Orlando Magic Free Agency Guide (Cap Info UPDATED page 37)

[Bensational]

Why do the Magic need more draft picks. They already have 3-4 first rounders and 5 second rounders in the next 3 years, on top of having the one of youngest rosters in the NBA.

Because draft picks are zero cost assets. It saves the team committing such a large amount of salary to Fournier now and limiting our chances of adding multiple FAs in the future.

Adding age and experience at the expense of being able to chase true stars (not to mention burying guys who migh develop into true stars) seems more like adding another obstacle rather than solving a problem.

Draft picks are not zero cost assets. All first round picks have cap holds and guaranteed salary.

I interpreted it as the picks themselves (future picks) don't count against salary, and only become a scaled cap hold once the pick becomes a draft selection.

Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft.

So if Fournier is traded for a future 1st round pick, it would count as a zero cost asset.

Of course, once a player is drafted, then they become a rookie (or a scale value asset in that limbo period before signing a contract).

Fournier is an asset that the Magic have spent a key asset to attain + time and labor to develop. No GM would give him away for a low draft pick, just as the asset matures.

3:04

"one of the biggest, if not the biggest priority this summer is to bring Evan back and ensure he stays with us and we are confident we'll be able to do that.

And last year Hennigan talked about signing Tobias Harris no matter what. But, a year later we know where that narrative ended up.

...and I'm not alone in thinking the Magic need to add talent and experience this summer.

Rob Hennigan: We feel like we need to add experience to the team, and that's something that I've said throughout the season. Its something that as the season has played out we've been able to pinpoint the fact that we do need experience to help stabilize us, so part of our strategy as we move into the summer is to pinpoint plan A's and plan B's and certain contingencies but all within the vein of trying to bring more experience to the team because with the nucleus we have and a few added veteran pieces we'll be well positioned for the postseason.

Having just done the sums, we probably could afford to sign one of Horford/Batum/Conley/Barnes/etc, plus a cheaper guy like Biyombo/Lin/Jeff Green/etc, plus Fournier, and still have room for a MAX contract in 2017.

So yeah, I don't have much of a problem with the idea anymore.

[Patrick1978]

I want henny to make a trade for Nerlens noel

[Skin]

Having just done the sums, we probably could afford to sign one of Horford/Batum/Conley/Barnes/etc, plus a cheaper guy like Biyombo/Lin/Jeff Green/etc, plus Fournier, and still have room for a MAX contract in 2017.

So yeah, I don't have much of a problem with the idea anymore.

The problem I see in only signing 1 max FA this summer is that if we also decide to bring back Fournier, then that ability to sign another max FA in 2017 disappears. Fournier's new deal with eat up that cap space.

...and we don't benefit from the advantage of using his Bird Rights which allows us to go over the cap.

It would be better for us to sign 2 max guys and Fournier, than 1 max guy and Fournier because we can't ever recoup the ability to sign another max guy... unless we trade Fournier for expirings like we did with Tobias... and what benefit is that?

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OR we sign 1 max guy and NOT bring back Fournier. Then in 2017, we can add 1 more max guy and then use Oladipo's Bird Rights to retain him once we're over the cap.

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I've already stated my opinion that I'm ok with signing Fournier if we are able to bring in 2 top tier FAs (Durant/Whiteside/Conley).

But I'm not a fan of bringing back Fournier if we are only able to reel in lower tier FAs (Batum/Barnes/Horford/Howard).

In the first case, we are a contenders who have our cap space locked up for many years... in the second case, we are pretenders who have our cap space locked up for many years.

If we lock up our future cap space and all we are are pretenders, then it's REALLY hard to undo things and fix them. That is the last place I want the Magic to be.

[Xatticus]

Having just done the sums, we probably could afford to sign one of Horford/Batum/Conley/Barnes/etc, plus a cheaper guy like Biyombo/Lin/Jeff Green/etc, plus Fournier, and still have room for a MAX contract in 2017.

So yeah, I don't have much of a problem with the idea anymore.

The problem I see in only signing 1 max FA this summer is that if we also decide to bring back Fournier, then that ability to sign another max FA in 2017 disappears. Fournier's new deal with eat up that cap space.

...and we don't benefit from the advantage of using his Bird Rights which allows us to go over the cap.

It would be better for us to sign 2 max guys and Fournier, than 1 max guy and Fournier because we can't ever recoup the ability to sign another max guy... unless we trade Fournier for expirings like we did with Tobias... and what benefit is that?

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OR we sign 1 max guy and NOT bring back Fournier. Then in 2017, we can add 1 more max guy and then use Oladipo's Bird Rights to retain him once we're over the cap.

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I've already stated my opinion that I'm ok with signing Fournier if we are able to bring in 2 top tier FAs (Durant/Whiteside/Conley).

But I'm not a fan of bringing back Fournier if we are only able to reel in lower tier FAs (Batum/Barnes/Horford/Howard).

In the first case, we are a contenders who have our cap space locked up for many years... in the second case, we are pretenders who have our cap space locked up for many years.

If we lock up our future cap space and all we are are pretenders, then it's REALLY hard to undo things and fix them. That is the last place I want the Magic to be.

Bird Rights are only useful if you are willing to spend the extra money. OKC traded Harden, not because they couldn't re-sign him, but because they were unwilling to let their payroll exceed a particular figure. We keep talking about the merits of having this window of cap space to utilize while later extending players' currently on rookie scale contracts using their Bird Rights. The salary cap was created by the owners to set an artificial barrier on spending. It certainly wasn't created at the behest of the NBPA. Circumventing the salary cap isn't particularly difficult, but most owners would prefer not to.

A bad contract is a bad contract whether or not you can fit it through cap restrictions. There are going to be a lot of bad contracts signed this summer, as there is just too much money to be spent relative to the talent available. If the goal was to accumulate cap space and make a splash in free agency, Hennigan's timing is atrocious, as this is the worst free agency period in recent memory (perhaps ever?) to do so. Even the realistic targets are going to be expensive. It's difficult enough to find market inefficiencies in free agency when you don't have a 20 million dollar spike in the salary cap. I really hope we see something creative this summer.

[Bensational]

Having just done the sums, we probably could afford to sign one of Horford/Batum/Conley/Barnes/etc, plus a cheaper guy like Biyombo/Lin/Jeff Green/etc, plus Fournier, and still have room for a MAX contract in 2017.

So yeah, I don't have much of a problem with the idea anymore.

The problem I see in only signing 1 max FA this summer is that if we also decide to bring back Fournier, then that ability to sign another max FA in 2017 disappears. Fournier's new deal with eat up that cap space.

...and we don't benefit from the advantage of using his Bird Rights which allows us to go over the cap.

It would be better for us to sign 2 max guys and Fournier, than 1 max guy and Fournier because we can't ever recoup the ability to sign another max guy... unless we trade Fournier for expirings like we did with Tobias... and what benefit is that?

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OR we sign 1 max guy and NOT bring back Fournier. Then in 2017, we can add 1 more max guy and then use Oladipo's Bird Rights to retain him once we're over the cap.

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I've already stated my opinion that I'm ok with signing Fournier if we are able to bring in 2 top tier FAs (Durant/Whiteside/Conley).

But I'm not a fan of bringing back Fournier if we are only able to reel in lower tier FAs (Batum/Barnes/Horford/Howard).

In the first case, we are a contenders who have our cap space locked up for many years... in the second case, we are pretenders who have our cap space locked up for many years.

If we lock up our future cap space and all we are are pretenders, then it's REALLY hard to undo things and fix them. That is the last place I want the Magic to be.

My thoughts were that with the cap projected to rise another $20M next summer, that's where the money for another MAX deal will come from. As long as we've got enough of a buffer after this summer. 1 MAX + Fournier won't take us over the limit.

[Skin]

Having just done the sums, we probably could afford to sign one of Horford/Batum/Conley/Barnes/etc, plus a cheaper guy like Biyombo/Lin/Jeff Green/etc, plus Fournier, and still have room for a MAX contract in 2017.

So yeah, I don't have much of a problem with the idea anymore.

The problem I see in only signing 1 max FA this summer is that if we also decide to bring back Fournier, then that ability to sign another max FA in 2017 disappears. Fournier's new deal with eat up that cap space.

...and we don't benefit from the advantage of using his Bird Rights which allows us to go over the cap.

It would be better for us to sign 2 max guys and Fournier, than 1 max guy and Fournier because we can't ever recoup the ability to sign another max guy... unless we trade Fournier for expirings like we did with Tobias... and what benefit is that?

--------

OR we sign 1 max guy and NOT bring back Fournier. Then in 2017, we can add 1 more max guy and then use Oladipo's Bird Rights to retain him once we're over the cap.

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I've already stated my opinion that I'm ok with signing Fournier if we are able to bring in 2 top tier FAs (Durant/Whiteside/Conley).

But I'm not a fan of bringing back Fournier if we are only able to reel in lower tier FAs (Batum/Barnes/Horford/Howard).

In the first case, we are a contenders who have our cap space locked up for many years... in the second case, we are pretenders who have our cap space locked up for many years.

If we lock up our future cap space and all we are are pretenders, then it's REALLY hard to undo things and fix them. That is the last place I want the Magic to be.

My thoughts were that with the cap projected to rise another $20M next summer, that's where the money for another MAX deal will come from. As long as we've got enough of a buffer after this summer. 1 MAX + Fournier won't take us over the limit.

Does that mean we can sign 2 max FAs this summer (and not resign Fournier) and then be able to add another max FA next summer (and then go over the cap to retain Oladipo)?

[Skin]

Having just done the sums, we probably could afford to sign one of Horford/Batum/Conley/Barnes/etc, plus a cheaper guy like Biyombo/Lin/Jeff Green/etc, plus Fournier, and still have room for a MAX contract in 2017.

So yeah, I don't have much of a problem with the idea anymore.

The problem I see in only signing 1 max FA this summer is that if we also decide to bring back Fournier, then that ability to sign another max FA in 2017 disappears. Fournier's new deal with eat up that cap space.

...and we don't benefit from the advantage of using his Bird Rights which allows us to go over the cap.

It would be better for us to sign 2 max guys and Fournier, than 1 max guy and Fournier because we can't ever recoup the ability to sign another max guy... unless we trade Fournier for expirings like we did with Tobias... and what benefit is that?

--------

OR we sign 1 max guy and NOT bring back Fournier. Then in 2017, we can add 1 more max guy and then use Oladipo's Bird Rights to retain him once we're over the cap.

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I've already stated my opinion that I'm ok with signing Fournier if we are able to bring in 2 top tier FAs (Durant/Whiteside/Conley).

But I'm not a fan of bringing back Fournier if we are only able to reel in lower tier FAs (Batum/Barnes/Horford/Howard).

In the first case, we are a contenders who have our cap space locked up for many years... in the second case, we are pretenders who have our cap space locked up for many years.

If we lock up our future cap space and all we are are pretenders, then it's REALLY hard to undo things and fix them. That is the last place I want the Magic to be.

Bird Rights are only useful if you are willing to spend the extra money. OKC traded Harden, not because they couldn't re-sign him, but because they were unwilling to let their payroll exceed a particular figure. We keep talking about the merits of having this window of cap space to utilize while later extending players' currently on rookie scale contracts using their Bird Rights. The salary cap was created by the owners to set an artificial barrier on spending. It certainly wasn't created at the behest of the NBPA. Circumventing the salary cap isn't particularly difficult, but most owners would prefer not to.

A bad contract is a bad contract whether or not you can fit it through cap restrictions. There are going to be a lot of bad contracts signed this summer, as there is just too much money to be spent relative to the talent available. If the goal was to accumulate cap space and make a splash in free agency, Hennigan's timing is atrocious, as this is the worst free agency period in recent memory (perhaps ever?) to do so. Even the realistic targets are going to be expensive. It's difficult enough to find market inefficiencies in free agency when you don't have a 20 million dollar spike in the salary cap. I really hope we see something creative this summer.

We'll need something creative and bold.

I say our best chance is to trade our assets in order to gain a big named star in order to attract 2 top tier max FAs.

[Bensational]

The problem I see in only signing 1 max FA this summer is that if we also decide to bring back Fournier, then that ability to sign another max FA in 2017 disappears. Fournier's new deal with eat up that cap space.

...and we don't benefit from the advantage of using his Bird Rights which allows us to go over the cap.

It would be better for us to sign 2 max guys and Fournier, than 1 max guy and Fournier because we can't ever recoup the ability to sign another max guy... unless we trade Fournier for expirings like we did with Tobias... and what benefit is that?

--------

OR we sign 1 max guy and NOT bring back Fournier. Then in 2017, we can add 1 more max guy and then use Oladipo's Bird Rights to retain him once we're over the cap.

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I've already stated my opinion that I'm ok with signing Fournier if we are able to bring in 2 top tier FAs (Durant/Whiteside/Conley).

But I'm not a fan of bringing back Fournier if we are only able to reel in lower tier FAs (Batum/Barnes/Horford/Howard).

In the first case, we are a contenders who have our cap space locked up for many years... in the second case, we are pretenders who have our cap space locked up for many years.

If we lock up our future cap space and all we are are pretenders, then it's REALLY hard to undo things and fix them. That is the last place I want the Magic to be.

My thoughts were that with the cap projected to rise another $20M next summer, that's where the money for another MAX deal will come from. As long as we've got enough of a buffer after this summer. 1 MAX + Fournier won't take us over the limit.

Does that mean we can sign 2 max FAs this summer (and not resign Fournier) and then be able to add another max FA next summer (and then go over the cap to retain Oladipo)?

Probably not MAX dollars. But I'm not sure. ezzzp has a breakdown of the numbers so he's probably better equipped to answer this one.

[Skin]

My thoughts were that with the cap projected to rise another $20M next summer, that's where the money for another MAX deal will come from. As long as we've got enough of a buffer after this summer. 1 MAX + Fournier won't take us over the limit.

Does that mean we can sign 2 max FAs this summer (and not resign Fournier) and then be able to add another max FA next summer (and then go over the cap to retain Oladipo)?

Probably not MAX dollars. But I'm not sure. ezzzp has a breakdown of the numbers so he's probably better equipped to answer this one.

Gotta admit that's a pretty clever option if it's realistic.

2 max guys now, and another one next summer? We could be in real business and sell that vision to our FA targets.

[Bensational]

NBA SALARY CAP = $92 m

GUARANTEED CONTRACTS:
Vucevic = $11.75 m
Oladipo = $6.55 m
Watson = $5.00 m
Gordon = $4.35 m
Hezonja = $3.91 m
Payton = $2.61 m
Napier = $1.35 m
Total: $35.5 m


CAP HOLDS:
If a player's cap hold is renounced, they can never be resigned over the salary cap. If their cap hold is not renounced, cap hold counts against salary cap space, but team can exceed cap to resign. Teams do not have to renounce cap holds until immediately before a transaction is about to be completed and only if cap space is necessary to fit within salary cap space.

Restricted Free Agents:
Fournier = $5.75 m
Nicholson = $5.95 m
Dedmon = $1.23 m

Unrestricted Free Agents:
Smith = $5.16 m
Jennings = $12.5 m

Team Options (salary or cap hold if rejected):
Ilyasova = $8.4 m or $12.6 m *must be decided prior to July 1
Marble = $0.85 m or $1.0 m *must be decided prior to July 15

Draft Pick
1st Round: Currently #11 = $2.03 m


SAMPLE OPTIONS:

• (Jr Max) max contract for player with less than seven year experience = $23.0 m
Eligible: Whiteside, Beal, Barnes, Ezeli

• (Mid Tier Max) max contract for player with seven to ten years experience = $27.6 m
Eligible: Durant, Horford, Conley, Noah, DeRozan, Anderson, Batum, Mahinmi, Parsons

• (Vet Max) max contract for player with more than ten years experience = $32.2.0 m
Eligible: Howard, Gasol, Johnson, Williams, Lebron, Wade

Bumping this post up.

[Bensational]

Does that mean we can sign 2 max FAs this summer (and not resign Fournier) and then be able to add another max FA next summer (and then go over the cap to retain Oladipo)?

Probably not MAX dollars. But I'm not sure. ezzzp has a breakdown of the numbers so he's probably better equipped to answer this one.

Gotta admit that's a pretty clever option if it's realistic.

2 max guys now, and another one next summer? We could be in real business and sell that vision to our FA targets.

Using ezzzp's post for reference, Durant + Horford/Conley would bring the salary to roughly $90M without re-signing Fournier.

Horford/Vuc
Gordon
Durant/Hezonja
Oladipo/Hezonja
Payton/Watson

Bring in cheap options on one year deals to fill out the roster.

Next summer we could potentially have another $18M if the cap goes to $108 (less Oladipo's cap hold).

If we moved Vuc for expiring contracts, that gives us another $10M to play with. Pretty close to enough for a mid tier max contract (Westbrook/Paul/Griffin/Ibaka). Plus we'd still have depth and assets from Payton, Hezonja and the #11 pick.

[ezzzp]

A bad contract is a bad contract whether or not you can fit it through cap restrictions. There are going to be a lot of bad contracts signed this summer, as there is just too much money to be spent relative to the talent available. If the goal was to accumulate cap space and make a splash in free agency, Hennigan's timing is atrocious, as this is the worst free agency period in recent memory (perhaps ever?) to do so. Even the realistic targets are going to be expensive. It's difficult enough to find market inefficiencies in free agency when you don't have a 20 million dollar spike in the salary cap. I really hope we see something creative this summer.

Its important to understand the higher salaries as %'s within a rapidly growing cap; not as a dollar for dollar comparison to prior salaries.

A $10m salary in 2015-16 $70m cap is a 14% of cap player; but a $10m salary in next years $92m cap is an 11% of cap player...the cap will jump again next summer and will remain at those levels moving forward. While players will earn higher amounts, those amounts remain proportional to the salary cap (which functions proportionately to the NBA's total revenue).

Its kind of like when really old people that can't adapt to modern conditions think that paying more than .25 cents for a gallon of milk is a ripoff.

[Bensational]

Teague! In that hypothetical situation above with Horford and Durant, we could trade Vuc for Teague, and have a quality PG who's contract expires after that season and leaves us room to chase another big FA.

But I can't see Atlanta helping us add a final piece like that as a conference rival.

[ezzzp]

Festus Ezeli

Three years and $50 million? According to several league executives, that is likely to be what it takes to land Warriors restricted free agent center Festus Ezeli this summer. “Obviously there are health issues you’re worried about,” one general manager told Sporting News. “So I don’t think you’d want to go beyond three years. But he still has a lot of upside and he can get better in a bigger role.”

But Ezeli is unlikely to get a four- or five-year deal. He had right knee surgery and sat out all of the 2013-14 season, then had minor arthroscopic left knee surgery this year that limited him to 46 games, and those issues are a concern. While he figures to get a sizable deal up front, it won’t be a long commitment. That could benefit a team that wants to limit its injury risk, but also could benefit Ezeli if he plays exceptionally well and warrants a bigger deal down the road.

Sporing News/Sean Deveney

[Skin]

Teague! In that hypothetical situation above with Horford and Durant, we could trade Vuc for Teague, and have a quality PG who's contract expires after that season and leaves us room to chase another big FA.

But I can't see Atlanta helping us add a final piece like that as a conference rival.

THIS is the kind of thinking/discussion that we should be engaged in. I LIKE IT.

BTW, I think it would be great if you could put ezzzp's post in the OP of this thread. It's a helpful tool.

[ezzzp]

It’s no secret that the Boston Celtics are among the many teams that would love to swing a deal to acquire Chicago’s Jimmy Butler.

Well for now at least, it appears the Bulls aren’t willing to budge off moving their all-star small forward.

A league source tells CSNNE.com that the Bulls, while still open to listening to offers for Butler, are telling teams that are inquiring about his availability that their plan for now is to keep him in the fold.

And while there was some thought that a top-3 pick coupled with a few decent players might be enough to entice the Bulls to pull the trigger on a deal to trade Butler, CSNNE.com has been told such an offer would have to include at least one “legitimate, NBA starter” for the Bulls to even possibly consider trading him.

“And that might be a stretch,” the source indicated.

CSN New England

[Xatticus]

Its important to understand the higher salaries as %'s within a rapidly growing cap; not as a dollar for dollar comparison to prior salaries.

A $10m salary in 2015-16 $70m cap is a 14% of cap player; but a $10m salary in next years $92m cap is an 11% of cap player...the cap will jump again next summer and will remain at those levels moving forward. While players will earn higher amounts, those amounts remain proportional to the salary cap (which functions proportionately to the NBA's total revenue).

Its kind of like when really old people that can't adapt to modern conditions think that paying more than .25 cents for a gallon of milk is a ripoff.

Right. And the cap figure is calculated based on league revenue. None of which has any bearing on the value of a max contract, as the figures are derived from service time and as a percentage of the salary cap. The contracts that will be handed out this summer are going to be dictated by the economic conditions (supply and demand) of this summer. That there is any conjecture regarding Harrison Barnes or Evan Fournier as potential max contract recipients is a testament to this. In the long-term, this won't make these contracts any more palatable.

Just two summers ago, Kyle Lowry only managed a three-year deal at 12 million per (less than two-thirds of what he'd have earned on a max deal over the same duration), because of the market conditions at that time. If that 28-year-old Lowry were entering this free agency market, he would have the opportunity to select from no less than a half-dozen max contract offers.

Ideally, it would have been beneficial to lock up the team's prized assets under the previous economic conditions. This is why I thought the timing of the Harris trade was dreadful, and this is why I am hopeful that the path forward is via trade. Free agency is going to be a minefield. In an average off-season, it is very difficult to get value for your money through free agency. This summer, it will be next to impossible unless you are fortunate enough to land a player whose on-court value exceeds the limitations of a maximum contract.

[Xatticus]

It’s no secret that the Boston Celtics are among the many teams that would love to swing a deal to acquire Chicago’s Jimmy Butler.

Well for now at least, it appears the Bulls aren’t willing to budge off moving their all-star small forward.

A league source tells CSNNE.com that the Bulls, while still open to listening to offers for Butler, are telling teams that are inquiring about his availability that their plan for now is to keep him in the fold.

And while there was some thought that a top-3 pick coupled with a few decent players might be enough to entice the Bulls to pull the trigger on a deal to trade Butler, CSNNE.com has been told such an offer would have to include at least one “legitimate, NBA starter” for the Bulls to even possibly consider trading him.

“And that might be a stretch,” the source indicated.

CSN New England

I can't speak for the credibility of the source, but that's actually affirmation from the source that Butler is available. If a player isn't available, you don't discuss his hypothetical cost.

[Skin]

Teague! In that hypothetical situation above with Horford and Durant, we could trade Vuc for Teague, and have a quality PG who's contract expires after that season and leaves us room to chase another big FA.

But I can't see Atlanta helping us add a final piece like that as a conference rival.

Here's a thought along those lines.. Just a spur of the moment thought...

Trade for Jrue Holiday.

- Amid grumblings that NOR was duped by PHI who knew Holiday was damaged goods....
- Holiday being used as a bench player last season...
- Injury prone label...
- NOR's success level failing expectations...
- Tim Frazier came on strong for them in the last 2 months.

These are a few reasons why Holiday may be available in trade talks. But why would we want him?

- He's still just 25 years old.
- His season got cut short this year, but that was due to an eye injury.. not a leg injury.
- Had a slow start to the season, but was on fire towards the end. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday
- Fits the defensive mold that Skiles prefers, while also being an effective shooter. 37% career 3P%.
- Will be a FA in 2017. Low risk/Short term investment.
- Didn't make a fuss coming off the bench... was a contender for 6th man award.

Vucevic is a guy that would probably get that deal done. Vuc is a guy that fits next to Anthony Davis. NOR fans showed interest in the Trades and Transactions Forum.

[Bensational]

Teague! In that hypothetical situation above with Horford and Durant, we could trade Vuc for Teague, and have a quality PG who's contract expires after that season and leaves us room to chase another big FA.

But I can't see Atlanta helping us add a final piece like that as a conference rival.

Here's a thought along those lines.. Just a spur of the moment thought...

Trade for Jrue Holiday.

- Amid grumblings that NOR was duped by PHI who knew Holiday was damaged goods....
- Holiday being used as a bench player last season...
- Injury prone label...
- NOR's success level failing expectations...
- Tim Frazier came on strong for them in the last 2 months.

These are a few reasons why Holiday may be available in trade talks. But why would we want him?

- He's still just 25 years old.
- His season got cut short this year, but that was due to an eye injury.. not a leg injury.
- Had a slow start to the season, but was on fire towards the end. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday
- Fits the defensive mold that Skiles prefers, while also being an effective shooter. 37% career 3P%.
- Will be a FA in 2017. Low risk/Short term investment.
- Didn't make a fuss coming off the bench... was a contender for 6th man award.

Vucevic is a guy that would probably get that deal done. Vuc is a guy that fits next to Anthony Davis. NOR fans showed interest in the Trades and Transactions Forum.

I'm particularly averse to taking on injured players, so I'm probably the worst person to pitch that idea to, haha.

I'd want Jrue + Asik + 6 for Vuc + Watson + 11.

But even I question question the value of that deal.

Edit - no, scrap that. I hate that deal. Unless Henny sees a clear cut star available at #6.