So Umm, Still Think Stan Is A "Championship" Coach?

[WillyJakkz]

It's kinda lonely at the top.

Seriously,

I'm gonna continue to be real about the coaching situation cause really, real talk, realistically...Stan Van Gundy is not the type of coach that will coach us to a Championship.

In fact he's proven that he can coach us out of a Championship (yeah I'm still stuck on stupid aka playing Jameer "not completely healthy but he's MY GUY" Nelson over Rafer "he got us there regardless of the circumstances (KG hurt) Otis's guy" Alston in 2008.

Anyway the guy refuses to alter the offense, doesn't let players be themselves, and doesn't make adjustments...period... but will still scrunch his "AVN Award Winning Face" like he just slammed Jenna Jamison after one of the guys misses a shot. A 3 POINT SHOT.

Sometimes you gotta let Hedo "Ball". Sometimes you gotta let Gilbert "Gun". Sometimes you gotta let J-Rich do his thing. Sometimes you gotta just let these damn guys just play and figure out for themselves how to take control of the game, then call a TO if that doesn't work but damn, sometimes you just gotta take "the leash" off the guys and let 'em ball.

I'm tired of all the 3's, for real. Same thing, different players.

Where's Richie Adubato when you need him?

Oh yeah, please don't come w/ that "Who else is gonna coach the team?" or "Stan has got the highest winning % of any coach" sh*t.

[trebone]

I think last night rather than watch hedo get killed in the second half of the game by deng try throwing clark or Q on him and try something different.

OH and ny the way
IBTL!

[WillyJakkz]

^ Yeah just saw the "change the offense" thread or something like that.

The title is different but after reading it it's basically the same.

MODS could you MERGE the thread w/ the other one instead of lock IF you feel it's the same?

(Even though I feel diferently).

[Cammo101]

What exactly do people want Stan do do? He can't force these guys to make shots. Stan is not the reason Hedo sucked. Stan is not the reason JRich makes VC look like a lockdown defender. Stan is not the reason Jameer got hurt. He is not the reason Arenas looks like a 50 year old rec league player. Stan does the best he can with what he has. He is trying to gel an entire new team with different roles for pretty much everyone.

All this garbage about replacing Hedo with Clark is out of control. I like Clark okay and this he could become a player, but putting a bench player in cold late in a close game against a top 5 team is never a good idea. Especially when the guy you want replaced has a history of closing horrible games with huge baskets. There is simply no rationalization for replacing Hedo with Clark.

You want Stan out so bad, produce a better available coach. Then we can talk.

[CraZyPraiZ]

Man I am really starting to believe this. As much as I like SVG he is very one dimensional. Too stubborn. I can not believe Earl can not get minutes. That kid is going to be some player. Everyone can see it but not Stan. I swear that Dwight will bolt faster than Shaq did so Otis needs to seriously look into this. Players are too robotic. Man the new guys were just playing great and then once they are forced to go through Stan's system and they all look lost. I think he's losing the team.

[trebone]

^ as far as replacing Hedo with Clark you have to realize that Deng destroyed us because Hedo was awful, it kinda defeats the purpose of keeping hedo in late for the "big shot" when we arent even close enough for one to matter.

[Cammo101]

^ as far as replacing Hedo with Clark you have to realize that Deng destroyed us because Hedo was awful, it kinda defeats the purpose of keeping hedo in late for the "big shot" when we arent even close enough for one to matter.

And Earl Clark is going to fix this how? He is not exactly a defensive stopper.

[WillyJakkz]

Every coach has a system and if the players don't fit the system then players don't play, etc.

He's trying to fit square pegs into a circle sometimes because he won't let the players play, he only wants them to run the system and nothing else.

I've have yet to see him sit on the sideline and not grimace his face and go through theatrics just when someone doesn't run "the play" and they miss a shot.

These guys are tryin to figure out the flow of the game sometimes (Gil, Hedo, Jameer) and sometimes you gotta trust that they will but instead of him trusting that, he'll throw his hands in the air throwing a hissy fit instead of chillin' and letting the guys (who have the ability to) figure it out.

And oh yeah:

Available Coach: Larry Brown (and that's just one name).

Talk.

[happypedro12]

I am not understanding all the threads calling for Stans head. How many "championship" coaches are out there? i'm not even sure what that means. You could argue that any coach could win with the right talent (ahem Phil Jackson), but in the end it comes down to the players. The coach designs the plays sure, and he coaches them into where they should be in said play, but still its up to the players to make it all happen. Hasn't Stan reached 200 wins for us? Is he not one of the best coaches (winning percentage) in darn near the history of the NBA? Do you not remember Brian Hil?? People asking for some unproven rookie to replace the main facilitator of our offense is ludicris. What is Earl Clark going to do that Bass or Anderson cannot? There is a reason he is on the bench, SVG sees these guys every day in practice. Of course SVG is "one dimensional", so is every other coach that is trying to implement his system. His system has gotten us to the ECF and a 60 win season. I'm not saying that he can't improve because I see where your coming from. His substitutions are questionable at times and I'm sure there are other things that even he would say needs work. I still think at the end of the day though you need the best players possible to win championships, and our starting 5 just aren't the most talented guys in the league. J-rich back in the day was above average, Jameer on his best day is a all-star bench player, Hedo has ALWAYS been inconsistent, and Bass is mainly just there for rebounds. You give SVG the Celtics, Lakers, and/or Heat team, I guarantee you they're winning just as much and if not more. The coaches job is overrated I guess is what I'm getting at.

[happypedro12]

Available Coach: Larry Brown (and that's just one name).

So you want to replace one intense micro-manager with an even more intense micro-manager?

[Cammo101]

Larry Brown? Really? He sure lit the world on fire in Charlotte and NY. His heart has not been in it in a long time, and if you think Stan is a stubborn guy who won't change his system or play guys that do not fit it, just wait until you get a load of Larry Brown.

This team would be no better with Larry Brown. And we would need to hire a new coach in a year when he up and quits like he does on every single team he coaches.

Try again.

[SEBAS-07]

My main problem with Stan is that he does not adjust,and we he rarely does the game is almost lost. The love for his system blinds his judgment.But firing him would be the worst idea because learning a new system is very complicated.A option if Stan does not improve is Rick Adelman.

[trebone]

^ as far as replacing Hedo with Clark you have to realize that Deng destroyed us because Hedo was awful, it kinda defeats the purpose of keeping hedo in late for the "big shot" when we arent even close enough for one to matter.

And Earl Clark is going to fix this how? He is not exactly a defensive stopper.

And Hedo is???

All I am saying is at least throw someone else in there for a chance to slow him down, I dont care who it is really, Q? Insanity is doing the same thiing over and over again expecting different results, its ok to admit hedo is terrible on the defensive end and Stan as stubborn as a mule.

[CraZyPraiZ]

Explain how these guys were playing great when they were winging it then all of a sudden they look lost as hell out there. Stan needs to f...ing relax and let them play because at the end of the day the players don't get fired. Also watch Clark move his feet on defense plus the kid is fearless. I doubt he'd have a problem trying to score in a big game. Or is it better for him to never contribute this year and now he has to develop next year? Play the damn kid already. Dude comes in scores shoots and defends. It certainly can not hurt to try something different. I also can not believe the Jameer coming in for Austin in the finals. He probably cost us a title.

[ayjaykhanna]

Yeah, I have to agree with you on this dude. We have too many 3-point attempts, and when shots aren't falling, the game almost becomes a coin flip.

This whole living and dying by the 3 is not going to work anymore. We're lacking aggression, that, or we're just sleeping until the playoffs come.

I wouldn't question too much about Stan's coaching ability, I'd say it's more of our offense. On good days we can score more than 110 and blow out our opponents through our offense (god, this just reminds me so much of the Warriors/Suns in terms of our pace).

It's such a risky offense though, what the hell else is out there that would suit an overly talented team like ours?

Without a question though, it's sort of evident that our perimeter defense has slipped through every corner.

I love Stan and all, he's a great coach who can really make his players work hard and always find ways to improve, but he needs to figure out a new offensive strategy, because this is getting out of hand.

Is it possible to change offensive strategies on a game-to-game basis that way we don't look so, as b**** @$$ KG would say, 'predictable', or do you guys think it would create a nightmare for the team?

[WillyJakkz]

^ Man you can literally see the "eggshells" our guys play on on the court.

It's like they're thinking, "come off screen shoot the 3 just like coach wants".

I've seen guys (JJ more often that not) attempt to put the ball down on the floor, get in the lane and make something happen cause he see's what the defense is doing/ what's going on out on the court, but God forbid he's not successful at what he's trying to accomplish cause Stan will jump up and rip him a new one if he does make a mistake.

Hedo is about the only guy who looks comfortable and knows he can do pretty much anything to stay on the court cause he feeds the ball EXTREMELY WELL to the big fella, Dwight Howard.

[happypedro12]

All I am saying is at least throw someone else in their for a chance to slow him down, Insanity is doing the same thiing over and over again expecting different results, its ok to admit hedo is terrible on the defensive end.

But your killing yourself on two ends if you do that. Hedo gets burnt by Deng, Clark gets burnt by Deng. Then on offense, Hedo runs the high pick and roll, Earl.......sits on the wings waiting for a pass or goes for a rebound. So if they are both going to get killed defensively, you have to keep in the player that gives you the best chance to score.

[Cammo101]

^ as far as replacing Hedo with Clark you have to realize that Deng destroyed us because Hedo was awful, it kinda defeats the purpose of keeping hedo in late for the "big shot" when we arent even close enough for one to matter.

And Earl Clark is going to fix this how? He is not exactly a defensive stopper.

And Hedo is???

All I am saying is at least throw someone else in their for a chance to slow him down, Insanity is doing the same thiing over and over again expecting different results, its ok to admit hedo is terrible on the defensive end.

You do not replace proven players for random guys buried on the bench. It just does not happen. No coach in the world is taking Hedo out for Clark there.

Not only is Hedo a BETTER overall defender than Clark, but he is also better suited for staying in front of Deng (which Clark does not have the latteral quickness for). Hedo has a history of playing like garbage and coming alive late in games. Because of that, Stan is never taking Hedo out in a situation like that.

There are no (good) coaches in the NBA replacing a core guy late in a game with someone who has not played a minute. It never, ever happens and there is a good reason for that.

[happypedro12]

Man you can literally see the "eggshells" our guys play on on the court.

It's like they're thinking, "come off screen shoot the 3 just like coach wants".

I don't think its that at all. I think we shoot a ton of 3's because none of our players are the slasher triple action threat type of player. Who on our team can beat somebody off the dribble?? Jameer on occasion...JJ if he gets a really good screen. We don't have the players to run Iso's and most of our guys are 3 point shooters. You gotta work with what you got, so of course SVG wants them to do what they are best at.

[Cammo101]

All I am saying is at least throw someone else in their for a chance to slow him down, Insanity is doing the same thiing over and over again expecting different results, its ok to admit hedo is terrible on the defensive end.

But your killing yourself on two ends if you do that. Hedo gets burnt by Deng, Clark gets burnt by Deng. Then on offense, Hedo runs the high pick and roll, Earl.......sits on the wings waiting for a pass or goes for a rebound. So if they are both going to get killed defensively, you have to keep in the player that gives you the best chance to score.

You sir, are a voice of reason. Agreed here 10000%.