Magic(12-11) @ Nets(7-16)

Post #1 » by **SD2042** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:20 pm

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Who: Orlando Magic(12-11) @ Brooklyn Nets(7-16)
When: Monday, December 14th, 2015
Where: Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York
Time: 7:30 PM EST
TV/Radio: FSFL, ESPN 580AM
Season Series: First Meeting
Series Overall: Magic lead 55-44
Team Trivia: The Magic stand as the only team in the NBA who have yet to win a game inside Barclays Center. Will the Magic find some way to get this win? C.J. Watson played in 80 games with Brooklyn during the 2012-13 campaign, averaging 6.8 ppg.

Barclays Center

Magic Girls

In Memory of Jack Nelson

Magic Starters

Nets Starters

tooler · Post #2 » by **tooler** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:42 pm

the_hobo · Post #3 » by **the_hobo** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:53 pm

We sure these are the starters? Hopefully skiles makes a change!

Post #4 » by **SD2042** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:01 pm

the_hobo wrote:We sure these are the starters? Hopefully skiles makes a change!

Don't know right now. We'll find out eventually.

Would be good to start this week off with a win.

Big A All Day · Post #5 » by **Big A All Day** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:17 pm

Need to get back on track here after that horrible Cleveland game and tuff suns loss. Lets go!

rcklsscognition · Post #6 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:28 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JohnDenton555/status/676447048309284864[/tweet]

No changes.

tooler · Post #7 » by **tooler** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:32 pm

Need to build our point differential back up over the next 10 games before we play Cleveland again. Blow 'em out!

Dgbarnes · Post #8 » by **Dgbarnes** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:02 pm

Got some last minute tickets to the game, pretty excited to see the boys in blue!

darthcheech2000 · Post #9 » by **darthcheech2000** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:12 pm

The train on this rollercoaster went subterranean friday night, so we should be heading up now.

Should be a win, its gonna get ugly if it isn't.

Magic-man4609 · Post #10 » by **Magic-man4609** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:12 pm

Just WIN!! All I want is for us not to play like ass tonight.

seeingstars · Post #11 » by **seeingstars** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:21 pm

Peeked the Nets game thread.

First comment: We're going to get our asses kicked.

Let's hope this guys a basketball genius!

Go Magic!

Just Plain Mark · Post #12 » by **Just Plain Mark** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:41 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JohnDenton555/status/676447048309284864[/tweet]

No changes.

I'm disappointed that Skiles didn't change the lineup, but I'm concerned that this offensive issues go deeper than just the starting lineup. I sense that the Magic don't have a strong enough offensive identity that they can execute for 48 minutes a game yet, in contrast to the sense I have about the defensive identity (as reflected in the improved defensive stats).

Even more concerning is that Skiles doesn't think the Magic have a PF that can keep up with Thaddeus Young. This is concerning for two reasons: 1: He can't view Gordon as even a hybrid PF if he doesn't think Gordon can keep up with Thaddeus Young (link); 2) Skiles is going to leave Frye, who is barely more mobile than Nicholson, but infinitely less mobile that Gordon or Harris, as the starter at PF. I just don't understand it.

rcklsscognition · Post #13 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:51 pm

Well, one could consider that Skiles putting Frye out there is forcing other teams to react to us. Why should we change our entire system because of Thaddeus Young?

They are going to have to have someone guarding Frye tight or he'll be shooting 3s all night. Give him daylight and he will make them at a very good clip.

tooler · Post #14 » by **tooler** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:53 pm

I don't mind him standing pat a little longer to see if the Cleveland game was an anomaly or not. Plus it keeps his powder dry if he needs to move Aaron Gordon into the starting lineup later this season.

FloridaHoosier · Post #15 » by **FloridaHoosier** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:58 pm

Hoping we WIN and play well tonight! Gotta get that bad taste out of my mouth!

CraZyPraiZ · Post #16 » by **CraZyPraiZ** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:11 pm

FloridaHoosier wrote:Hoping we WIN and play well tonight! Gotta get that bad taste out of my mouth!

You're not kidding. That last game has left a horrible hangover. So bad that I wasn't even aware we played tonight. Not as excited as I was before that game. Hopefully we can start winning again.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #17 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:12 pm

Just Plain Mark wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JohnDenton555/status/676447048309284864[/tweet]

No changes.

I'm disappointed that Skiles didn't change the lineup, but I'm concerned that this offensive issues go deeper than just the starting lineup. I sense that the Magic don't have a strong enough offensive identity that they can execute for 48 minutes a game yet, in contrast to the sense I have about the defensive identity (as reflected in the improved defensive stats).

Even more concerning is that Skiles doesn't think the Magic have a PF that can keep up with Thaddeus Young. This is concerning for two reasons: 1: He can't view Gordon as even a hybrid PF if he doesn't think Gordon can keep up with Thaddeus Young (link); 2) Skiles is going to leave Frye, who is barely more mobile than Nicholson, but infinitely less mobile that Gordon or Harris, as the starter at PF. I just don't understand it.

Why do we people always want to change our entire make up of the team because of who Frye is guarding when he hasn't been that bad defensively. People are always like "OMG, we're going to get killed by opposing player at PF position." and it hardly ever happens. I think we'll be fine.

Just Plain Mark · Post #18 » by **Just Plain Mark** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:18 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
Just Plain Mark wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JohnDenton555/status/676447048309284864[/tweet]

No changes.

I'm disappointed that Skiles didn't change the lineup, but I'm concerned that this offensive issues go deeper than just the starting lineup. I sense that the Magic don't have a strong enough offensive identity that they can execute for 48 minutes a game yet, in contrast to the sense I have about the defensive identity (as reflected in the improved defensive stats).

Even more concerning is that Skiles doesn't think the Magic have a PF that can keep up with Thaddeus Young. This is concerning for two reasons: 1: He can't view Gordon as even a hybrid PF if he doesn't think Gordon can keep up with Thaddeus Young (link); 2) Skiles is going to leave Frye, who is barely more mobile than Nicholson, but infinitely less mobile that Gordon or Harris, as the starter at PF. I just don't understand it.

Why do we people always want to change our entire make up of the team because of who Frye is guarding when he hasn't been that bad defensively. People are always like "OMG, we're going to get killed by opposing player at PF position." and it hardly ever happens. I think we'll be fine.

I'm not wanting to change the entire makeup of the Magic just because of Frye. In fact, I'd only change the lineup with respect to Frye and that's not just because of his defense (which Skiles seems to indicate in the article I linked isn't ideal for Thaddeous Young), but because he's not contributing much offense either. See the same article for the decline in Frye's offensive contribution.

I think the Magic can be even better than they are now and I think Skiles can help them get there, but the offense has clearly lagged behind defense in improvement and consistency.

Optimus_Steel · Post #19 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:25 pm

Put them thru the torture chamber Uncle Drew!

ezzzp · Post #20 » by **ezzzp** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:53 pm

Just Plain Mark wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
Just Plain Mark wrote:
I'm disappointed that Skiles didn't change the lineup, but I'm concerned that this offensive issues go deeper than just the starting lineup. I sense that the Magic don't have a strong enough offensive identity that they can execute for 48 minutes a game yet, in contrast to the sense I have about the defensive identity (as reflected in the improved defensive stats).

Even more concerning is that Skiles doesn't think the Magic have a PF that can keep up with Thaddeus Young. This is concerning for two reasons: 1: He can't view Gordon as even a hybrid PF if he doesn't think Gordon can keep up with Thaddeus Young (link); 2) Skiles is going to leave Frye, who is barely more mobile than Nicholson, but infinitely less mobile that Gordon or Harris, as the starter at PF. I just don't understand it.

Why do we people always want to change our entire make up of the team because of who Frye is guarding when he hasn't been that bad defensively. People are always like "OMG, we're going to get killed by opposing player at PF position." and it hardly ever happens. I think we'll be fine.

I'm not wanting to change the entire makeup of the Magic just because of Frye. In fact, I'd only change the lineup with respect to Frye and that's not just because of his defense (which Skiles seems to indicate in the article I linked isn't ideal for Thaddeous Young), but because he's not contributing much offense either. See the same article for the decline in Frye's offensive contribution.

I think the Magic can be even better than they are now and I think Skiles can help them get there, but the offense has clearly lagged behind defense in improvement and consistency.

I got the feeling Skiles was pondering inserting Nicholson into the starting lineup but saw that Young's mobility could embarrass Nicholson and make the coaching move look really bad. If Young goes off on Frye, that justifies and reinforces a move - and the upcoming match ups at PF are more favorable to that move anyhow.