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Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:06 am**

Bobby Ray wrote:
Cigamodnalro wrote:
Bobby Ray wrote:Me personally i've always respected Vince's talent but one thing i never understood from Otis. Why didn't he go get Vince when he wanted to come here when he was young? instead waited until he was old and out of shape?

Otis publicly called him "fool's gold" in an interview on the Orlando Magic website

oh god seriously? If he was fool's gold when he was young then what the hell was he when we got him when he was old?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/200 ... -fool-gold

So the man who once called Vince Carter "fool's gold" now wants us to believe the all-star guard is what the Magic need to win the NBA Finals. That is pretty laughable.

On Feb. 22, 2007, Smith said: "I'm not going to take a step back and fall for what I call fool's gold. It shines and it glitters, but it just doesn't stick or pass the test."

So if Carter was fool's gold then, has he somehow polished himself up and turned into solid gold now despite two more years of wear and tear on his body?

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:17 am**

So to recap...

Magic lost another close game.
Questionable calls from the refs didn't help.
JJ continues to raise his trade value in case that's the route we take.
Moving up higher in the draft.

Meanwhile in Los Angeles, Dwight Howard receives two techs...

I've been loving the 2012-2013 NBA Season.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:17 am**

Hey guys, what's up?

Good game, Vuc is a nice piece to have. I'm probably sure Magic fans hate VC because of posters like the troll here. Completely unnecessary and annoying, but good luck to you guys on the rest of the season.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:18 am**

Tarot Magician wrote:So to recap...

Magic lost another close game.
Questionable calls from the refs didn't help.
JJ continues to raise his trade value in case that's the route we take.
Moving up higher in the draft.

Meanwhile in Los Angeles, Dwight Howard receives two techs...

I've been loving the 2012-2013 NBA Season.

You forgot the part where a VC troll turns this GT into a VC discussion board.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:31 am**

doct3r dr3 wrote:a lot of revisionist history going on in here. vince led the team in fg attempts and had the worst fg% on the team. he never cut off the ball, perennially stood still around the three-point line, never played defense, constantly writhed on the floor wincing, and of course choked away the ecf. and then in that second year he was even worse.

I will say trading VC was the best thing that could happen to his career. At least he wouldn't be stuck with a sad sack LA Laker minor league farm team. Now he's a team leader and one of the top 5 6th men in basketball, reinventing his career post-star status where Gilbert Arenas, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson etc. could not in the mold of Ray Allen, Grant Hill etc.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:32 am**

RvM wrote:Hey guys, what's up?

Good game, Vuc is a nice piece to have. I'm probably sure Magic fans hate VC because of posters like the troll here. Completely unnecessary and annoying, but good luck to you guys on the rest of the season.

Here is someone I haven't heard from in a while. How have you been bro? Hope all is well with you and thank you for the kind words.

For every great fan like yourself, you have asswipes like the troll who posted those VC smiling pics.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:37 am**

ChosenSavior wrote:
RvM wrote:Hey guys, what's up?

Good game, Vuc is a nice piece to have. I'm probably sure Magic fans hate VC because of posters like the troll here. Completely unnecessary and annoying, but good luck to you guys on the rest of the season.

Here is someone I haven't heard from in a while. How have you been bro? Hope all is well with you and thank you for the kind words.

For every great fan like yourself, you have asswipes like the troll who posted those VC smiling pics.

yea i always enjoyed RvM

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:38 am**

taimaishu wrote:I will say trading VC was the best thing that could happen to his career. At least he wouldn't be stuck with a sad sack LA Laker minor league farm team. Now he's a team leader and one of the top 5 6th men in basketball, reinventing his career post-star status where Gilbert Arenas, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson etc. could not in the mold of Ray Allen, Grant Hill etc.

Who, us?

So, basically, now he's a bench player on a 18-24 team? How is that like Ray Allen again?

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:38 am**

RvM wrote:Hey guys, what's up?

Good game, Vuc is a nice piece to have. I'm probably sure Magic fans hate VC because of posters like the troll here. Completely unnecessary and annoying, but good luck to you guys on the rest of the season.

Welcome back! One of the few player fans we really miss over here

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:42 am**

ChosenSavior wrote:
RvM wrote:Hey guys, what's up?

Good game, Vuc is a nice piece to have. I'm probably sure Magic fans hate VC because of posters like the troll here. Completely unnecessary and annoying, but good luck to you guys on the rest of the season.

Here is someone I haven't heard from in a while. How have you been bro? Hope all is well with you and thank you for the kind words.

For every great fan like yourself, you have asswipes like the troll who posted those VC smiling pics.

Been going well. Just enjoying VC in his twilight years and graduating college actually. Been pretty busy, haha but I'm actually enjoying VC's semi resurgence.

Just wanted to post again to show that not all VC fans are d-bags. Also, I'm enjoying just as much as you guys at the Lakers misery and that the crybaby can possibly miss the playoffs.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:47 am**

RvM wrote:
ChosenSavior wrote:
RvM wrote:Hey guys, what's up?

Good game, Vuc is a nice piece to have. I'm probably sure Magic fans hate VC because of posters like the troll here. Completely unnecessary and annoying, but good luck to you guys on the rest of the season.

Here is someone I haven't heard from in a while. How have you been bro? Hope all is well with you and thank you for the kind words.

For every great fan like yourself, you have asswipes like the troll who posted those VC smiling pics.

Been going well. Just enjoying VC in his twilight years and graduating college actually. Been pretty busy, haha but I'm actually enjoying VC's semi resurgence.

Just wanted to post again to show that not all VC fans are d-bags. Also, I'm enjoying just as much as you guys at the Lakers misery and that the crybaby can possibly miss the playoffs.

That's really good to hear and congrats on getting your degree bro! That is a great accomplishment. Yeah Vince has been playing very well for the Mavericks as of late. I'm very impressed on how he has reshaped his game a bit and Carlisle uses him in a way I wished Stan would have when he was here in Orlando.

Yeah seeing Dwight and the Lakers fail has made this season so great for me... :lol:

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:51 am**

Cigamodnalro wrote:
RvM wrote:Hey guys, what's up?

Good game, Vuc is a nice piece to have. I'm probably sure Magic fans hate VC because of posters like the troll here. Completely unnecessary and annoying, but good luck to you guys on the rest of the season.

Welcome back! One of the few player fans we really miss over here

Thanks.

good to still see some familiar places. How's your guys outlook looking over here? You guys still want to go with a Jj-Davis-afflalo-vuc nucleus or are you guys looking to trade for some better pieces?

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:51 am**

Raptorel wrote:
Bensational wrote:i was a big Vince hater during his time here, but i've come to reflect on his tenure here much more favorably. weren't we playing some GOAT style basketball in the 2nd half of VC's first season? i'm pretty sure that post all star break, we were playing at a level that hadn't been done before. (can't remember exactly what that was...)

my biggest problem with VC was that what we needed was a Kobe/Pierce/Wade style dominant wing and closer, but Vince just didn't give us that. because there was no hope of us actually landing a legit Kobe/Pierce/Wade, all our hopes fell on him to fulfill that role, whether that's right or wrong.

the dude's a nice guy though. can't fault him for that. just look at that winning smile - how can you not like him?

You wanted a Kobe/Pierce/Wade style dominant wing but you were still giving Dwight the ball in the post, never played VC & Dwight pick and roll, and made VC a three point shooting catapult as far as the gameplan went. Especially after Blewis started to roll his mouth about not getting enough touches.

You wanted Vince to play like himself while SVG executed the "dump it to Dwight in the post and just stand around looking at him while he gets fouled and bricks free throws".

Yeah, makes sense.

lol, Stan didn't tell Vince to stand on the perimeter and chuck 3's (or, stand well behind the perimeter and attempt long 3's - seriously, who decides to make a low percentage shot even harder?). Stan didn't tell Vince to walk the ball to the rim with the speed and agility of a pensioner, getting caught in the middle of the key and being forced to throw up a fade away just to get enough space to launch a shot.

we wanted Vince to play like himself, but even when he did - he just wasn't elite. he wasn't good enough to carry us over the hump the way a truly elite player like Kobe/Pierce/Wade would be able to do. it's not a dig at Vince. he did well, but he had serious limitations that weren't a result of the system, but of his aged body and, well... the fact that he just wasn't elite. he wasn't a championship caliber player. and unfortunately, that's what a lot of players hoped/expected he would be when he came here.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:58 am**

taimaishu wrote:I will say trading VC was the best thing that could happen to his career. At least he wouldn't be stuck with a sad sack LA Laker minor league farm team. Now he's a team leader and one of the top 5 6th men in basketball, reinventing his career post-star status where Gilbert Arenas, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson etc. could not in the mold of Ray Allen, Grant Hill etc.

oh..... this is just sad for so many reasons.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:04 am**

Maurice actually spoke. Afflalo mentioned the words "pissed off" a few times.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSkUI7Tpc40[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QvQKPnsC_I[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL9OAhzY0mA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fWzAM-byo[/youtube]

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:05 am**

@chosensavior

Thanks, can't believe I just entered college when I left this board, haha.

he's turning 36 and can only handle bench minutes but Rick Carlisle really has helped him transition well to a nice 6th man off the bench, and he provides a VInsanity night every once in awhile. Still hoping for an outside chance the MAVS make the playoffs. But if not it is what it is.

Anyways good luck with the rest of the season guys. And F Dwight and the Lakers!

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:13 am**

Went to the game tonight. You can really tell in person how hard the team is playing, or not playing. Tonight Dallas played much harder than Orlando, which is disappointing come off the Charlotte loss. The Magic's body language was bad all night, whereas the Mavs were playing extremely hard on defense. Our defense was horrible and not much effort went into it.

On the bright side, Harkless looked better tonight. Like he took a half step forward while sitting out.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:15 am**

Lol @ Jameer's post-game.. "I had the ball, I have no idea what happened after that. I have no idea"

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:57 am**

RvM wrote:Hey guys, what's up?

Good game, Vuc is a nice piece to have. I'm probably sure Magic fans hate VC because of posters like the troll here. Completely unnecessary and annoying, but good luck to you guys on the rest of the season.

Good game indeed, Magic just didn't play good D and then had to expend a lot to try to get back in it. Yes Vuc has turned out to be a nice surprise from the Dwight trade. I posted on the Blazers board after our game with them and in the fans responses they all mentioned him.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:02 am**

We played such good D earlier in the season, but since BBD got hurt its like everybody just gave up, besides the occasional mind boggling good game against teams like LAC and Miami

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