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Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October

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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#981 » by Bensational » Tue Oct 1, 2024 1:13 am

anothermagicfan wrote:Question for the salary cap experts here.
If we sign Suggs now to a new deal would that limit the available cap space in the next free agency period? Like is there an advantage for us to wait until next off-season for more cap flexibility or does it come down to they just can't agree on a number or other terms?


If a deal isn’t reached before next offseason Suggs’ contract becomes a $27M cap hold- which could be the floor for offers he’s looking for. So we might even be better off making other moves before extending him if we end up paying him more than that.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#982 » by RookieStar » Tue Oct 1, 2024 1:55 am

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RookieStar wrote:Is it just me or is it the thought of a guy with leg issues gaining 30lbs kinda scary?

Sure but his skinny legs scared me as well.


Of thoae 30lbs were in his legs then i would be less worried. But based on the media day pics we know that it isnt the case.

So.more stress on those skinny legs
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#984 » by RichCollab » Tue Oct 1, 2024 4:46 am

Suggs isn’t replaceable. Lock him up! I expect 27 -32 million per year.

4 for 120 million. Hopefully the front office isn’t sitting on something much lower.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#985 » by pepe1991 » Tue Oct 1, 2024 5:10 am

RookieStar wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Is it just me or is it the thought of a guy with leg issues gaining 30lbs kinda scary?

Sure but his skinny legs scared me as well.


Of thoae 30lbs were in his legs then i would be less worried. But based on the media day pics we know that it isnt the case.

So.more stress on those skinny legs


For start, gaining 30 pounds of "lean muscle mass" over several months for person who is 27 y.o. , without compounds of steroids is simply impossible. Even with them, it would be very, very, very ,very hard for not a noobie to add such mass.
So if you eliminate idea of steroids , you can also eliminate idea of "30 pounds of muscles", witch means majority of that weight is just water weight and fat. I suspect 30 pounds is actual number. More like 10.

How much leg thickness can you add on fragile, very long legs of 27 years old guy who has been in recovery room for years, who, due his 6'11 frame will always have problem squatting, deadlifting, or doing majority of compound workout moves? Probably very little. Most players who are tall and have strong legs just have genetic for it, or (and still with good genetics for thick legs) were overweight at some point in their youth so legs developed to support that weight ( Ivica Zubac, Jokic as best example ).

So, i belive, Isaac's "30 pounds added" is combination of 3 things:
1) summer body transformation NBA myth
2) most weight is just fat/water that will be out within first 20 days of regular season
3) whatever he actually gained, probably way closer to 10 than 30 pounds, is actually lean muscle legs, and even less of it went to his legs


Muscle gain simply isn't miracle work, for advanced lifter, majority of studies prove, adding 5 pounds of lean muscle mass per year is apsolute maximum. Way more realistic number would be 2-3 pounds per year. Reason why people got brainwashed into this miracle transformations are simply - steroids. They work miracles. They get abused by actors, wrestlers, athletes, even regular idiots. They also have fine ways how to mess your health because every miracle has high price.

In conclusion, Isaac probably didn't add 30 pounds. For sure it's not 30 pounds of muscles, and if it's actual 10 pounds with 1-2 pounds going to his legs, that's a good thing. But i highly doubt it is.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#986 » by DiplomaticMagic » Tue Oct 1, 2024 6:03 am

I dont care what Suggs makes anymore, just want him extended.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#987 » by DiplomaticMagic » Tue Oct 1, 2024 6:06 am

I hope the weight JI put on is in his lower body, I dont know if gaining 30 pounds is a good thing....Ill always be scared with JI.

But we need JI, we are not a top 4 team in East without him
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#988 » by RookieStar » Tue Oct 1, 2024 6:16 am

pepe1991 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Sure but his skinny legs scared me as well.


Of thoae 30lbs were in his legs then i would be less worried. But based on the media day pics we know that it isnt the case.

So.more stress on those skinny legs


For start, gaining 30 pounds of "lean muscle mass" over several months for person who is 27 y.o. , without compounds of steroids is simply impossible. Even with them, it would be very, very, very ,very hard for not a noobie to add such mass.
So if you eliminate idea of steroids , you can also eliminate idea of "30 pounds of muscles", witch means majority of that weight is just water weight and fat. I suspect 30 pounds is actual number. More like 10.

How much leg thickness can you add on fragile, very long legs of 27 years old guy who has been in recovery room for years, who, due his 6'11 frame will always have problem squatting, deadlifting, or doing majority of compound workout moves? Probably very little. Most players who are tall and have strong legs just have genetic for it, or (and still with good genetics for thick legs) were overweight at some point in their youth so legs developed to support that weight ( Ivica Zubac, Jokic as best example ).

So, i belive, Isaac's "30 pounds added" is combination of 3 things:
1) summer body transformation NBA myth
2) most weight is just fat/water that will be out within first 20 days of regular season
3) whatever he actually gained, probably way closer to 10 than 30 pounds, is actually lean muscle legs, and even less of it went to his legs


Muscle gain simply isn't miracle work, for advanced lifter, majority of studies prove, adding 5 pounds of lean muscle mass per year is apsolute maximum. Way more realistic number would be 2-3 pounds per year. Reason why people got brainwashed into this miracle transformations are simply - steroids. They work miracles. They get abused by actors, wrestlers, athletes, even regular idiots. They also have fine ways how to mess your health because every miracle has high price.

In conclusion, Isaac probably didn't add 30 pounds. For sure it's not 30 pounds of muscles, and if it's actual 10 pounds with 1-2 pounds going to his legs, that's a good thing. But i highly doubt it is.


Yup... think we all know those 30lbs arent muscles. Still... even if its just 10 of them, hope they are in the lower legs.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#989 » by SOUL » Tue Oct 1, 2024 6:27 am

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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#990 » by RookieStar » Tue Oct 1, 2024 8:56 am

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is it just me or is Goga's arms looking kinda.... scrawny? Maybe its my video i dunno... check out his left arm
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#991 » by pepe1991 » Tue Oct 1, 2024 9:16 am

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is it just me or is Goga's arms looking kinda.... scrawny? Maybe its my video i dunno... check out his left arm


yea, looks very skinny
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#992 » by PerkinsFor3 » Tue Oct 1, 2024 12:37 pm

Seen or heard very little about Tristan da Silva. Any updates/news/soundbites?
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#993 » by RichCollab » Tue Oct 1, 2024 1:00 pm

PerkinsFor3 wrote:Seen or heard very little about Tristan da Silva. Any updates/news/soundbites?


He seems less like a rookie compared to Jett and Black. Other players mentioned him and his versatility. Silva even mentioned you could throw him out there with 4 guards.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#994 » by Last Guardian » Tue Oct 1, 2024 1:19 pm

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eyriq wrote:Our center. Book it.

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Don’t care that my near decade long vision didn’t look great in the playoffs. I’m ready to see more 8-)
He gets a lot of undo blame for the playoffs, homecourt advantage was the real difference maker, not Wendell Carter Jr.


The team played overall a lot better at home. But Allen not being able to bully and get position was all Wendell. Isaac simply couldn't handle him. It was very clear.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#995 » by jezzerinho » Tue Oct 1, 2024 3:44 pm

Last Guardian wrote:
eyriq wrote:
thelead wrote:Don’t care that my near decade long vision didn’t look great in the playoffs. I’m ready to see more 8-)
He gets a lot of undo blame for the playoffs, homecourt advantage was the real difference maker, not Wendell Carter Jr.


The team played overall a lot better at home. But Allen not being able to bully and get position was all Wendell. Isaac simply couldn't handle him. It was very clear.


Agree with you. To be fair to JI, tho, a lot of that is technique that you get from playing the 5 a lot. I thought JI looked a bit lost when he played center, that was as much or more an issue than the physical aspect.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#996 » by VFX » Tue Oct 1, 2024 3:50 pm

I don’t care if JI gained weight or not. The only thing it means is that the idea that he’s playing SF is gone. He’s a PF/C now on a team paying 3 Centers, which relegates him to 1 total position realistically.

The only thing that matters is if he stays healthy.

Who gives a **** what he weighs and how he got there.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#997 » by eyriq » Tue Oct 1, 2024 4:46 pm

Last Guardian wrote:
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thelead wrote:Don’t care that my near decade long vision didn’t look great in the playoffs. I’m ready to see more 8-)
He gets a lot of undo blame for the playoffs, homecourt advantage was the real difference maker, not Wendell Carter Jr.


The team played overall a lot better at home. But Allen not being able to bully and get position was all Wendell. Isaac simply couldn't handle him. It was very clear.
Fair enough, I just think it comes down to learning the position. The additional mass won't hurt either.

Our best case scenario, IMO, involves more playing time for JI, and the main route to this is by him starting at the 5. So this is what I'm rooting for.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#998 » by T-Cat » Tue Oct 1, 2024 5:09 pm

eyriq wrote:
Last Guardian wrote:
eyriq wrote:He gets a lot of undo blame for the playoffs, homecourt advantage was the real difference maker, not Wendell Carter Jr.


The team played overall a lot better at home. But Allen not being able to bully and get position was all Wendell. Isaac simply couldn't handle him. It was very clear.
Fair enough, I just think it comes down to learning the position. The additional mass won't hurt either.

Our best case scenario, IMO, involves more playing time for JI, and the main route to this is by him starting at the 5. So this is what I'm rooting for.


Wendell Carter and Mo Wagner in the frontcourt will be interesting but inserting JI in the starting lineup would benefit us because now we have an identity defensively in the frontcourt, not to mention Suggs/KCP in the backcourt.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#999 » by Optimus_Steel » Tue Oct 1, 2024 5:55 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
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is it just me or is Goga's arms looking kinda.... scrawny? Maybe its my video i dunno... check out his left arm


yea, looks very skinny



I'm ok with that, probably trying to be more mobile, quicker.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#1000 » by RichCollab » Tue Oct 1, 2024 6:33 pm

T-Cat wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Last Guardian wrote:
The team played overall a lot better at home. But Allen not being able to bully and get position was all Wendell. Isaac simply couldn't handle him. It was very clear.
Fair enough, I just think it comes down to learning the position. The additional mass won't hurt either.

Our best case scenario, IMO, involves more playing time for JI, and the main route to this is by him starting at the 5. So this is what I'm rooting for.


Wendell Carter and Mo Wagner in the frontcourt will be interesting but inserting JI in the starting lineup would benefit us because now we have an identity defensively in the frontcourt, not to mention Suggs/KCP in the backcourt.


Give me JI 25 minutes per game off the bench and 70 games.

I’m not on the let’s start him bandwagon.

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