Official Spec Thread: I guess now's the time to blow this dumpster fire up and bask in the glow!

[thelead]

Forum is already wasteland, 5 weeks after a trade... it will be such a "fun" reading 3 pages of game threads next year and listening how Kuminga's jumpshot looked over broomstick at practice...

are you still bitching that we traded your favorite losers?

Seems like team is very good at losing without them

Right. We didn't need them... in fact, they were hurting our tank by winning too much (but could never win more than half their games). I agree that we'll be in trouble if we're hoping for Kuminga's jumpshot to improve but we weren't heading anywhere with the roster we had. The FO made the right call to by breaking up the team. We just have to hope for draft luck... and to be honest, 22 year old WCJ isn't any worse than 22 year old Vuc. In fact, I prefer WCJ at the same age. Evan was going to likely leave, and AG asked for a trade. I'm not sure what you want out of this team right now.

[pepe1991]

are you still bitching that we traded your favorite losers?

Seems like team is very good at losing without them

Right. We didn't need them... in fact, they were hurting our tank by winning too much (but could never win more than half their games). I agree that we'll be in trouble if we're hoping for Kuminga's jumpshot to improve but we weren't heading anywhere with the roster we had. The FO made the right call to by breaking up the team. We just have to hope for draft luck... and to be honest, 22 year old WCJ isn't any worse than 22 year old Vuc. In fact, I prefer WCJ at the same age. Evan was going to likely leave, and AG asked for a trade. I'm not sure what you want out of this team right now.

What i want? Nothing. Because that's execlly what they are now. G league roster with probably zero starting level players in this moment. And closest thing to starter is Isaac, who spent more time in hospital than on the floor.

As for trade, once upon a time Payton, Vuc , Gordon , Harris were all "future" and "better than previous era" until it turned out they are not. Hitting reset button is fine, it's easiest way how to sell illusion of "bright future" while sitting in room of ashes. That doesn't mean future is guaranteed to be any better than past.
And their "past" is just continuation of same approach to rebuild they had in past- sucking for ping pong balls. This is how Magic got FIVE top 6 picks in 7 years. And not a single one of them pulled them away from missery. Case and point- added former 1# pick two years after he was " can't miss prospect" -who just happend to miss.

As i've said, i don't even bother watching them, and by looking how many activity there is on forums ( OPP; reddit, here) - nobody else does.

[pepe1991]

Btw this " didn't tank properly in past that's why they failed" is notorious lie and agenda people try to push to justfy new suckings.

2012-13 Magic had THE WORST record in nba.
2013-14 Third worst record.
2014-15 5th worst
2016-17 5th worst
2017-18 5th worst

So 2 out of 5 years they had top 3 worst record and 5 out of 5 times- top 5 worst.

Even Minessote menaged to pull their balls out of lottery in that time period once.

[basketballRob]

I think 80-90% percent of the people here are happy with blowing up the team.

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[pepe1991]

I think 80-90% percent of the people here are happy with blowing up the team.

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80% of people were happy after we traded Sabonis and Oladipo for Ibaka.
90% of people were happy when we traded Harris so Gordon can turn into Paul George.

Being in majority doesn't make any more right or wrong, just gives people sense of justification of opinion. But at end of a day, it's just opinion.
Hint- Hitler and democratic elections.

[GelbeWand09]

Nobody cared for the former team too. We had like 3 pages game threads earlier in the season with the 3 Amigos. The only activity here were pro / anti Vuc & try the same the 6th year in a row or rebuild/retool discussions.

There is nothing to talk about because we chose finally a direction. We are now in the strange time between the trades & the draft, with a team full of placeholders for our new team at the end of the season. The forum is just not divided in 2 parts anymore. We now chose a path & 50% are now happy and wait for the lottery & the other 50% have no reason to discuss anymore & wait for the new players too. One side doesnt need to rant any more & the other side doesnt need to defend anymore. Its absolute logical that the activity isnt high in this weird in between stage of the rebuild. The old core is gone, the new one isnt here yet.

[pepe1991]

Nobody cared for the former team too. We had like 3 pages game threads earlier in the season with the 3 Amigos. The only activity here were pro / anti Vuc & try the same the 6th year in a row or rebuild/retool discussions.

There is nothing to talk about because we chose finally a direction. We are now in the strange time between the trades & the draft, with a team full of placeholders for our new team at the end of the season. The forum is just not divided in 2 parts anymore. We now chose a path & 50% are now happy and wait for the lottery & the other 50% have no reason to discuss anymore & wait for the new players too. One side doesnt need to rant any more & the other side doesnt need to defend anymore. Thats absolute normal. The old core is gone, the new one isnt here yet.

And allegedly exited fans to watch rookies who are thrilled to watch Cole Anthony and Okeke take 15 shots a night.... don't really watch Orlando any more because they can't endure watching team getting murdered by Rio Grande Valley Vipers ..oh i mean, Houston Rockets.

Go figure.

You would think that after last 3 years of constant bitching, moaning and crying about Vuc and Evan and endless " i can't watch this any more" , " trade them" and other posts people would be enjoying watching this " new guys " play. Instad, in game vs houston, there was like 5 pages of actual game comments. And 80% of comments how team needs to lose.

Year will pass, and in about year and half from now, whole forum will be b***ing how tanking is pointless. That's execlly what most of the forum was doing in 2018, during last tanking. But as soon as Magic started to gear up for playoffs- fans got "boared with mediocrity" ,despite team tanking for 6 previous years in a row.

[MagicStarwipe]

pepe, you're trying so hard to make your narrative true. More people are watching games now than were watching before the trade.

[basketballRob]

Delete

[pepe1991]

pepe, you're trying so hard to make your narrative true. More people are watching games now than were watching before the trade.

Even if you refresh first page, you can see that most of the threads have 1-3 new comments a day.
Game thread between Magic and Raptors had 134 comments, same opponent when we were 8-12 during start of the season,but after injuries, had 184 comments.

My narative is always same, cold blooded facts over feelings.

If somebody has daily traffic data, feel free to share. Since i joined the forum to this date, i have never seen less traffic here. I was there yesterday, and logged in today, and almost all threads had no new replys. It got so awkward that i thought i got banned again

Even new entery topic from Ben, that had very nice writeup about theory of veteran PG, had amazing total of TWO replys. Entery post, 2 replys and since i saw nobody will even bother to say anything , i posted something. But it looks like thread is dead.
Only semi active threads are this one , with very random comments and no serious discussion about anything, around nba and two tanking and lottery related topics.

Each and every single player- thread- died off.

[thelead]

pepe, you're trying so hard to make your narrative true. More people are watching games now than were watching before the trade.

Even if you refresh first page, you can see that most of the threads have 1-3 new comments a day.
Game thread between Magic and Raptors had 134 comments, same opponent when we were 8-12 during start of the season,but after injuries, had 184 comments.

My narative is always same, cold blooded facts over feelings.

If somebody has daily traffic data, feel free to share. Since i joined the forum to this date, i have never seen less traffic here. I was there yesterday, and logged in today, and almost all threads had no new replys. It got so awkward that i thought i got banned again

Just because we're not posting doesn't mean we've lost interest. There's just not much to talk about right now as we wind down the season with a ton of losses. Hell, last night I watched a ton of NBA basketball because the games could affect our outcome. I was streaming 3 games at once on my computer

Edit: Basically what GelbeWand09 said

[Def Swami]

I think most of the hardcore Magic fans who follow the team day in and day out are more excited and interested in the franchise than they were to start the season. Just because activity on the forum is down, doesn't mean the interest isn't there. There's 15 games left in a lost season where we're trying to tank for a high draft pick. There's not much to talk about there. We're not going to learn a whole lot from these games. And as a fan for the last 30 years, I'm okay with this. The last iteration of the Magic reached its ceiling as a team. It was more than time to move on.

It sucks, but our season effectively ended when Fultz tore his ACL. It was always going to be a slog without Isaac as well. Vucevic was carrying us for most of the season. And in a context with NBA veterans who are trying to win games, you can make some deductions about the players and the team and the fit. But now, with half the team either traded or injured or waived, in the middle of this lost season, it's hard to really draw anything out of these final games. You can't take them seriously. But, again, that's okay.

If the Magic land a top 4 pick, get Isaac back healthy, I'll be more interested in the '21-'22 season than any season since maybe the '11-'12 season.

[Skin]

Somebody call the waaaambulance?

[uraverage]

Somebody call the waaaambulance?

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[BCS]

Interest will start coming back around lottery time and if we luck into a top pick than through the draft and so on...

Right now we need to lose, "rest" players, etc...but it is all for the greater good. It makes sense that there is not much activity as we are nearing the end...all we care about right now is results aka losses, that is why you will see more activity after the game and such...it only makes sense.

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[Skin]

Seems like team is very good at losing without them

Right. We didn't need them... in fact, they were hurting our tank by winning too much (but could never win more than half their games). I agree that we'll be in trouble if we're hoping for Kuminga's jumpshot to improve but we weren't heading anywhere with the roster we had. The FO made the right call to by breaking up the team. We just have to hope for draft luck... and to be honest, 22 year old WCJ isn't any worse than 22 year old Vuc. In fact, I prefer WCJ at the same age. Evan was going to likely leave, and AG asked for a trade. I'm not sure what you want out of this team right now.

What i want? Nothing. Because that's execlly what they are now. G league roster with probably zero starting level players in this moment. And closest thing to starter is Isaac, who spent more time in hospital than on the floor.

As for trade, once upon a time Payton, Vuc , Gordon , Harris were all "future" and "better than previous era" until it turned out they are not. Hitting reset button is fine, it's easiest way how to sell illusion of "bright future" while sitting in room of ashes. That doesn't mean future is guaranteed to be any better than past.
And their "past" is just continuation of same approach to rebuild they had in past- sucking for ping pong balls. This is how Magic got FIVE top 6 picks in 7 years. And not a single one of them pulled them away from missery. Case and point- added former 1# pick two years after he was " can't miss prospect" -who just happend to miss.

As i've said, i don't even bother watching them, and by looking how many activity there is on forums ( OPP; reddit, here) - nobody else does.

What did we lose? Championship pieces? You're so into your own brain that it's trapped you from reality. Vuc can't even help Chicago make a little improvement, Fournier was gone after the season and Gordon... wait you're complaining about losing him now???

The return we got in every trade was a WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN.

WIN in draft pick compensation.
WIN in salary dump.
WIN in tanking purposes.
WIN in getting Carter who is a C that is much easier to build a team around.
WIN in giving opportunities for new young players to develop.
WIN in creating space for new leadership to emerge.

Building through the draft is not an exercise in failure. You can find championship teams and contenders that have done it in the past and present.

[Skin]

pepe, you're trying so hard to make your narrative true. More people are watching games now than were watching before the trade.

Even if you refresh first page, you can see that most of the threads have 1-3 new comments a day.
Game thread between Magic and Raptors had 134 comments, same opponent when we were 8-12 during start of the season,but after injuries, had 184 comments.

My narative is always same, cold blooded facts over feelings.

If somebody has daily traffic data, feel free to share. Since i joined the forum to this date, i have never seen less traffic here. I was there yesterday, and logged in today, and almost all threads had no new replys. It got so awkward that i thought i got banned again

Even new entery topic from Ben, that had very nice writeup about theory of veteran PG, had amazing total of TWO replys. Entery post, 2 replys and since i saw nobody will even bother to say anything , i posted something. But it looks like thread is dead.
Only semi active threads are this one , with very random comments and no serious discussion about anything, around nba and two tanking and lottery related topics.

Each and every single player- thread- died off.

Game threads down, Draft thread and Ping Pong thread UP UP UP!

[pepe1991]

Right. We didn't need them... in fact, they were hurting our tank by winning too much (but could never win more than half their games). I agree that we'll be in trouble if we're hoping for Kuminga's jumpshot to improve but we weren't heading anywhere with the roster we had. The FO made the right call to by breaking up the team. We just have to hope for draft luck... and to be honest, 22 year old WCJ isn't any worse than 22 year old Vuc. In fact, I prefer WCJ at the same age. Evan was going to likely leave, and AG asked for a trade. I'm not sure what you want out of this team right now.

What i want? Nothing. Because that's execlly what they are now. G league roster with probably zero starting level players in this moment. And closest thing to starter is Isaac, who spent more time in hospital than on the floor.

As for trade, once upon a time Payton, Vuc , Gordon , Harris were all "future" and "better than previous era" until it turned out they are not. Hitting reset button is fine, it's easiest way how to sell illusion of "bright future" while sitting in room of ashes. That doesn't mean future is guaranteed to be any better than past.
And their "past" is just continuation of same approach to rebuild they had in past- sucking for ping pong balls. This is how Magic got FIVE top 6 picks in 7 years. And not a single one of them pulled them away from missery. Case and point- added former 1# pick two years after he was " can't miss prospect" -who just happend to miss.

As i've said, i don't even bother watching them, and by looking how many activity there is on forums ( OPP; reddit, here) - nobody else does.

What did we lose? Championship pieces? You're so into your own brain that it's trapped you from reality. Vuc can't even help Chicago make a little improvement, Fournier was gone after the season and Gordon... wait you're complaining about losing him now???

The return we got in every trade was a WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN.

WIN in draft pick compensation.
WIN in salary dump.
WIN in tanking purposes.
WIN in getting Carter who is a C that is much easier to build a team around.
WIN in giving opportunities for new young players to develop.
WIN in creating space for new leadership to emerge.

Building through the draft is not an exercise in failure. You can find championship teams and contenders that have done it in the past and present.

2012-13 worst record. Magic got new Dwayne Wade.
2014 one of worst season in team history. Magic got new Kawhi Leonard.
2015 one of worst season in team hitory. Magic got Euro Kobe.
2017 one of worst seasons in team history, Magic got defensive Durant
2018 one of worst seasons in team history, Magic got Gobert with 3 point shot

It all sounded so promising and amazing...

On side note you are actually getting exited about Wendel Carter? You know, guy who Magic could flat out draft if they wanted to in 2018?

From 2012 to 2021 Magic didn't change strategy, it's execlly the same strategy. Tanking and building through draft. This time around it's just 9th time in a row where fools will be fooled.

[pepe1991]

pepe, you're trying so hard to make your narrative true. More people are watching games now than were watching before the trade.

Even if you refresh first page, you can see that most of the threads have 1-3 new comments a day.
Game thread between Magic and Raptors had 134 comments, same opponent when we were 8-12 during start of the season,but after injuries, had 184 comments.

My narative is always same, cold blooded facts over feelings.

If somebody has daily traffic data, feel free to share. Since i joined the forum to this date, i have never seen less traffic here. I was there yesterday, and logged in today, and almost all threads had no new replys. It got so awkward that i thought i got banned again

Even new entery topic from Ben, that had very nice writeup about theory of veteran PG, had amazing total of TWO replys. Entery post, 2 replys and since i saw nobody will even bother to say anything , i posted something. But it looks like thread is dead.
Only semi active threads are this one , with very random comments and no serious discussion about anything, around nba and two tanking and lottery related topics.

Each and every single player- thread- died off.

Game threads down, Draft thread and Ping Pong thread UP UP UP!

So, nobody waches young players that play, but want to add more young players so they can countinue to not watch them and wanting even more young players ? Tnx for making my point for me. 2012-13 had 63% drop in viewership because nobody wanted to watch team suck. 2013, despite landing 2# pick had worst team's revenue in last 15 years. 2015, in moments when team had THREE top 5 picks, still nobody watched team.
Despite adding 4 lottery picks in 3 years, team was still garbage that nobody watched all the way until 2018 and first playoff in 6 years when tv ratings saw first boom.

Just to go back to rock bottom, again.

[thelead]

Even if you refresh first page, you can see that most of the threads have 1-3 new comments a day.
Game thread between Magic and Raptors had 134 comments, same opponent when we were 8-12 during start of the season,but after injuries, had 184 comments.

My narative is always same, cold blooded facts over feelings.

If somebody has daily traffic data, feel free to share. Since i joined the forum to this date, i have never seen less traffic here. I was there yesterday, and logged in today, and almost all threads had no new replys. It got so awkward that i thought i got banned again

Even new entery topic from Ben, that had very nice writeup about theory of veteran PG, had amazing total of TWO replys. Entery post, 2 replys and since i saw nobody will even bother to say anything , i posted something. But it looks like thread is dead.
Only semi active threads are this one , with very random comments and no serious discussion about anything, around nba and two tanking and lottery related topics.

Each and every single player- thread- died off.

Game threads down, Draft thread and Ping Pong thread UP UP UP!

So, nobody waches young players that play, but want to add more young players so they can countinue to not watch them and wanting even more young players ? Tnx for making my point for me. 2012-13 had 63% drop in viewership because nobody wanted to watch team suck. 2013, despite landing 2# pick had worst team's revenue in last 15 years. 2015, in moments when team had THREE top 5 picks, still nobody watched team.
Despite adding 4 lottery picks in 3 years, team was still garbage that nobody watched all the way until 2018 and first playoff in 6 years when tv ratings saw first boom.

Just to go back to rock bottom, again.

Why the F do you care about ratings and interest?