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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#941 » by drsd » Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:16 am

KillMonger wrote:Just watched the game.... Jett is doing(albeit in the G league) what we drafted him to do.... He was drafted for his shooting/scoring ability not defense.... Crazy to see trevlin queen get minutes but jett can't find the floor because of defense.... I might be wrong but this game is like his 4th or 5th game straight hitting 4 or more 3s....i can't remember on the main squad not one player hitting 4 or more for multiple games

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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#942 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:35 pm

I keep thinking about this, and it's total conspiracy theory nonsense, but I'm going to throw it out here and probably get flamed for it...

What if Weltman drafted Jett as an overture to get Juwan to be their next coach, and Mosley knows it, so he won't let him play on the squad, using defense as the excuse?

I'd hate for that to be the case as it makes Mosely look petulant, but it makes some kind of sense as to why he got sent to the Gleague and has been kept there, even with injuries...
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#943 » by RookieStar » Sun Jan 28, 2024 9:00 pm

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:I keep thinking about this, and it's total conspiracy theory nonsense, but I'm going to throw it out here and probably get flamed for it...

What if Weltman drafted Jett as an overture to get Juwan to be their next coach, and Mosley knows it, so he won't let him play on the squad, using defense as the excuse?

I'd hate for that to be the case as it makes Mosely look petulant, but it makes some kind of sense as to why he got sent to the Gleague and has been kept there, even with injuries...


The thing with that is.... Juwan (for me) isn't even in the tier-1 of college basketball coaches, why would we even want him?
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#944 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:43 pm

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sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:I keep thinking about this, and it's total conspiracy theory nonsense, but I'm going to throw it out here and probably get flamed for it...

What if Weltman drafted Jett as an overture to get Juwan to be their next coach, and Mosley knows it, so he won't let him play on the squad, using defense as the excuse?

I'd hate for that to be the case as it makes Mosely look petulant, but it makes some kind of sense as to why he got sent to the Gleague and has been kept there, even with injuries...


The thing with that is.... Juwan (for me) isn't even in the tier-1 of college basketball coaches, why would we even want him?


I agree, and I love Mosley. Juan is a Michigan alumni and I believe their current coach. So it could be Devos maneuvering.

Jett as a pick in the first placed reeked of homerism, and I like the kid.

It just doesn't make logical sense why he stays unplayed and in the gleague when he does exactly what we need on offense.

Yes, I get all the players in front of him too, and we have time. The whole thing just seems off. It's like a sold 2nd rounder.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#945 » by RookieStar » Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:46 am

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:I keep thinking about this, and it's total conspiracy theory nonsense, but I'm going to throw it out here and probably get flamed for it...

What if Weltman drafted Jett as an overture to get Juwan to be their next coach, and Mosley knows it, so he won't let him play on the squad, using defense as the excuse?

I'd hate for that to be the case as it makes Mosely look petulant, but it makes some kind of sense as to why he got sent to the Gleague and has been kept there, even with injuries...


The thing with that is.... Juwan (for me) isn't even in the tier-1 of college basketball coaches, why would we even want him?


I agree, and I love Mosley. Juan is a Michigan alumni and I believe their current coach. So it could be Devos maneuvering.

Jett as a pick in the first placed reeked of homerism, and I like the kid.

It just doesn't make logical sense why he stays unplayed and in the gleague when he does exactly what we need on offense.

Yes, I get all the players in front of him too, and we have time. The whole thing just seems off. It's like a sold 2nd rounder.


Well the coaches must know something we don't.
I mean, we aren't tanking, we are trting to win every game. That means we use our best players.

If AB cant see PT with a healthy Fultz Suggs and Cole in the lineup, Goga cant play with a healthy WCJ and Moe... how can Jett squeeze in there with Suggs JI Franz and even Houstan there in front?
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Post#946 » by SOUL » Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:21 am

Juwan is not coaching this team lol
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Post#947 » by flying_mollusk » Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:14 am

If we go 1-4 on this five game road trip, then we will be 1 game under .500. Then 19 of our last 31 games are at home, with winnable road games at Charlotte, Washington, Toronto, and Detroit. If we stay healthy, seems like we make the play-in.

Our expectations increased based on our hot start. But that was a goal most would be cool with for a team still developing.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#948 » by drsd » Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:14 pm

flying_mollusk wrote:If we go 1-4 on this five game road trip, then we will be 1 game under .500. Then 19 of our last 31 games are at home, with winnable road games at Charlotte, Washington, Toronto, and Detroit. If we stay healthy, seems like we make the play-in.

Our expectations increased based on our hot start. But that was a goal most would be cool with for a team still developing.


Orlando's remaining SoS is 0.444. Coupled to the team's 0.522 win rate, then over the last 36 games, the Magic would be predicted to win 21 more games, and finish with a 45-37 record. That will be on the cusp of the 6 seed.

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Post#949 » by p0peye » Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:14 pm

As it was last season, this year again there is a high correlation of Cole Anthony's good games and Magic wins. Stark difference in Cole's performance in wins and losses is appalling.

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I think we all seem to agree that solid, consistent guard is the key that opens many doors for us. We don't need a star, for instance a guy like Coby White has pretty consistent high efficiency in both home and road games, wins or losses. If we can get him.
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Post#950 » by eyriq » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:01 pm

p0peye wrote:As it was last season, this year again there is a high correlation of Cole Anthony's good games and Magic wins. Stark difference in Cole's performance in wins and losses is appalling.

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I think we all seem to agree that solid, consistent guard is the key that opens many doors for us. We don't need a star, for instance a guy like Coby White has pretty consistent high efficiency in both home and road games, wins or losses. If we can get him.
It's incredible. We clearly need a Cole, Sexton, D'Angelo, Simons, Keyonte, Poole, etc type player. Cole needs to step TF up
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Post#951 » by JoshuaPotter » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:17 pm

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p0peye wrote:As it was last season, this year again there is a high correlation of Cole Anthony's good games and Magic wins. Stark difference in Cole's performance in wins and losses is appalling.

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I think we all seem to agree that solid, consistent guard is the key that opens many doors for us. We don't need a star, for instance a guy like Coby White has pretty consistent high efficiency in both home and road games, wins or losses. If we can get him.
It's incredible. We clearly need a Cole, Sexton, D'Angelo, Simons, Keyonte, Poole, etc type player. Cole needs to step TF up


I do not think there is a correlation here. We all saw how well Houstan starting worked out for us. But when he comes in with no pressure on he tossed up a 3 and makes it.

Cole is important, but how many of those games was his potential misses "the answer" vs "whole team" was having a shooting problem?
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#952 » by eyriq » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:29 pm

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p0peye wrote:As it was last season, this year again there is a high correlation of Cole Anthony's good games and Magic wins. Stark difference in Cole's performance in wins and losses is appalling.

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I think we all seem to agree that solid, consistent guard is the key that opens many doors for us. We don't need a star, for instance a guy like Coby White has pretty consistent high efficiency in both home and road games, wins or losses. If we can get him.
It's incredible. We clearly need a Cole, Sexton, D'Angelo, Simons, Keyonte, Poole, etc type player. Cole needs to step TF up


I do not think there is a correlation here. We all saw how well Houstan starting worked out for us. But when he comes in with no pressure on he tossed up a 3 and makes it.

Cole is important, but how many of those games was his potential misses "the answer" vs "whole team" was having a shooting problem?
I'd wager the splits are significant indicators of a win vs a loss, but that doesn't mean they explain much of the variation between wins and losses. So, I'm not saying Cole is a key factor but there is something to be said for a spark plug offensive player on a defense first team.
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Post#953 » by JoshuaPotter » Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:18 pm

eyriq wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
eyriq wrote:It's incredible. We clearly need a Cole, Sexton, D'Angelo, Simons, Keyonte, Poole, etc type player. Cole needs to step TF up


I do not think there is a correlation here. We all saw how well Houstan starting worked out for us. But when he comes in with no pressure on he tossed up a 3 and makes it.

Cole is important, but how many of those games was his potential misses "the answer" vs "whole team" was having a shooting problem?
I'd wager the splits are significant indicators of a win vs a loss, but that doesn't mean they explain much of the variation between wins and losses. So, I'm not saying Cole is a key factor but there is something to be said for a spark plug offensive player on a defense first team.


I agree. He may need another 1-2 to finish maturing into the role. But as is, and for what he costs us I think he is doing a great job.
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Post#954 » by Fortune Teller » Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:17 pm

It fees like Gary Harris isn't that interested in playing basketball anymore. Does anyone even remember why he's out? I don't recall an actual injury, so I think this is at least the second time this season he's missed lonnnnnggggg stretches of games with some sort of "soreness". Already missed 19 games and counting.
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Post#955 » by KillMonger » Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:55 pm

Does AB make it to the rising stars?

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Post#956 » by MasterGMer » Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:06 am

AB is our future. Today he showed. I think the biggest thing with his offense has to be with his mindset and confidence. If he can figure that out, he is going to be a weapon on offense. He was drafted because of that in college
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Post#957 » by Black and Blue » Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:30 am

Fortune Teller wrote:It fees like Gary Harris isn't that interested in playing basketball anymore. Does anyone even remember why he's out? I don't recall an actual injury, so I think this is at least the second time this season he's missed lonnnnnggggg stretches of games with some sort of "soreness". Already missed 19 games and counting.

Tbh I keep forgetting he is on this team.
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Post#958 » by thelead » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:00 am

We’re nearly 50 games in and AB is shooting 38% from deep
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Post#959 » by eyriq » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:04 am

thelead wrote:We’re nearly 50 games in and AB is shooting 38% from deep
Bros pulling away from the Thompson twins like nobody's business. I'm going to start talking foolish about him if he keeps this up.
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Post#960 » by drsd » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:18 am

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thelead wrote:We’re nearly 50 games in and AB is shooting 38% from deep
Bros pulling away from the Thompson twins like nobody's business. I'm going to start talking foolish about him if he keeps this up.


a) Black is shooting 33.9% from deep.
b) this is on 1.4 attempts per game. He is hitting these shots because he is TOTALLY unguarded when he shots the long ball.

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