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What do you guys think about signing Whiteside in the offseason? He will probably be commanding a contract of around 20mil per year, maybe a bit more. But he is an absolute rebound/block/defensive machine.

We could trade Vuc and replace his offense with someone like Ryan Anderson. Also, wouldn't mind trading Tobias Harris either. I think essentially swapping out our lineup of Tobias/Vuc for Whiteside/Rhino fits our team much better.

Our top 6 would look something like this:

C- Hassan Whiteside
PF- Ryan Anderson
SF- Aaron Gordon
SG- Mario Hezonja
PG- Elfrid Peyton

6th man- Oladipo

Plus that's not even including what we could get in return in trades for Harris/Vuc.... But something that fits our core of Peyton/Hezonja/Gordon much better would be great.

I think if Gordon continues to develop his jumpshot/range, this lineup could be killer.

Pushpic wrote:C- Hassan Whiteside
PF- Ryan Anderson
SF- Aaron Gordon
SG- Mario Hezonja
PG- Elfrid Peyton

6th man- Oladipo.

That is a complimentary starting five. Add Smith as a key bench player, all the Magic need would be a quality backup PG and a combo forward to balance out a typical 9-man rotation. That would be a solid 50-win team. But probably not a title contender.


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no hassan
no thx
stop looking at stat sheet, watch few miami games and you ll see how he hurts his team
Ded could do the same in same situation

drsd wrote:

Pushpic wrote:C- Hassan Whiteside
PF- Ryan Anderson
SF- Aaron Gordon
SG- Mario Hezonja
PG- Elfrid Peyton

6th man- Oladipo.

That is a complimentary starting five. Add Smith as a key bench player, all the Magic need would be a quality backup PG and a combo forward to balance out a typical 9-man rotation. That would be a solid 50-win team. But probably not a title contender.


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What about also signing Mike Conely? Having Elfrid and Oladipo come off the bench. That would be a pretty awesome guard rotation

Nets will give Conley max, so no thank you

Whiteside is fools gold. Let's ignore his offcourt problems and that he is trainwreck waiting to happen ( remember, he plays on one of oldest NBA teams with Riley, Wade,Bosh around to chack him) and focus on his playing.

The Heat actually allow fewer points per 100 possessions with Whiteside off the court. The team gives up 102.5 points per game when Whiteside is on the court, as opposed to just 92.3 points when the shot blocker is on the bench. Opponents actually draw more fouls and turn the ball over less when Whiteside is on the court as opposed to when he is on the bench. It is mainly for this reason that Whiteside has sat out 6 entire fourth quarters and averages just 4.8 fourth quarter minutes per game.
Even though the Heat have a top-5 defense, opposing teams are shooting fairly well at the rim against them. Opponents are shooting 50.5% at the rim this season against the Heat, which ranks the team at 17th in the league. Whiteside’s opposing field goal percentage at the rim, for the number of blocks he has, is not all that great. The Marshall University product allows opponents to shoot 45.3% from within 5 feet of the basket, which is a good percentage, but by no means elite. Whiteside ranks only 11th amongst starting big men in this category.

He reminds me on Marcus Camby ( not DPOY candidate version but version of him when he got older and lazy), he would end games with 8 blocks ,20 rebounds just because he would gamble on weak side D for block ( much like Iverson was gambling on passing line to get steals ). Stats don't always mean you are that good.
And it's not that hard to play against centers like Whiteside if you are skilled big man, show him ball in pump fake and you have foul at least, probably and 1 too

pepe1991 wrote:Whiteside is fools gold. Let's ignore his offcourt problems and that he is trainwreck waiting to happen ( remember, he plays on one of oldest NBA teams with Riley, Wade,Bosh around to chack him) and focus on his playing.

The Heat actually allow fewer points per 100 possessions with Whiteside off the court. The team gives up 102.5 points per game when Whiteside is on the court, as opposed to just 92.3 points when the shot blocker is on the bench. Opponents actually draw more fouls and turn the ball over less when Whiteside is on the court as opposed to when he is on the bench. It is mainly for this reason that Whiteside has sat out 6 entire fourth quarters and averages just 4.8 fourth quarter minutes per game.
Even though the Heat have a top-5 defense, opposing teams are shooting fairly well at the rim against them. Opponents are shooting 50.5% at the rim this season against the Heat, which ranks the team at 17th in the league. Whiteside’s opposing field goal percentage at the rim, for the number of blocks he has, is not all that great. The Marshall University product allows opponents to shoot 45.3% from within 5 feet of the basket, which is a good percentage, but by no means elite. Whiteside ranks only 11th amongst starting big men in this category.

He reminds me on Marcus Camby ( not DPOY candidate version but version of him when he got older and lazy), he would end games with 8 blocks ,20 rebounds just because he would gamble on weak side D for block ( much like Iverson was gambling on passing line to get steals ). Stats don't always mean you are that good.
And it's not that hard to play against centers like Whiteside if you are skilled big man, show him ball in pump fake and you have foul at least, probably and 1 too

Wow, I didn't realize all of this, as I am currently working in Tel Aviv so I don't have time to catch any Heat games... Who else do you think could be a good target for us?

Somebody like Ezili ? FA is fools gold this year in general, 28 teams with lot of money ,more money than players, overpaying for average quality will be crazy. Barnes for example turned $16M per year deal. Better look at ways to move somebody between Dipo, Fournier even Harris to get value for PF position. Best case scenario is Bender on draft but don't see team like Celtics trading Nets pick . Because of overpaying FA rookies are more important than ever.

Pushpic wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:Whiteside is fools gold. Let's ignore his offcourt problems and that he is trainwreck waiting to happen ( remember, he plays on one of oldest NBA teams with Riley, Wade,Bosh around to chack him) and focus on his playing.

The Heat actually allow fewer points per 100 possessions with Whiteside off the court. The team gives up 102.5 points per game when Whiteside is on the court, as opposed to just 92.3 points when the shot blocker is on the bench. Opponents actually draw more fouls and turn the ball over less when Whiteside is on the court as opposed to when he is on the bench. It is mainly for this reason that Whiteside has sat out 6 entire fourth quarters and averages just 4.8 fourth quarter minutes per game.
Even though the Heat have a top-5 defense, opposing teams are shooting fairly well at the rim against them. Opponents are shooting 50.5% at the rim this season against the Heat, which ranks the team at 17th in the league. Whiteside’s opposing field goal percentage at the rim, for the number of blocks he has, is not all that great. The Marshall University product allows opponents to shoot 45.3% from within 5 feet of the basket, which is a good percentage, but by no means elite. Whiteside ranks only 11th amongst starting big men in this category.

He reminds me on Marcus Camby ( not DPOY candidate version but version of him when he got older and lazy), he would end games with 8 blocks ,20 rebounds just because he would gamble on weak side D for block ( much like Iverson was gambling on passing line to get steals ). Stats don't always mean you are that good.
And it's not that hard to play against centers like Whiteside if you are skilled big man, show him ball in pump fake and you have foul at least, probably and 1 too

Wow, I didn't realize all of this, as I am currently working in Tel Aviv so I don't have time to catch any Heat games... Who else do you think could be a good target for us?

spot on, rudy gobert +vuc+evan agree with u

Whiteside ain't coming to Orlando. He has his pick of any team that has cash about now while most teams should have money now that the Cap will rise.

One thing I've heard passively is that Spoelstra doesn't really like playing Whiteside because he operates on his own island and can't play team defense. Not sure how accurate that is.

Got to agree on Whiteside, while the numbers indicate he would be an upgrade over Vucevic on defense, I've heard nothing but bad about his character and that he's a bit of space cadet. I'd assume the Magic still for like the 4th straight year, concentrate on acquiring a power forward that can defend the paint and not be a liability on offense, even if it means cloning Horace Grant for the 2032 season.


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I don't think we get Whiteside either but anyone who thinks Dedmon can provide the same sort of production on both ends is not watching games.

PennytoShaq wrote:I don't think we get Whiteside either but anyone who thinks Dedmon can provide the same sort of production on both ends is not watching games.

Haha yes. Sad but true. Absurd to think Dedmon can be similar to Whiteside. If he is capable of being Whiteside, then Whiteside surely is a bad fit for us.

I doubt Anderson would come here. He is at his best when he is complimenting a great big man. He has that by staying next to Anthony Davis and word is that SVG in Detroit will go very hard after him to compliment Drummond.

Unless the entire league lowballs him, there just isn't a good reason for him to come here.

why are we keep saying that we need a defender PF? AG is starting now, he's our D anchor, and i really like Ezili as a C backup

rusoopE wrote:why are we keep saying that we need a defender PF? AG is starting now, he's our D anchor, and i really like Ezili as a C backup

Pushing for a defending PF because of Vuc at Center

Ezili would be a fine starter. (someone is going to over pay for him)

PennytoShaq wrote:I don't think we get Whiteside either but anyone who thinks Dedmon can provide the same sort of production on both ends is not watching games.

actually, it s the other way around

rusoopE wrote:why are we keep saying that we need a defender PF? AG is starting now, he's our D anchor, and i really like Ezili as a C backup

Because we need a defensive, rim protecting PF...

AG is better suited for the SF defensive anchor spot with occasional time at PF when we go small ball. But an athletic, defensive PF would be fantastic next to him.

Cedric, you are saying that you watch all the Magic games and think that Dedmon, a guy who can't get off the bench for Skiles, a coach who values rim protection is equal to or better than Whiteside?

I really wish that was the case. It would sure makes things a lot easier.