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Floridharkless wrote:If we want Trey Burke, we must trade down with Charlotte or Phoenix even if we do not gets a big consideration.
dsg2021 wrote:But I think you illustrated an availability principle that a good SG is harder to get than a good PG. I just wouldn't want to pass on Burke if he handily beats the rest of the top 5 draft class in their career and playoff runs. For the sake of actually picking one side, I'd rather have a young SG like McLemore.
except for the fact that in recent years Evans haven't been playing much point guard if at all and he's found his way at the wing spot. So if Henny targets him it probably would be with SG in mind, so no need for Mclemore and we can get a PG to groom in Burke for when Nelson is ready to either transition to the bench or be tradedNyce_1 wrote:I remember a rumor before the season started that Rob wanted Tyreke Evans for Redick. If it was true, and there's still an interest, what if we target Evans, via FA, to be our PG of the future? If that's the plan, we definitely go McLemore with #2 to provide that outside threat. Then, we still find a PG to groom later in the draft.
eyriq wrote:If you break a draft down into tiers you can get something like this:
Tier 1: Franchise
Tier 2: All Star
Tier 3: Borderline
Tier 4: Starter
Tier 5: Rotation
with tiers 6 and below ranging from bench to out of the league.
A quick look at PG's drafted since 2000
Tier 1: Arenas, C. Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Irving
Tier 2: Parker, D. Williams, Rondo, Curry
Tier 3: Lillard, *Lawson
Tier 4: M. Williams, J. Nelson, D. Harris, Holiday
I see Burke as an improved Nelson, so I'd put him at least as a Tier 3 guy with serious potential to be a Tier 2 guy.
As far as shooting guards you've got Tier 1 guys Wade, Roy, and Harden and then a bunch of not very exciting players at all. Tyreke Evans, Thornton, Stuckey, Matthews, Klay, Mayo, DeRozan, Courtney Lee, MarShon Brooks, Waites, Lamb, Beal, all are interesting dudes but personally I think McLemore will be better than the lot of them.
Ok, yeah I'm kinda just streaming thought on this here forum but I think it boils down to option 1a McLemore and option 1b Burke.
*Edit: Forgot Lawson (and probably others)
I wouldn't mind this either. And from what I've seen, he's underrated in the draft.rcklsscognition wrote:I have seen 2 mock drafts that have us taking Kapongo with our 51st pick. If he's there, I'd be very happy with McLemore/Kapongo.
Nyce_1 wrote:I wouldn't mind this either. And from what I've seen, he's underrated in the draft.rcklsscognition wrote:I have seen 2 mock drafts that have us taking Kapongo with our 51st pick. If he's there, I'd be very happy with McLemore/Kapongo.
I remember Kapongo had some hype before the season.
Nyce_1 wrote:I wouldn't mind this either. And from what I've seen, he's underrated in the draft.rcklsscognition wrote:I have seen 2 mock drafts that have us taking Kapongo with our 51st pick. If he's there, I'd be very happy with McLemore/Kapongo.
I remember Kapongo had some hype before the season.
Neon1 wrote:MagicFan32 wrote:KingRobb02 wrote: What is offense? Seems like it's just scoring points to you. A team of 5 Michael Beasleys would not beat a team of 5 Tyson Chandlers. Clearly you agree that he is good at most of the parts of offense that don't involve creating his own shot. As opposed to someone like Beasley who is going to turn the ball over, shoot a low percentage, never set a screen and probably never pass out of a double team. You can call TC a bad scorer, but not a bad offensive player.
Irrelevant.
that's not how basketball is played
Im pretty sure 5 Beasleys would beat 5 Chandlers in a full court NBA style game.
I think if you put McGee back then, he would get those blocks just as easily as Russell did. Russell's athleticism was well ahead of the players of his time, and that's about it.
the guy had a horrible childhood, if he can play ball, that's all that matters. he can play hennigan and co have an entire background on him already, if they're comfortable with him i wont be to worriedSkin wrote:UCFJayBird wrote:Def Swami wrote:I finally got around to watching McLemore's interview at the Draft Combine and DAMN you guys are hard on the guy. He stuttered on one word and all of a sudden he's pinned as illiterate smh. Overall, his interview was fine.
Question: "How do you feel about your skills and they'll translate to the next level?"
McLemore: "Umm...I think my skills will be perfect for the next level ya know with my upsides, and my athleti...my athleticis... athleticism and you know my shooting ability and you know my uh length and uh my ability to you know play defense and you know it's also gonna get better and i can work on some things, and but you know i definitely know i can um skills can definitely fit the NBA."
That's just the first 30 seconds (and that's exactly what he said). He stutters a lot, says "um" and "ya know "constantly to bridge gaps when he's unsure where to take his sentence. Not really all that uncommon, but when you listen to the content of his answers it's always reaffirming what the questioner asked or giving the most generic common "this is what my agent told me to say" stuff.
I don't think he's illiterate, but he's certainly not well spoken. And don't confuse people being hard on his speaking ability for claiming he's unintelligent.
I get you bro. The signs are there. People just choose to ignore them because um you know skillzzzzzzzzzzz....
I think if you put McGee back then, he would get those blocks just as easily as Russell did. Russell's athleticism was well ahead of the players of his time, and that's about it.
MagicFan32 wrote:the guy had a horrible childhood, if he can play ball, that's all that matters. he can play hennigan and co have an entire background on him already, if they're comfortable with him i wont be to worriedSkin wrote:I get you bro. The signs are there. People just choose to ignore them because um you know skillzzzzzzzzzzz....
Skin wrote:MagicFan32 wrote:the guy had a horrible childhood, if he can play ball, that's all that matters. he can play hennigan and co have an entire background on him already, if they're comfortable with him i wont be to worriedSkin wrote:I get you bro. The signs are there. People just choose to ignore them because um you know skillzzzzzzzzzzz....
Sounds good... but don't have a fit if Hennigan and co aren't comfortable with him, k.
I think if you put McGee back then, he would get those blocks just as easily as Russell did. Russell's athleticism was well ahead of the players of his time, and that's about it.
MagicFan32 wrote:Skin wrote:MagicFan32 wrote:the guy had a horrible childhood, if he can play ball, that's all that matters. he can play hennigan and co have an entire background on him already, if they're comfortable with him i wont be to worried
Sounds good... but don't have a fit if Hennigan and co aren't comfortable with him, k.
i honestly dont care who we pick, i trust this front office to do their homework, i just don't feel comfortable judging this kids literacy/intelligence, with the problems he's had to deal with
Blue_and_Whte wrote:I judged him based on how he spoke but quickly rescinded realizing how classless that was. He took advantage of a situation that allowed him to further his education when a lot of kids with similar upbringing would've let it waste away.
I applaud him for the work he put in to ear his GPA when he couldnt play ball. People are going out of they're way to personally bash this kid because he's not the guy they want. Some of them first need to look in the mirror and then focus on what he can bring to the court while letting the guys that REALLY know McElmore's background decide.
I think if you put McGee back then, he would get those blocks just as easily as Russell did. Russell's athleticism was well ahead of the players of his time, and that's about it.
I agree with everything here, expertly crafted post. Even though Mclemore is not my 1b much less my number 2 guyBensational wrote:eyriq wrote:If you break a draft down into tiers you can get something like this:
Tier 1: Franchise
Tier 2: All Star
Tier 3: Borderline
Tier 4: Starter
Tier 5: Rotation
with tiers 6 and below ranging from bench to out of the league.
A quick look at PG's drafted since 2000
Tier 1: Arenas, C. Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Irving
Tier 2: Parker, D. Williams, Rondo, Curry
Tier 3: Lillard, *Lawson
Tier 4: M. Williams, J. Nelson, D. Harris, Holiday
I see Burke as an improved Nelson, so I'd put him at least as a Tier 3 guy with serious potential to be a Tier 2 guy.
As far as shooting guards you've got Tier 1 guys Wade, Roy, and Harden and then a bunch of not very exciting players at all. Tyreke Evans, Thornton, Stuckey, Matthews, Klay, Mayo, DeRozan, Courtney Lee, MarShon Brooks, Waites, Lamb, Beal, all are interesting dudes but personally I think McLemore will be better than the lot of them.
Ok, yeah I'm kinda just streaming thought on this here forum but I think it boils down to option 1a McLemore and option 1b Burke.
*Edit: Forgot Lawson (and probably others)
nice breakdown. PG looks like a safer option, and the league has become very PG dominant, so Burke will most likely have the most immediate impact of any of this years rookies. Burke is a Tier 3 in my mind, with the potential to hit tier 2. that's a solid addition.
i can see how Burke can hit the league and succeed. he can create his own shot, he makes good passes, he plays the passing lanes well, he's a leader and a fighter. with McLemore, i can see how he'd fit as a great #2/#3 option playing off the ball, but will that be a big enough impact for us going forwards?
looking at potential lineups helps:
TEAM BURKE
Vuc
Harris
Harkless
Afflalo
Burke
TEAM MCLEMORE
Vuc
Harris
Harkless
McLemore
Nelson
how do you add to these teams? team Burke needs perimeter shooting (once AA is traded), interior defense, and possibly a better #1 scoring option/shot creator than Harris/Burke. Harris is great, but can he carry a team to W's? i'd like to hope so, but we might have to consider the option.
team McLemore needs a PG, interior defense, and again, potentially a better #1 scoring option/#2 scoring option. i know Hennigan has had interviews with Kabongo and Larkin, two guys who could be available in the 2nd round. maybe he's already thinking about finding that PG?
Team Burke seems much closer to being complete. we could go into 2014 looking to take the BPA. Wiggins/Parker/Randle/Gordon/Harrison/Smart could all fit into that roster without too much disruption (Harris either making a full time switch to the 3 or 4, Harkless moving to the 2), and between Vuc/Harris/Burke/2014 rookie we should be deep enough and talented enough to hit the playoffs. Team McLemore would have a lot of wing depth, and we'd most likely still be without a PG unless we drafted Harrison or Smart, or looked to pick up a PG via other means.
i guess the easiest summary is, what's easier to add once we make our selection, a PG or a SG? given that SG is currently such a weak position in the league, i think it's easier to find a serviceable SG. at this point, i'd probably go 1a Burke, 1b McLemore.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Durant thinks Vooch is one of the Best Centers in the NBA. I will take his word over a couch-GM yelling at a TV.
MagicFan32 wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:I judged him based on how he spoke but quickly rescinded realizing how classless that was. He took advantage of a situation that allowed him to further his education when a lot of kids with similar upbringing would've let it waste away.
I applaud him for the work he put in to ear his GPA when he couldnt play ball. People are going out of they're way to personally bash this kid because he's not the guy they want. Some of them first need to look in the mirror and then focus on what he can bring to the court while letting the guys that REALLY know McElmore's background decide.
unfortunately this kid grew up in pretty horrible circumstances. intelligence doesn't always manifest itself with speech or in the classroom....yet it can in places such as music, or even a basketball court. i view him as a kid that has had to overcome alot of adversity to get where he is...and maybe that can help on the court. anyways i trust hennigan and co. to make a good decision based on how thorough they are. if it's him, great i'll get behind the guy, if not i'll get behind someone else, i dont get how anyone can have a firm position about any prospect in this draft TBH