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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#981 » by J_Magic » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:50 pm

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zaymon wrote:Fournier was always one of the leaders in our hustle stats. He gets the toughest defensive assingments on team, even harder than Gordon. Yes he is not the most strong or athletic player but his motor is rarely down.
He hustles but just isn't physically capable of being a good defender.

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Defense doesnt matter if he can turn into prime Nash in the future. Best for of defense is offense and making players around you better. You learn how to move the ball around quick...the opposition gets gassed faster.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#982 » by zaymon » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:52 pm

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zaymon wrote:Fournier was always one of the leaders in our hustle stats. He gets the toughest defensive assingments on team, even harder than Gordon. Yes he is not the most strong or athletic player but his motor is rarely down.
He hustles but just isn't physically capable of being a good defender.

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He is 6'7 and hustles. Thats better than big part of current nba wing crop. His defensive struggles are overblown
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#983 » by Bergmaniac » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:09 pm

Discussing Fournier with basketballRob is beyond useless.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#984 » by pepe1991 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:27 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:Discussing Fournier with basketballRob is beyond useless.


discussing basketball*

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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#985 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:37 pm

GOOD JOB YOUNG FELLA! Hope this is a confidence boost for Cole! There is so much to come in my opinion!
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#986 » by Knightro » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:54 pm

Anthony has quietly made 7-13 3PT over the last three games.

I don’t think he’s going to be a spectacular Seth Curry-level shooter this year or anything like that, but you can just watch him shoot from distance compared to someone like Fultz and see that mechanically Cole has better shooting ability than he’s shown percentage wise this year.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see his % tick up into the low-mid 30s over the next few months.
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Post#987 » by JBSouthpaw » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:41 pm

“I’m happy, obviously, especially with the fact that it’s Cole that won the game for us,” Fournier said later. “That’s going to boost his confidence. I’m happy for him. The kid’s a worker.

“I think it can only help,” Clifford said. “He’ll get better. He has the right attitude and he’s learning the NBA and he’s making good progress.”

Anthony finished with 13 points, seven rebounds, three assists and just one turnover.

“I really don’t think I’m anywhere close to where I want to be,” he said. “I think I still honestly have a long way to go. Is that 15 games now? Yeah. I feel like I’ve learned a lot, and I feel like I have two times as much to learn now.

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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#988 » by basketballRob » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:51 pm

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basketballRob wrote:
zaymon wrote:Fournier was always one of the leaders in our hustle stats. He gets the toughest defensive assingments on team, even harder than Gordon. Yes he is not the most strong or athletic player but his motor is rarely down.
He hustles but just isn't physically capable of being a good defender.

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Defense doesnt matter if he can turn into prime Nash in the future. Best for of defense is offense and making players around you better. You learn how to move the ball around quick...the opposition gets gassed faster.
It's rare that he's good enough on offense to make up for his defense.

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Post#989 » by JojoSlimbiid » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:12 pm

Not gonna lie I stopped watching a few games ago and it was mostly because of Cole. He seemed like the worst rotational player in the league and still might be.....but I'll be damn if I'm not happy the kid made that shot and had a game like that. The shot was on point yesterday and I hope it gives him some confidence. His defense is better than expected but everything else has been bad....all that can change if the jumper starts falling.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#990 » by Knightro » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:44 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Not gonna lie I stopped watching a few games ago and it was mostly because of Cole. He seemed like the worst rotational player in the league and still might be.....but I'll be damn if I'm not happy the kid made that shot and had a game like that. The shot was on point yesterday and I hope it gives him some confidence. His defense is better than expected but everything else has been bad....all that can change if the jumper starts falling.


A lot of rookies just really suck, especially early in their rookie year when they are overwhelmed with the size, speed, athleticism adjustment.

Here are some of Anthony's peers.

Edwards: .359 FG, .275 3PT
Hayes: .277 FG, .250 3PT
Maledon: .381 FG, .298 3PT
Nesmith: .217 FG%, .188 3PT
Okoro: .397 FG%, .333 3PT

A lot of people have been falling over themselves over Tyrese Maxey, but even that kid is 2-15 from three since that monster game he had on Jan 9th and is down to 27% from three for the year.

There's gonna be a lot of ups and downs for a lot of these guys. Anthony wasn't even a lottery pick. He's gonna have a lot of variance in his play night to night. All we can hope for is gradual improvement as he gets more experience.

Here's a play he did last night that actually encouraged me.



Now don't get me wrong. This is NOT the most efficient shot in the world. A midrange jumper, even a short one like this, isn't the best shot for the offense.

But it still was a sign of growth to me. A week ago, this would have been an awkward, forced floater off one foot that Cole would almost certainly have missed.

A very little thing in the grand scheme of things, but hopefully a sign of Cole starting to figure out where he can and can't have success.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#991 » by Knightro » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:17 am

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Post#992 » by MagicFan101 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:06 am

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lol, I just saw that. I would have guessed the son of an NBA played would have a greater history of basketball players to him.

Basically Mamba mentality + default to Lebron.
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Post#993 » by VFX » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:12 am

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I’m going to go ahead and assume Cole Anthony never watched Nash or Stockton for the best passer.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#994 » by Knightro » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:18 am

MagicFan101 wrote:lol, I just saw that. I would have guessed the son of an NBA played would have a greater history of basketball players to him.

Basically Mamba mentality + default to Lebron.


Weltman touched on this right after the pick was made actually. Cole wasn't really old enough to be around his dad or any of the guys his dad played against while his dad was still playing.

Greg Anthony's last NBA game was at the end of the 2002 season, but Cole hadn't even turned 2 yet.

For comparison's sake, Dell Curry's last NBA game was also at the end of the 2002 season, but Stephen and Seth Curry were already 14 and 12 years old respectively. Both Curry boys would have grown up on the Jordan second three peat.

By the time Cole was old enough to know really even know what was going on, Kobe already had three rings and LeBron had already been to the NBA Finals once :o
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#995 » by MagicFan101 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:22 am

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MagicFan101 wrote:lol, I just saw that. I would have guessed the son of an NBA played would have a greater history of basketball players to him.

Basically Mamba mentality + default to Lebron.


Weltman touched on this right after the pick was made actually. Cole wasn't really old enough to be around his dad or any of the guys his dad played against while his dad was still playing.

Greg Anthony's last NBA game was in at the end of the 2002 season, but Cole hadn't even turned 2 yet.

For comparison's sake, Dell Curry's last NBA game was also in at the end of the 2002 season, but Stephen and Seth Curry were already 14 and 12 years old respectively. Both Curry boys would have grown up on the Jordan second three peat.

By the time Cole was old enough to know really even know what was going on, Kobe already had three rings and LeBron had already been to the NBA Finals once :o


That’s interesting.

Still, I guess everyone is different but if basketball is your passion wouldn’t you want to go back and learn more about the history? Study the greats and learn from them?

Perhaps he did and perhaps he truly believes Lebron is the best at everything. That isn’t the impression I got listening to him but perhaps that is the case.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#996 » by pepe1991 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:08 am

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JojoSlimbiid wrote:Not gonna lie I stopped watching a few games ago and it was mostly because of Cole. He seemed like the worst rotational player in the league and still might be.....but I'll be damn if I'm not happy the kid made that shot and had a game like that. The shot was on point yesterday and I hope it gives him some confidence. His defense is better than expected but everything else has been bad....all that can change if the jumper starts falling.


A lot of rookies just really suck, especially early in their rookie year when they are overwhelmed with the size, speed, athleticism adjustment.

Here are some of Anthony's peers.

Edwards: .359 FG, .275 3PT
Hayes: .277 FG, .250 3PT
Maledon: .381 FG, .298 3PT
Nesmith: .217 FG%, .188 3PT
Okoro: .397 FG%, .333 3PT

A lot of people have been falling over themselves over Tyrese Maxey, but even that kid is 2-15 from three since that monster game he had on Jan 9th and is down to 27% from three for the year.

There's gonna be a lot of ups and downs for a lot of these guys. Anthony wasn't even a lottery pick. He's gonna have a lot of variance in his play night to night. All we can hope for is gradual improvement as he gets more experience.

Here's a play he did last night that actually encouraged me.



Now don't get me wrong. This is NOT the most efficient shot in the world. A midrange jumper, even a short one like this, isn't the best shot for the offense.

But it still was a sign of growth to me. A week ago, this would have been an awkward, forced floater off one foot that Cole would almost certainly have missed.

A very little thing in the grand scheme of things, but hopefully a sign of Cole starting to figure out where he can and can't have success.


208 nba players suited this year to play.
Cole Anthony is ranked 206th in TS%.

Worst than him? Not a single rookie.

edit: after new refresh, he is 207th among 208. Ish Smith only worst.

He is also 10th worst in BPM and 9th worst in win share.

But naturally, if you give monkey endless amount of time and the pen, he might write Hamlet...one day.

I'll give him credit for hitting 3 point shot that ended up being buzzerbeater. But 15 games in,as player, he has been below replacment level player, by wide margin. Magic going into a season without backup is just another self served kick in nuts from Weltman and Hammond. Trying to make playoffs with Fultz and rookie PG in rotation is like trying to win a race while overeating at mcdonalds for last year and half.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#997 » by CarraT » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:41 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:Not gonna lie I stopped watching a few games ago and it was mostly because of Cole. He seemed like the worst rotational player in the league and still might be.....but I'll be damn if I'm not happy the kid made that shot and had a game like that. The shot was on point yesterday and I hope it gives him some confidence. His defense is better than expected but everything else has been bad....all that can change if the jumper starts falling.


A lot of rookies just really suck, especially early in their rookie year when they are overwhelmed with the size, speed, athleticism adjustment.

Here are some of Anthony's peers.

Edwards: .359 FG, .275 3PT
Hayes: .277 FG, .250 3PT
Maledon: .381 FG, .298 3PT
Nesmith: .217 FG%, .188 3PT
Okoro: .397 FG%, .333 3PT

A lot of people have been falling over themselves over Tyrese Maxey, but even that kid is 2-15 from three since that monster game he had on Jan 9th and is down to 27% from three for the year.

There's gonna be a lot of ups and downs for a lot of these guys. Anthony wasn't even a lottery pick. He's gonna have a lot of variance in his play night to night. All we can hope for is gradual improvement as he gets more experience.

Here's a play he did last night that actually encouraged me.



Now don't get me wrong. This is NOT the most efficient shot in the world. A midrange jumper, even a short one like this, isn't the best shot for the offense.

But it still was a sign of growth to me. A week ago, this would have been an awkward, forced floater off one foot that Cole would almost certainly have missed.

A very little thing in the grand scheme of things, but hopefully a sign of Cole starting to figure out where he can and can't have success.


208 nba players suited this year to play.
Cole Anthony is ranked 206th in TS%.

Worst than him? Not a single rookie.


Check your facts. What about Aaron Nesmith? TS% 28.3, Cole is at TS% 43.3
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#998 » by pepe1991 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:52 am

CarraT wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
A lot of rookies just really suck, especially early in their rookie year when they are overwhelmed with the size, speed, athleticism adjustment.

Here are some of Anthony's peers.

Edwards: .359 FG, .275 3PT
Hayes: .277 FG, .250 3PT
Maledon: .381 FG, .298 3PT
Nesmith: .217 FG%, .188 3PT
Okoro: .397 FG%, .333 3PT

A lot of people have been falling over themselves over Tyrese Maxey, but even that kid is 2-15 from three since that monster game he had on Jan 9th and is down to 27% from three for the year.

There's gonna be a lot of ups and downs for a lot of these guys. Anthony wasn't even a lottery pick. He's gonna have a lot of variance in his play night to night. All we can hope for is gradual improvement as he gets more experience.

Here's a play he did last night that actually encouraged me.



Now don't get me wrong. This is NOT the most efficient shot in the world. A midrange jumper, even a short one like this, isn't the best shot for the offense.

But it still was a sign of growth to me. A week ago, this would have been an awkward, forced floater off one foot that Cole would almost certainly have missed.

A very little thing in the grand scheme of things, but hopefully a sign of Cole starting to figure out where he can and can't have success.


208 nba players suited this year to play.
Cole Anthony is ranked 206th in TS%.

Worst than him? Not a single rookie.


Check your facts. What about Aaron Nesmith? TS% 28.3, Cole is at TS% 43.3


Didn't take enough shots/ played enough min to qualifty. That's why there is only 208 players, not +330 who actually suited up.

Nesmith took 23 shots in 5 games total. Cole Anthony took 163 shots.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#999 » by CarraT » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:09 am

pepe1991 wrote:
CarraT wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
208 nba players suited this year to play.
Cole Anthony is ranked 206th in TS%.

Worst than him? Not a single rookie.


Check your facts. What about Aaron Nesmith? TS% 28.3, Cole is at TS% 43.3


Didn't take enough shots/ played enough min to qualifty. That's why there is only 208 players, not +330 who actually suited up.

Nesmith took 23 shots in 5 games total. Cole Anthony took 163 shots.


Then don´t say "208 nba players suited this year to play.Cole Anthony is ranked 206th" ;)
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1000 » by pepe1991 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:12 am

CarraT wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
CarraT wrote:
Check your facts. What about Aaron Nesmith? TS% 28.3, Cole is at TS% 43.3


Didn't take enough shots/ played enough min to qualifty. That's why there is only 208 players, not +330 who actually suited up.

Nesmith took 23 shots in 5 games total. Cole Anthony took 163 shots.


Then don´t say "208 nba players suited this year to play.Cole Anthony is ranked 206th" ;)


That's how basketball reference counts it. 208 are active rotation players.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_advanced.html#advanced_stats::ts_pct

140 min was minimum required min they used.
Witch is fair, Bamba basically did not play, but has 33 min combined, despite that, his sample size is way,way too low to talk about him or count him.
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