for his hamstring, I've had a few hamstring injuries like pulls and strains and not once have I had to have surgery on them. It's a bit weird, like what PrimeThyme said I think the FO were prompted into releasing the statement because of what Shams tweeted and deleted. It can't be that minor if you are going into surgery.

For Isaac I really hope he can recover from his setbacks because it must be frustrating for someone that is young, going through so many injuries already. I mean this not as a fan of the team, but as someone that hates seeing players get injured.

Pulls and strains are tears as well. I think we have all been there. My brother had a pretty substantial one that turned the entire back of his thigh purple, but even that didn't require surgery. Even still, you might write this off if it were anyone other than Isaac. He has already had issues building up the strength in his leg. Surely this is going to impede his ability to regain that strength.

I don't blame injuries. They happen. That's never been the issue for me. My criticisms have always been aimed at the front office for the lack of information. Hopefully this is an indication of change, but it's also quite possible that this information isn't announced if someone outside of the organization doesn't get word of it. How does Shams get wind of information like this before the guys that actually cover the Magic?

pepe1991 · Post #956 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:25 pm

No such thing as " minor hamstring surgery".
Weltman is full of *** as usal. HIm and Hammond striked golden goose with Magic. No expetations, don't even need to report what's going on. 5 years with negative record, zero expetations to do anything in next 3.
Stealing money for at least 8 years until somebody finally wakes up and fires them. Or they decided they collected enough money for comfortable retirment. PRobably second is more realistic.

LDNMagic90 · Post #957 » by **LDNMagic90** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:27 pm

Xatticus wrote:
LDNMagic90 wrote:It has to be a tear if he is going for surgery for his hamstring, I've had a few hamstring injuries like pulls and strains and not once have I had to have surgery on them. It's a bit weird, like what PrimeThyme said I think the FO were prompted into releasing the statement because of what Shams tweeted and deleted. It can't be that minor if you are going into surgery.

For Isaac I really hope he can recover from his setbacks because it must be frustrating for someone that is young, going through so many injuries already. I mean this not as a fan of the team, but as someone that hates seeing players get injured.

Pulls and strains are tears as well. I think we have all been there. My brother had a pretty substantial one that turned the entire back of his thigh purple, but even that didn't require surgery. Even still, you might write this off if it were anyone other than Isaac. He has already had issues building up the strength in his leg. Surely this is going to impede his ability to regain that strength.

I don't blame injuries. They happen. That's never been the issue for me. My criticisms have always been aimed at the front office for the lack of information. Hopefully this is an indication of change, but it's also quite possible that this information isn't announced if someone outside of the organization doesn't get word of it. How does Shams get wind of information like this before the guys that actually cover the Magic?

I feel a bit dumb now :lol:

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But yeah I totally agree with the communication side of things from our FO. It really annoys me, especially if I see other teams being open with their fans on player injuries.

Also, does anyone know if we have changed our strength and conditioning department/coaches? We have had so many injuries that I always wonder what type of training are these guys going through? What is their diet like etc. Surely if Isaac is ruled out for the season they could've eased his rehab process since he is not going to play till later in the year.

Magic_Kingdom · Post #958 » by **Magic_Kingdom** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:52 pm

As a few folks have said, hamstring injuries rarely require surgery, so if he had surgery it was likely a complete tear or "avulsion", where it actually pulled away from the bone.

Keep in mind that he suffered this injury without ever reaching the point of live action/full practice. This is obviously bad. And everyone who wasn't wearing Magic-colored glasses knew that there were problems behind the scenes. Nothing Weltman says means anything. He signed this injury-prone player to a $70-million contract while he was rehabbing a serious injury, likely with very little market competition. Weltman is going to lie his face off about this situation every time he is forced to answer for it (which is rarely).

PrimeThyme · Post #959 » by **PrimeThyme** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:00 pm

Weltman is a hack job parading around as someone who thinks he's the smartest basketball mind in the league.

I can't exactly blame people for buying into it, but as someone who has analyzed him closely dating all the way back to the "evaluation" days, I see through all the bs. I never bought any of this extended rehab or tank reasons bull for Isaac missing games.

Isaacs contract and the entire handling of this situation is a disaster, and so is most of Weltman's tenure outside of one trade that resulted in Franz Wagner and WCJ. I think that trade says more about the Bulls head of ops than it does Weltman, anyways.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #960 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:13 pm

pepe1991 wrote:No such thing as " minor hamstring surgery".
Weltman is full of *** as usal. HIm and Hammond striked golden goose with Magic. No expetations, don't even need to report what's going on. 5 years with negative record, zero expetations to do anything in next 3.
Stealing money for at least 8 years until somebody finally wakes up and fires them. Or they decided they collected enough money for comfortable retirment. PRobably second is more realistic.

Has to be the easiest FO job in the league, no expectations and no media pressure