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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 16m16 minutes ago
Monday morning trade scuttle: Orlando isn't outright shopping Tobias Harris, but word is the Magic aren't discouraging offers for him either

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 14m14 minutes ago
There's a growing sense among rival executives that Orlando, now 3-15 in 2016, is open to proposals of any kind to get a bit more seasoned.

I was really torn as to whether or not this needed it's own thread, so if not, it'd be fine if this was moved to the trade thread.

Rick Rolled wrote:

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 16m16 minutes ago
Monday morning trade scuttle: Orlando isn't outright shopping Tobias Harris, but word is the Magic aren't discouraging offers for him either

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 14m14 minutes ago
There's a growing sense among rival executives that Orlando, now 3-15 in 2016, is open to proposals of any kind to get a bit more seasoned.

I was really torn as to whether or not this needed it's own thread, so if not, it'd be fine if this was moved to the trade thread.

When your team is sputtering the way it is, Henny has to consider all options.

OrlandoNed wrote:

Rick Rolled wrote:

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 16m16 minutes ago
Monday morning trade scuttle: Orlando isn't outright shopping Tobias Harris, but word is the Magic aren't discouraging offers for him either

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 14m14 minutes ago
There's a growing sense among rival executives that Orlando, now 3-15 in 2016, is open to proposals of any kind to get a bit more seasoned.

I was really torn as to whether or not this needed it's own thread, so if not, it'd be fine if this was moved to the trade thread.

When your team is sputtering the way it is, Henny has to consider all options.

I was just thinking that, I'm sure Harris won't be the only one that we're taking calls on.

Not surprised to see us entertaining offers for Harris. Clearly, either Gordon or Harris has to go. The duplication on the roster and both Gordon(yet) and Harris has not proven to be capable of playing the four.

I'm ready to be shouted down for this, but as an opening salvo:

David Lee/Sullinger for Harris?

fendilim wrote:Not surprised to see us entertaining offers for Harris. Clearly, either Gordon or Harris has to go. The duplication on the roster and both Gordon(yet) and Harris has not proven to be capable of playing the four.

You aren't serious about Gordon r u? dude has played well since starting and still ONLY 20 years old. has tons of potential. no freaking way I trade Gordon until I know what I really have in him.

Harris on the other hand I believe is what he is. if he is to be traded, it needs to make sense for magic long term

Rick Rolled wrote:

OrlandoNed wrote:

Rick Rolled wrote:


I was really torn as to whether or not this needed it's own thread, so if not, it'd be fine if this was moved to the trade thread.

When your team is sputtering the way it is, Henny has to consider all options.

I was just thinking that, I'm sure Harris won't be the only one that we're taking calls on.

this is how i feel. There isnt anyone to me that we shouldnt at least listen to offers on. We should also definitely be listening to offers on Vuc, though i doubt there are many made.

ZeusIsLoose wrote:

fendilim wrote:Not surprised to see us entertaining offers for Harris. Clearly, either Gordon or Harris has to go. The duplication on the roster and both Gordon(yet) and Harris has not proven to be capable of playing the four.

You aren't serious about Gordon r u? dude has played well since starting and still ONLY 20 years old. has tons of potential. no freaking way I trade Gordon until I know what I really have in him.

Harris on the other hand I believe is what he is. if he is to be traded, it needs to make sense for magic long term

first of all, i said YET with regards to Gordon playing PF.

As far as saying Gordon is tradable, not gonna lie, but to say we have untouchables in our roster is absurd.

Gordon is doing good as a starter, yes. But if we can get a potential superstar, why not?

Andrew McCeltic wrote:I'm ready to be shouted down for this, but as an opening salvo:

David Lee/Sullinger for Harris?

We had one Big Baby on our roster and I think we better stay put if this was an offer. BTW, I think Crowder fits your team much more than Tobias would.

fendilim wrote:

ZeusIsLoose wrote:

fendilim wrote:Not surprised to see us entertaining offers for Harris. Clearly, either Gordon or Harris has to go. The duplication on the roster and both Gordon(yet) and Harris has not proven to be capable of playing the four.

You aren't serious about Gordon r u? dude has played well since starting and still ONLY 20 years old. has tons of potential. no freaking way I trade Gordon until I know what I really have in him.

Harris on the other hand I believe is what he is. if he is to be traded, it needs to make sense for magic long term

first of all, i said YET with regards to Gordon playing PF.

As far as saying Gordon is tradable, not gonna lie, but to say we have untouchables in our roster is absurd.

Gordon is doing good as a starter, yes. But if we can get a potential superstar, why not?

You said he HAS TO GO. No he doesn't. if he can get us a superstar, then obviously, but who out there is a super star that can be had?

ZeusIsLoose wrote:

fendilim wrote:

ZeusIsLoose wrote:You aren't serious about Gordon r u? dude has played well since starting and still ONLY 20 years old. has tons of potential. no freaking way I trade Gordon until I know what I really have in him.

Harris on the other hand I believe is what he is. if he is to be traded, it needs to make sense for magic long term

first of all, i said YET with regards to Gordon playing PF.

As far as saying Gordon is tradable, not gonna lie, but to say we have untouchables in our roster is absurd.

Gordon is doing good as a starter, yes. But if we can get a potential superstar, why not?

You said he HAS TO GO. No he doesn't. if he can get us a superstar, then obviously, but who out there is a super star that can be had?

i said either of them. Could be one or the other.

Jiwol wrote:

Andrew McCeltic wrote:I'm ready to be shouted down for this, but as an opening salvo:

David Lee/Sullinger for Harris?

We had one Big Baby on our roster and I think we better stay put if this was an offer. BTW, I think Crowder fits your team much more than Tobias would.

Agreed, I think Boston's interest is lukewarm.. We just want more consistent scoring than we're getting.

FWIW, Sullinger is a much different player- would be your best rebounder immediately.

This is not a surprise.

Many of us have questioned how Harris fits with this team.

You don't deal Harris to deal him as he is a talented player but it does not hurt to test the market.

Send Harris & his cousin to the kings for Gay + filler.

fendilim wrote:

ZeusIsLoose wrote:

fendilim wrote:Not surprised to see us entertaining offers for Harris. Clearly, either Gordon or Harris has to go. The duplication on the roster and both Gordon(yet) and Harris has not proven to be capable of playing the four.

You aren't serious about Gordon r u? dude has played well since starting and still ONLY 20 years old. has tons of potential. no freaking way I trade Gordon until I know what I really have in him.

Harris on the other hand I believe is what he is. if he is to be traded, it needs to make sense for magic long term

first of all, i said YET with regards to Gordon playing PF.

As far as saying Gordon is tradable, not gonna lie, but to say we have untouchables in our roster is absurd.

Gordon is doing good as a starter, yes. But if we can get a potential superstar, why not?

Why give away one hoping to get one back?

I think many of us saw this coming. We did what we had to last year by not letting him walk. Sign him, see how it works out, then trade if we need to. Rob did the right thing .

Tobias has done some good things for us over the years but unfortunately he just doesnt fit with this team and its players. He is the odd man out with AG and Mario coming out. While Tobes has alot of good things, he has many flaws in his game that hurts us. Not going to list everything because he gives an effort out there but plays inconsistent and lackluster D.

I believe we just expected too much out of him. Being the steal of that JJ trade and exploding like that with us. Alot of fans had him as our future go to player and maybe all star. Unfortunately Tobes has his limitations and just done see him getting there. Not saying ever. Maybe a change of scenery is what he needs.

Agree with Howard, lets not trade him just to trade him. That is not fair to Tobes or smart for us. Listen to offers and if something enticing comes us, pull the plug if Rob thinks it will make our team better. If we keep him, fine with that too but I just believe he will have to take a lesser role.

As much we criticize him, one thing we all have to agree with is that if we trade him, alot if not all of us will miss him. At least in the beginning. Tobes has been with us since Dwightmare and he was the first player to show potential and a bright future for us. It will be weird seeing him in another color except the blue and white at the beginning. But the NBA is a business and thats part of the game.

I think Gordon and Harris would develop into solid pairing at 3/4, if the team would be patient. Harris, while flawed, is the least of the problems for this team. Doubt a player that would come back could fix that. Well, could, if f.o. goes for someone like Taj or Jrue .

MAGICian619 wrote:

fendilim wrote:

ZeusIsLoose wrote:You aren't serious about Gordon r u? dude has played well since starting and still ONLY 20 years old. has tons of potential. no freaking way I trade Gordon until I know what I really have in him.

Harris on the other hand I believe is what he is. if he is to be traded, it needs to make sense for magic long term

first of all, i said YET with regards to Gordon playing PF.

As far as saying Gordon is tradable, not gonna lie, but to say we have untouchables in our roster is absurd.

Gordon is doing good as a starter, yes. But if we can get a potential superstar, why not?

Why give away one hoping to get one back?

oh gawd... Here they come again... *runs*

fendilim wrote:

MAGICian619 wrote:

fendilim wrote:first of all, i said YET with regards to Gordon playing PF.

As far as saying Gordon is tradable, not gonna lie, but to say we have untouchables in our roster is absurd.

Gordon is doing good as a starter, yes. But if we can get a potential superstar, why not?

Why give away one hoping to get one back?

oh gawd... Here they come again... *runs*

He's not wrong. Now, if you're talking about trading AG and getting an actual superstar, then you have a different conversation... And to be honest, I still wouldn't trade him (unless it's for a top 5 player) because what's the point of trading your whole team (because it would probably take AG, Mario, Dipo and picks) if all you're left with is one superstar?

OrlandoDream wrote:I think many of us saw this coming. We did what we had to last year by not letting him walk. Sign him, see how it works out, then trade if we need to. Rob did the right thing .

Tobias has done some good things for us over the years but unfortunately he just doesnt fit with this team and its players. He is the odd man out with AG and Mario coming out. While Tobes has alot of good things, he has many flaws in his game that hurts us. Not going to list everything because he gives an effort out there but plays inconsistent and lackluster D.

I believe we just expected too much out of him. Being the steal of that JJ trade and exploding like that with us. Alot of fans had him as our future go to player and maybe all star. Unfortunately Tobes has his limitations and just done see him getting there. Not saying ever. Maybe a change of scenery is what he needs.

Agree with Howard, lets not trade him just to trade him. That is not fair to Tobes or smart for us. Listen to offers and if something enticing comes us, pull the plug if Rob thinks it will make our team better. If we keep him, fine with that too but I just believe he will have to take a lesser role.

As much we criticize him, one thing we all have to agree with is that if we trade him, alot if not all of us will miss him. At least in the beginning. Tobes has been with us since Dwightmare and he was the first player to show potential and a bright future for us. It will be weird seeing him in another color except the blue and white at the beginning. But the NBA is a business and thats part of the game.

Vuc doesnt fit with this team either, but somehow he escapes trade talks.