Around the League 2016-17 Season

Optimus_Steel · Post #1241 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:18 pm

Happy for Hark but he is not worth that much based on what he has shown so far. He is prob worth $5 mill a year even in this crazy market. He got paid on potential and crazy market. I do remember some people on the General Board saying he would get Evan Turner money lol.

woosah · Post #1242 » by **woosah** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:41 pm

I am happy for Hark. We got him as a young project and things didn't work out. I am glad he found a home.

woosah · Post #1243 » by **woosah** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:47 pm

SO how does the Dipo-Ibaka trade look if Dipo gets maxed? Any different? You think this is why Rob went with Evan because he was more willing to take a team friendly deal?

MagicFan101 · Post #1244 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:55 pm

woosah wrote:SO how does the Dipo-Ibaka trade look if Dipo gets maxed? Any different? You think this is why Rob went with Evan because he was more willing to take a team friendly deal?

We still have to see how re-signing Ibaka goes.

NavalAviator94 · Post #1245 » by **NavalAviator94** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:06 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
woosah wrote:SO how does the Dipo-Ibaka trade look if Dipo gets maxed? Any different? You think this is why Rob went with Evan because he was more willing to take a team friendly deal?

We still have to see how re-signing Ibaka goes.

Thankfully we have his Bird Rights and that 5th year. Barring something unforeseen we should be able to resign him.

On the above note I think Rob went with Evan because Vic was able to get us the type of player at the 4 we needed badly. We had the luxury of Evan. Ultimately I think Vic will be the better player but Evan + Ibaka makes us a better team than if we kept Vic. Evan just may surprise us though which would be interesting to see.

MagicFan101 · Post #1246 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:10 pm

NavalAviator94 wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
woosah wrote:SO how does the Dipo-Ibaka trade look if Dipo gets maxed? Any different? You think this is why Rob went with Evan because he was more willing to take a team friendly deal?

We still have to see how re-signing Ibaka goes.

Thankfully we have his Bird Rights and that 5th year. Barring something unforeseen we should be able to resign him.

On the above note I think Rob went with Evan because Vic was able to get us the type of player at the 4 we needed badly. We had the luxury of Evan. Ultimately I think Vic will be the better player but Evan + Ibaka makes us a better team than if we kept Vic. Evan just may surprise us though which would be interesting to see.

The original comment was referencing Evan's team friendly deal in comparison to Oladipo's max requests. It looks good now, but is Ibaka going to give us a team friendly deal as well? Is so, then it is safe to declare this trade a win for Orlando. If not, then much more than $$ will eventually grade this trade.

woosah · Post #1247 » by **woosah** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:15 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
We still have to see how re-signing Ibaka goes.

Thankfully we have his Bird Rights and that 5th year. Barring something unforeseen we should be able to resign him.

On the above note I think Rob went with Evan because Vic was able to get us the type of player at the 4 we needed badly. We had the luxury of Evan. Ultimately I think Vic will be the better player but Evan + Ibaka makes us a better team than if we kept Vic. Evan just may surprise us though which would be interesting to see.

The original comment was referencing Evan's team friendly deal in comparison to Oladipo's max requests. It looks good now, but is Ibaka going to give us a team friendly deal as well? Is so, then it is safe to declare this trade a win for Orlando. If not, then much more than $$ will eventually grade this trade.

Yeah i just wonder if OKC was expecting to have to pay him a max when they got him. Hard to say since they probably never counted on losing Durant. He wants max/star money and is not a star. Dang, does Orlando even have any max players? Well they clearly weren't willing to make Vic one.

NavalAviator94 · Post #1248 » by **NavalAviator94** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:24 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
We still have to see how re-signing Ibaka goes.

Thankfully we have his Bird Rights and that 5th year. Barring something unforeseen we should be able to resign him.

On the above note I think Rob went with Evan because Vic was able to get us the type of player at the 4 we needed badly. We had the luxury of Evan. Ultimately I think Vic will be the better player but Evan + Ibaka makes us a better team than if we kept Vic. Evan just may surprise us though which would be interesting to see.

The original comment was referencing Evan's team friendly deal in comparison to Oladipo's max requests. It looks good now, but is Ibaka going to give us a team friendly deal as well? Is so, then it is safe to declare this trade a win for Orlando. If not, then much more than $$ will eventually grade this trade.

Gotcha.

I think it's safe to say Ibaka isn't giving anyone a team friendly deal. Teams will be lining up for him with Max contracts and we'll be first in line with that 5th year. As long as Ibaka is healthy and Evan produces at close to the level and efficiency of last year then I say it was a good trade for Orlando.

NavalAviator94 · Post #1249 » by **NavalAviator94** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:29 pm

woosah wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:
Thankfully we have his Bird Rights and that 5th year. Barring something unforeseen we should be able to resign him.

On the above note I think Rob went with Evan because Vic was able to get us the type of player at the 4 we needed badly. We had the luxury of Evan. Ultimately I think Vic will be the better player but Evan + Ibaka makes us a better team than if we kept Vic. Evan just may surprise us though which would be interesting to see.

The original comment was referencing Evan's team friendly deal in comparison to Oladipo's max requests. It looks good now, but is Ibaka going to give us a team friendly deal as well? Is so, then it is safe to declare this trade a win for Orlando. If not, then much more than $$ will eventually grade this trade.

Yeah i just wonder if OKC was expecting to have to pay him a max when they got him. Hard to say since they probably never counted on losing Durant. He wants max/star money and is not a star. Dang, does Orlando even have any max players? Well they clearly weren't willing to make Vic one.

They definitely weren't planning on him leaving but how could they really. I'm not sure what move they could have made other than the one they did that gave them cap flexibility to sign Durant and go after Al Horford who he had mild interest in playing with. They did what a GM has to do but it ultimately hurt them more. Losing Ibaka and KD is going to hurt and I just don't see FA's coming to OKC with what they have. But really, what else could they have done?

woosah · Post #1250 » by **woosah** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:35 pm

NavalAviator94 wrote:
woosah wrote:Yeah i just wonder if OKC was expecting to have to pay him a max when they got him. Hard to say since they probably never counted on losing Durant. He wants max/star money and is not a star. Dang, does Orlando even have any max players? Well they clearly weren't willing to make Vic one.

They definitely weren't planning on him leaving but how could they really. I'm not sure what move they could have made other than the one they did that gave them cap flexibility to sign Durant and go after Al Horford who he had mild interest in playing with. They did what a GM has to do but it ultimately hurt them more. Losing Ibaka and KD is going to hurt and I just don't see FA's coming to OKC with what they have. But really, what else could they have done?

I don't know. I just thinks it hurts them to think they would have a third option in VO and now they may have to shell out max money and he may not be that dude. They didn't do anything wrong. It is real familar to me and i feel for them as an organization.

As a magic fan though, who is sick of the posts making him out to be the GOAT when he isn't close, i smirk just a little though.

Mike1989 · Post #1251 » by **Mike1989** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:46 pm

Good luck to Harkless getting paid. Going to be interesting to see how the Trail Blazers work things out...

Allen Crabbe got paid, SG/SF
Evan Turner got paid, SG/SF
CJ McCollum got paid, SG
Moe Harkless for paid, SF

Two of them are probably going to have to ride the bench, though I suppose Harkless could always start at PF. But positive moves from the Blazers, but a lot now tied up to SG and SFs.

tooler · Post #1252 » by **tooler** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:41 pm

woosah wrote:SO how does the Dipo-Ibaka trade look if Dipo gets maxed? Any different? You think this is why Rob went with Evan because he was more willing to take a team friendly deal?

Same as before since I expected him to get a max.

Hope Moe doesn't let the money go to his head.

tiderulz · Post #1253 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:41 am

woosah wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:
Thankfully we have his Bird Rights and that 5th year. Barring something unforeseen we should be able to resign him.

On the above note I think Rob went with Evan because Vic was able to get us the type of player at the 4 we needed badly. We had the luxury of Evan. Ultimately I think Vic will be the better player but Evan + Ibaka makes us a better team than if we kept Vic. Evan just may surprise us though which would be interesting to see.

The original comment was referencing Evan's team friendly deal in comparison to Oladipo's max requests. It looks good now, but is Ibaka going to give us a team friendly deal as well? Is so, then it is safe to declare this trade a win for Orlando. If not, then much more than $$ will eventually grade this trade.

Yeah i just wonder if OKC was expecting to have to pay him a max when they got him. Hard to say since they probably never counted on losing Durant. He wants max/star money and is not a star. Dang, does Orlando even have any max players? Well they clearly weren't willing to make Vic one.

he may be able to take a team friendly deal and make more money, since more than half his games wont have state tax.

MagicFan101 · Post #1254 » by **MagicFan101** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:45 am

tiderulz wrote:
woosah wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
The original comment was referencing Evan's team friendly deal in comparison to Oladipo's max requests. It looks good now, but is Ibaka going to give us a team friendly deal as well? Is so, then it is safe to declare this trade a win for Orlando. If not, then much more than $$ will eventually grade this trade.

Yeah i just wonder if OKC was expecting to have to pay him a max when they got him. Hard to say since they probably never counted on losing Durant. He wants max/star money and is not a star. Dang, does Orlando even have any max players? Well they clearly weren't willing to make Vic one.

he may be able to take a team friendly deal and make more money, since more than half his games wont have state tax.

Fans like to toss this around as a way to talk themselves into thinking we have an edge but you can bet yourself he and his agent will push for a full max deal from Orlando.

tiderulz · Post #1255 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:28 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
woosah wrote:Yeah i just wonder if OKC was expecting to have to pay him a max when they got him. Hard to say since they probably never counted on losing Durant. He wants max/star money and is not a star. Dang, does Orlando even have any max players? Well they clearly weren't willing to make Vic one.

he may be able to take a team friendly deal and make more money, since more than half his games wont have state tax.

Fans like to toss this around as a way to talk themselves into thinking we have an edge but you can bet yourself he and his agent will push for a full max deal from Orlando.

i agree and it isnt a large amount of money, but it would equal a few million dollars. But agents also want they players on winning teams too, and too many players with max deals, you end up like Atlanta, playing well but never really competing. Or you have a team that has 1 injury and is out of it

KingRobb02 · Post #1256 » by **KingRobb02** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:49 pm

Looks like someone put some math into figuring out The Ringer's beat the Warriors game:
LINK

tooler · Post #1257 » by **tooler** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:22 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:Looks like someone put some math into figuring out The Ringer's beat the Warriors game:
LINK

Just another depressing reminder of how we whiffed on Millsap.

KingRobb02 · Post #1258 » by **KingRobb02** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:39 pm

tooler wrote:
KingRobb02 wrote:Looks like someone put some math into figuring out The Ringer's beat the Warriors game:
LINK

Just another depressing reminder of how we whiffed on Millsap.

I wouldn't call it a whiff. We really had no shot.

Post #1259 » by **SOUL** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:05 am

KingRobb02 wrote:I wouldn't call it a whiff. We really had no shot.

Oh, we definitely had a shot. He interviewed with us and chose the Hawks, better odds than most teams.

I wonder if we still would've moved Oladipo this year without the need for Ibaka if we got Millsap.

OrlandoDream · Post #1260 » by **OrlandoDream** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:30 am

SOUL wrote:
KingRobb02 wrote:I wouldn't call it a whiff. We really had no shot.

Oh, we definitely had a shot. He interviewed with us and chose the Hawks, better odds than most teams.

I wonder if we still would've moved Oladipo this year without the need for Ibaka if we got Millsap.

As much as I wanted Millsap signing to go down, Ibaka fits a bigger need. Having both Millsap and Gordon seems a bit redundant. AG needs to play the SF and Vuc needs help in the paint. Teams would murder a frontline of Vuc and Millsap. Absolutely no shot blocking.