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2025 NBA Draft

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What should we do?

Trade 1 of our picks for a Player
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24%
Trade both of our picks for Player
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39%
Trade both of our picks to move up in the draft
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20%
Trade our picks for future 1sts
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2%
Draft as is
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15%
 
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#961 » by eyriq » Sun Apr 27, 2025 1:47 pm

drsd wrote:Bored at work, so ....


#16:
2024 - Jared McCain - home run pick. Could be a future starter
2023 - Kobe Bufkin - 3rd stringer that could develop to a rotational player
2022 - AJ Griffin - not an NBA-level talent
2021 - Alperen Şengün - multi-year all-star talent
2020 - Isaiah Stewart - solid bench player
2019 - Chuma Okeke - why?
2018 - Zhaire Smith - already out of league
2017 - Justin Patton - already out of league
2016 - Guerschon Yabusele - amazing return to league; solid bench player
2015 - Terry Rozier - end of wonderful career as a starer
2014 - Jusuf Nurkić - end of wonderful career as a starer


#25
2024 - Pacôme Dadiet - not an NBA-level talent
2023 - Marcus Sasser - 3rd stringer that could develop to a rotational player
2022 - Blake Wesley - 3rd stringer that could be a deep bench player for several more years
2021 - Quentin Grimes - solid 6th man / marginal starter
2020 - Immanuel Quickley - solid 6th man / marginal starter
2019 - Nassir Little - not an NBA-level talent
2018 - Moritz Wagner - Orlando's OG
2017 - Anžejs Pasečņiks - already out of league
2016 - Brice Johnson - already out of league
2015 - Jarell Martin - already out of league
2014 - end of wonderful career as a marginal starer




In conclusion: Orlando needs to trade away one or both of these picks!



p.s. Orlando also has the #46 and #57 selections in this draft.


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To get a better idea of the value of picking at a slot it's preferable to look at a three pick window.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#962 » by drsd » Sun Apr 27, 2025 3:03 pm

eyriq wrote:To get a better idea of the value of picking at a slot it's preferable to look at a three pick window.




Well: that's why I looked over the last 11 years. :)
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#963 » by Idiosyncratic » Sun Apr 27, 2025 4:12 pm

drsd wrote:Bored at work, so ....


#16:
2024 - Jared McCain - home run pick. Could be a future starter
2023 - Kobe Bufkin - 3rd stringer that could develop to a rotational player
2022 - AJ Griffin - not an NBA-level talent
2021 - Alperen Şengün - multi-year all-star talent
2020 - Isaiah Stewart - solid bench player
2019 - Chuma Okeke - why?
2018 - Zhaire Smith - already out of league
2017 - Justin Patton - already out of league
2016 - Guerschon Yabusele - amazing return to league; solid bench player
2015 - Terry Rozier - end of wonderful career as a starer
2014 - Jusuf Nurkić - end of wonderful career as a starer


#25
2024 - Pacôme Dadiet - not an NBA-level talent
2023 - Marcus Sasser - 3rd stringer that could develop to a rotational player
2022 - Blake Wesley - 3rd stringer that could be a deep bench player for several more years
2021 - Quentin Grimes - solid 6th man / marginal starter
2020 - Immanuel Quickley - solid 6th man / marginal starter
2019 - Nassir Little - not an NBA-level talent
2018 - Moritz Wagner - Orlando's OG
2017 - Anžejs Pasečņiks - already out of league
2016 - Brice Johnson - already out of league
2015 - Jarell Martin - already out of league
2014 - end of wonderful career as a marginal starer




In conclusion: Orlando needs to trade away one or both of these picks!



p.s. Orlando also has the #46 and #57 selections in this draft.


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I think they need a trade this offseason, but general thoughts...

If you hit on a pick you have that player for 4 inexpensive years and then 1st dibs at extending them or matching any offer. So if the pick is even a 33% success rate, the fact that you get that player for potentially 8 years has to be worth something extra. Trading picks like this will net us likely someone on a short term deal where we will have to soon pay them a raise. We are not able to add a whole lot of salary going forward.

Not even to mention trading these kind of picks won't net us a great player, and the fact is that all players are subject to performance variance, not just young ones. There are no sure bets that aren't stars. For instance, you have Rozier on the list as a hit, the Heat traded a 1st for him as a vet and he then flopped. Caldwell-Pope flopped for us this year, Paul George for the Sixers etc.

This kind of analysis just says nothing IMO. We know most fail, but at the same time if you trade them all your team will fall apart quicker than it should unless you are the Lakers and get bailed out by a Luka trade for nothing I guess.

So yes, in order to get guard help we likely will have to move pick(s) or future pick(s), but we also will need future help from some draft picks or we will not be able to afford our roster. I am 100% on board with a trade because I think the offense is so inept that they have to get our guys help, so I agree with you, but I disagree with the reasoning.

There also is the xfactor of having a lot of your picks on hand and prospects worth something to go all in and deal for a really good player if the time comes.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#964 » by Idiosyncratic » Sun Apr 27, 2025 4:48 pm

Beringer is really raw, probably a project. I wouldn't mind taking a project at center with the hopes that they can surpass Wendell in a few years. I need to watch more tape on him though. He, Essengue and Penda feel like they could really rise as international prospects, maybe even Traore if he shows shooting in workouts. I liked De Larrea as a riser as well, but he isn't coming over.

Bogolijub Markovic is a 6'11 big that can really shoot it, but right now he is likely a 4. I still think if Paolo started using his size to rebound like he should then you could get away with a smaller C like Markovic at times, but even as a backup 4 he looks really interesting. Moves really well and has a nice shot.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#965 » by Rainwater » Sun Apr 27, 2025 4:50 pm

Say it with me: “Trade the picks, trade the picks!”.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#966 » by Skybox » Sun Apr 27, 2025 6:42 pm

Anyone have insights into what Thomas Sorber will look like as a pro? Is he a 4 or 5? He's an NCAA bruiser, but will that translate to the NBA?

Same, kind of, with Collin Murray-Boyles...is he a versatile 3/4/even sometimes small 5 defender - like an Isaac...or just a college-bully tweener?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#967 » by basketballRob » Sun Apr 27, 2025 7:41 pm

Skybox wrote:Anyone have insights into what Thomas Sorber will look like as a pro? Is he a 4 or 5? He's an NCAA bruiser, but will that translate to the NBA?

Same, kind of, with Collin Murray-Boyles...is he a versatile 3/4/even sometimes small 5 defender - like an Isaac...or just a college-bully tweener?
Sorber looks like a 5. He's definitely built like an NBA player.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#968 » by KillMonger » Sun Apr 27, 2025 8:16 pm

Rainwater wrote:Say it with me: “Trade the picks, trade the picks!”.
Some of them sure.... Not all of them

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#969 » by eyriq » Sun Apr 27, 2025 8:27 pm

I voted that we should make both picks but I can def see us trading one
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#970 » by T-Cat » Sun Apr 27, 2025 8:57 pm

KillMonger wrote:
Rainwater wrote:Say it with me: “Trade the picks, trade the picks!”.
Some of them sure.... Not all of them

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This draft is loaded with young talent and we need to find fresh new prospects to build alongside Paolo Banchero with.

If we get new front office this summer, I could see them trading away a player with value Suggs for a lottery type player such as Tre Johnson just to get under the cap because we also have to sign Paolo to his extension.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#971 » by KillMonger » Sun Apr 27, 2025 9:34 pm

eyriq wrote:I voted that we should make both picks but I can def see us trading one
With our upcoming financial situation? Draft picks are more valuable than you would think.... Cheap bodies you control for a while, even cheaper than vet mins.... We might need those

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#972 » by RookieStar » Sun Apr 27, 2025 10:33 pm

KillMonger wrote:
eyriq wrote:I voted that we should make both picks but I can def see us trading one
With our upcoming financial situation? Draft picks are more valuable than you would think.... Cheap bodies you control for a while, even cheaper than vet mins.... We might need those

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Or we use it in a package for a better vet player.

There are cheap bodies out there that can contribute like cojo as our end of bench guys rather than 2 or more rookies. We are still developing TDS after all. Can't imagine a team like ours gunning for a top-3 EC finish having 3 developing rooks/soph.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#973 » by T-Cat » Sun Apr 27, 2025 11:22 pm

RookieStar wrote:
KillMonger wrote:
eyriq wrote:I voted that we should make both picks but I can def see us trading one
With our upcoming financial situation? Draft picks are more valuable than you would think.... Cheap bodies you control for a while, even cheaper than vet mins.... We might need those

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Or we use it in a package for a better vet player.

There are cheap bodies out there that can contribute like cojo as our end of bench guys rather than 2 or more rookies. We are still developing TDS after all. Can't imagine a team like ours gunning for a top-3 EC finish having 3 developing rooks/soph.


If Orlando Magic are horrible at draft players sure, but this is a loaded draft and a chance to get impact players for the foreseeable future.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#974 » by KillMonger » Mon Apr 28, 2025 4:09 am

RookieStar wrote:
KillMonger wrote:
eyriq wrote:I voted that we should make both picks but I can def see us trading one
With our upcoming financial situation? Draft picks are more valuable than you would think.... Cheap bodies you control for a while, even cheaper than vet mins.... We might need those

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Or we use it in a package for a better vet player.

There are cheap bodies out there that can contribute like cojo as our end of bench guys rather than 2 or more rookies. We are still developing TDS after all. Can't imagine a team like ours gunning for a top-3 EC finish having 3 developing rooks/soph.
If we can afford them no problem but things are going to get really tight around here

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#975 » by RookieStar » Mon Apr 28, 2025 5:13 am

KillMonger wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
KillMonger wrote:With our upcoming financial situation? Draft picks are more valuable than you would think.... Cheap bodies you control for a while, even cheaper than vet mins.... We might need those

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Or we use it in a package for a better vet player.

There are cheap bodies out there that can contribute like cojo as our end of bench guys rather than 2 or more rookies. We are still developing TDS after all. Can't imagine a team like ours gunning for a top-3 EC finish having 3 developing rooks/soph.
If we can afford them no problem but things are going to get really tight around here

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Creative financing. Lol
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#976 » by fendilim » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:27 am

Markovic reminds me of Poku…
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Post#977 » by Idiosyncratic » Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:04 pm

fendilim wrote:Markovic reminds me of Poku…


Lol, could see that a little. I think his shot mechanics are a lot more clean. He would be a perfect pick and pop C if he was big enough to play C, the fact that he is likely a 4 is what I struggle with.

Poku would have been a fine pick as a 2nd rounder, which is where I think Markovic should go right now.
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Post#978 » by pepe1991 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 4:14 pm

fendilim wrote:Markovic reminds me of Poku…


Eh. Beefy calfs, muscular frame, bit robotic.

Pokuševski is fluid, but my God guy has anorexia. Borderline creepy how skinny he is.
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Post#979 » by RookieStar » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:17 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
fendilim wrote:Markovic reminds me of Poku…


Eh. Beefy calfs, muscular frame, bit robotic.

Pokuševski is fluid, but my God guy has anorexia. Borderline creepy how skinny he is.


Is this the same Markovic that has a profile of 6'11 and 190lbs?

How could he have muscular frame and beefy calfs with that profile?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#980 » by fendilim » Tue Apr 29, 2025 1:37 am

RookieStar wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
fendilim wrote:Markovic reminds me of Poku…


Eh. Beefy calfs, muscular frame, bit robotic.

Pokuševski is fluid, but my God guy has anorexia. Borderline creepy how skinny he is.


Is this the same Markovic that has a profile of 6'11 and 190lbs?

How could he have muscular frame and beefy calfs with that profile?
well, compared to Poku, he is beefy lol
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