2025 NBA Draft

[RookieStar]

I want a C that is actually 7foot and gobbles rebounds.

No more of the 6'9 barefoot Cs that looks shorter than our Paolo/Franz frontcourt

[KillMonger]

I want a C that is actually 7foot and gobbles rebounds.

No more of the 6'9 barefoot Cs that looks shorter than our Paolo/Franz frontcourt

Funny you mention that, Dwight was 6'9 barefoot..... Except he could jump out the gym and strong as an ox

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[T-Cat]

it's hard for me to get behind drafting a center that can't stretch the floor.....it becomes even more evident watching this lakers series watching gobert, who is one of the best big defenders and a good rebounder get played off the court

Than watch Clippers and Zubac, guy legit looks like top 3 C in playoffs.

It's not about not shooting 3s, problem with Gobert is that he is flat out useless on offense. Period.

He has stone hands, isn't getting rebounds ( especially not offensive one) , can't catch ball, can't make FTs, can't pass. You flat out can't pass ball in his direction in fear of his reaction. God forbid giving him post ups, his body coordination is something else.

I watched so much Utah over years and Gobert to me was always unplayable deep in playoffs. Years ago there was whole Gobert or Mitchell debate. I never felt like there was debate to be made. Imo Edy Tavares is better basketball player than Gobert. Gobert ended up making $300M in nba, Tavares couldn't stick in nba due lack of actual chance to play.

Segun looks fine. To me Duren looks good , but needs to foul less.

Jackson , Edey, Turner ( in this one) simply don't. Bottom line, center has to have 2 main features: skill and will power/mental drive. You need skill above all, but your C can't be soft and shy away from contact. Jackson for example defends like a C, but on offense guy is mental midget who fears to post up Caruso. Edey is simply soft and hates to bang down low. Guy is being boxed out by 6'3 guards.
Turner turned himself into 3 point shooter. It's good when it goes in ( game 1) it looks horrible when he is off ( game 3).
All 3 of those guys can't rebound for s***. Again- lack mental fortitude to put your body on the line.

I mean, current version of Giannis is defacto C. If i have opportunity to build team around Giannis, i would always play him at C.

A big like zubac wouldn't fit with Paolo and Franz in my opinion, I would rather a big like aq brook Lopez type

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A big like Brook Lopez type is why the Bucks are losing in their series! You probably want Joel Embiid too?

Most bigs who fade away from contact/physicality worry me because they fall in love with the perimeter game and ultimately forget their main purpose on the court, which is to dominate the paint.

If we have a chance to grab a game changer on the defensive end, you do that in the Draft.

I've been listening to Joan Beringer interviews and he is a very passionate player with high motor on both ends.

[RookieStar]

I want a C that is actually 7foot and gobbles rebounds.

No more of the 6'9 barefoot Cs that looks shorter than our Paolo/Franz frontcourt

Funny you mention that, Dwight was 6'9 barefoot..... Except he could jump out the gym and strong as an ox

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Same with Duren...

But right now, we have a 6'10 with shoes 270lbs very strong C that just gets dwarfed by the Bigger Cs of the league right now.

[KillMonger]

Than watch Clippers and Zubac, guy legit looks like top 3 C in playoffs.

It's not about not shooting 3s, problem with Gobert is that he is flat out useless on offense. Period.

He has stone hands, isn't getting rebounds ( especially not offensive one) , can't catch ball, can't make FTs, can't pass. You flat out can't pass ball in his direction in fear of his reaction. God forbid giving him post ups, his body coordination is something else.

I watched so much Utah over years and Gobert to me was always unplayable deep in playoffs. Years ago there was whole Gobert or Mitchell debate. I never felt like there was debate to be made. Imo Edy Tavares is better basketball player than Gobert. Gobert ended up making $300M in nba, Tavares couldn't stick in nba due lack of actual chance to play.

Segun looks fine. To me Duren looks good , but needs to foul less.

Jackson , Edey, Turner ( in this one) simply don't. Bottom line, center has to have 2 main features: skill and will power/mental drive. You need skill above all, but your C can't be soft and shy away from contact. Jackson for example defends like a C, but on offense guy is mental midget who fears to post up Caruso. Edey is simply soft and hates to bang down low. Guy is being boxed out by 6'3 guards.
Turner turned himself into 3 point shooter. It's good when it goes in ( game 1) it looks horrible when he is off ( game 3).
All 3 of those guys can't rebound for s***. Again- lack mental fortitude to put your body on the line.

I mean, current version of Giannis is defacto C. If i have opportunity to build team around Giannis, i would always play him at C.

A big like zubac wouldn't fit with Paolo and Franz in my opinion, I would rather a big like aq brook Lopez type

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A big like Brook Lopez type is why the Bucks are losing in their series! You probably want Joel Embiid too?

Most bigs who fade away from contact/physicality worry me because they fall in love with the perimeter game and ultimately forget their main purpose on the court, which is to dominate the paint.

If we have a chance to grab a game changer on the defensive end, you do that in the Draft.

I've been listening to Joan Beringer interviews and he is a very passionate player with high motor on both ends.

I'm talking about the ideal not actually brook Lopez, I'm pretty sure I said type right? He could stretch rebound and rim protect in his prime..... I'm talking about a big that can fit with Paolo and Franz, they need wide open spaces.... A big like zubac works with the clippers because the rest of that starting lineup can shoot beyond the arc.... So it's sort of 4 out 1 in so that works when he's the only guy in the paint.....a run and jump big won't be effective decoy since he actually can't shoot.... We see that when goga is in the game and they just sag off him when he's on the perimeter

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[KillMonger]

I want a C that is actually 7foot and gobbles rebounds.

No more of the 6'9 barefoot Cs that looks shorter than our Paolo/Franz frontcourt

Funny you mention that, Dwight was 6'9 barefoot..... Except he could jump out the gym and strong as an ox

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Same with Duren...

But right now, we have a 6'10 with shoes 270lbs very strong C that just gets dwarfed by the Bigger Cs of the league right now.

Difference is Dell isn't athletic as Dwight or even Duren

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[RookieStar]

Funny you mention that, Dwight was 6'9 barefoot..... Except he could jump out the gym and strong as an ox

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Same with Duren...

But right now, we have a 6'10 with shoes 270lbs very strong C that just gets dwarfed by the Bigger Cs of the league right now.

Difference is Dell isn't athletic as Dwight or even Duren

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Yeah.. true probably. He isn't as mobile for sure. Thing is, I saw WCJr jump. He really can get up there. Just doesn't have the "bounce" of those 2

[KillMonger]

Same with Duren...

But right now, we have a 6'10 with shoes 270lbs very strong C that just gets dwarfed by the Bigger Cs of the league right now.

Difference is Dell isn't athletic as Dwight or even Duren

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Yeah.. true probably. He isn't as mobile for sure. Thing is, I saw WCJr jump. He really can get up there. Just doesn't have the "bounce" of those 2

And it's the bounce that matters clearly

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[RookieStar]

Difference is Dell isn't athletic as Dwight or even Duren

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Yeah.. true probably. He isn't as mobile for sure. Thing is, I saw WCJr jump. He really can get up there. Just doesn't have the "bounce" of those 2

And it's the bounce that matters clearly

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I thought so at first... that was why my #1 pick in that infamous draft was Bagley/Luka. Bagley can jump twice before you even land on your first lol

[KillMonger]

Yeah.. true probably. He isn't as mobile for sure. Thing is, I saw WCJr jump. He really can get up there. Just doesn't have the "bounce" of those 2

And it's the bounce that matters clearly

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I thought so at first... that was why my #1 pick in that infamous draft was Bagley/Luka. Bagley can jump twice before you even land on your first lol

Has to be something..... Because you can't have extremely similar wingspan and height to Dwight but he's averaging 12 or 13 boards and dell struggling to get 10

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[RookieStar]

And it's the bounce that matters clearly

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I thought so at first... that was why my #1 pick in that infamous draft was Bagley/Luka. Bagley can jump twice before you even land on your first lol

Has to be something..... Because you can't have extremely similar wingspan and height to Dwight but he's averaging 12 or 13 boards and dell struggling to get 10

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Guess Dwight just wants it more?

TBF.. D12 played in an era where we just let him camp there... dell has to chase 5s that shoots 3s

[basketballRob]

Dell isn't around the basket as much. Even on defense, he's way too eager to switch out on a guard.

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[Skybox]

Yeah.. true probably. He isn't as mobile for sure. Thing is, I saw WCJr jump. He really can get up there. Just doesn't have the "bounce" of those 2

And it's the bounce that matters clearly

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I thought so at first... that was why my #1 pick in that infamous draft was Bagley/Luka. Bagley can jump twice before you even land on your first lol

If you like Bagley…that’s probably an easy get. Beringer looks pretty good but only 230…still young but not a giant.

[RookieStar]

And it's the bounce that matters clearly

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I thought so at first... that was why my #1 pick in that infamous draft was Bagley/Luka. Bagley can jump twice before you even land on your first lol

If you like Bagley…that’s probably an easy get. Beringer looks pretty good but only 230…still young but not a giant.

Well i javent really seen any games of Beringer so ill take your word for it. Whereas i watched Bagleys entire rookie ncaa season and just saw him grab boards and made putbacks left and right

[fendilim]

I want a C that is actually 7foot and gobbles rebounds.

No more of the 6'9 barefoot Cs that looks shorter than our Paolo/Franz frontcourt

That beringer kid looks impresisve actually. I wouldnt be surprised if he goes end of lotto by draft night.

[RookieStar]

I want a C that is actually 7foot and gobbles rebounds.

No more of the 6'9 barefoot Cs that looks shorter than our Paolo/Franz frontcourt

That beringer kid looks impresisve actually. I wouldnt be surprised if he goes end of lotto by draft night.

If what he says is true... 6'11 barefoot and still 18yrs old.. then yeah potential is through the roof. If his handlers are alright with us stashing and developing him for his rookie year then i can see the vision.

[KillMonger]

I want a C that is actually 7foot and gobbles rebounds.

No more of the 6'9 barefoot Cs that looks shorter than our Paolo/Franz frontcourt

That beringer kid looks impresisve actually. I wouldnt be surprised if he goes end of lotto by draft night.

If what he says is true... 6'11 barefoot and still 18yrs old.. then yeah potential is through the roof. If his handlers are alright with us stashing and developing him for his rookie year then i can see the vision.

can he shoot?

[RookieStar]

That beringer kid looks impresisve actually. I wouldnt be surprised if he goes end of lotto by draft night.

If what he says is true... 6'11 barefoot and still 18yrs old.. then yeah potential is through the roof. If his handlers are alright with us stashing and developing him for his rookie year then i can see the vision.

can he shoot?

I have no idea. I dont even know his game. Im just checking his physical profile

[Skybox]

I thought so at first... that was why my #1 pick in that infamous draft was Bagley/Luka. Bagley can jump twice before you even land on your first lol

If you like Bagley…that’s probably an easy get. Beringer looks pretty good but only 230…still young but not a giant.

Well i javent really seen any games of Beringer so ill take your word for it. Whereas i watched Bagleys entire rookie ncaa season and just saw him grab boards and made putbacks left and right

Bagley's a UFA this summer, coming out of MEM...a forgotten former star - I woulnd't mind getting him...He's made $12m per on his most recent expiring deal, but maybe he'll go for half that for a few more guaranteed years?

recently turned 26, 6'10, 230+, springy, basically forgotten this year in MEM. Has had knee issues- I don't know how severe or if injuries are why he got DNPs and only 8.5 mpg this season...maybe just on a team that's deep at his spot? Never got over 25 mpg, even early in his career - which is odd, given his lofty draft spot. He's always put up some points and rebs, considering his minutes....certainly no savior but maybe a nice low-budget banger vet?

Sorry. Wrong thread...but Bagley for vet min (or a little over) is probably a proven, if limited, commodity. Beringer measures out the same, seems to have similar physical traits but maybe very raw - which might mean upside or it might mean "be patient". I don't want to be patient, but I'd happily take Beringer at 25 and let him rule the G League on and off as a rookie...and add a guy like Bagley, while making other moves to the top of the big man rotation.

[drsd]

Bored at work, so ....


#16:
2024 - Jared McCain - home run pick. Could be a future starter
2023 - Kobe Bufkin - 3rd stringer that could develop to a rotational player
2022 - AJ Griffin - not an NBA-level talent
2021 - Alperen Şengün - multi-year all-star talent
2020 - Isaiah Stewart - solid bench player
2019 - Chuma Okeke - why?
2018 - Zhaire Smith - already out of league
2017 - Justin Patton - already out of league
2016 - Guerschon Yabusele - amazing return to league; solid bench player
2015 - Terry Rozier - end of wonderful career as a starer
2014 - Jusuf Nurkić - end of wonderful career as a starer


#25
2024 - Pacôme Dadiet - not an NBA-level talent
2023 - Marcus Sasser - 3rd stringer that could develop to a rotational player
2022 - Blake Wesley - 3rd stringer that could be a deep bench player for several more years
2021 - Quentin Grimes - solid 6th man / marginal starter
2020 - Immanuel Quickley - solid 6th man / marginal starter
2019 - Nassir Little - not an NBA-level talent
2018 - Moritz Wagner - Orlando's OG
2017 - Anžejs Pasečņiks - already out of league
2016 - Brice Johnson - already out of league
2015 - Jarell Martin - already out of league
2014 - end of wonderful career as a marginal starer




In conclusion: Orlando needs to trade away one or both of these picks!



p.s. Orlando also has the #46 and #57 selections in this draft.


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