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Skiles coaches good while playing Brandon Jennings while trying to win at Golden State which is about impossible then benches players that might get him a victory and does sorry coaching against Lakers to lose.

Magic know they can't get into playoffs, so are they trying to tank now?

The Magic is illustrating how valuable Vučević is for the team. And it is not on Skiles that Gordon, İlyasova, and Nicholson combined for a grant total of 9 points in 52 minutes played. The PF rotation is rotten, and the Magic is getting manhandled without Vučević. That for me is not "tanking." It's just being bad.

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drsd wrote:The Magic is illustrating how valuable Vučević is for the team. And it is not on Skiles that Gordon, İlyasova, and Nicholson combined for a grant total of 9 points in 52 minutes played. The PF rotation is rotten, and the Magic is getting manhandled without Vučević. That for me is not "tanking." It's just being bad.

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Solid point. Magic are closer to Sixers level without Vooch.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

drsd wrote:The Magic is illustrating how valuable Vučević is for the team. And it is not on Skiles that Gordon, İlyasova, and Nicholson combined for a grant total of 9 points in 52 minutes played. The PF rotation is rotten, and the Magic is getting manhandled without Vučević. That for me is not "tanking." It's just being bad.

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Solid point. Magic are closer to Sixers level without Vooch.

But blocking shots...

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LBPTarHeel27 wrote:I'm not one of the people that think we are better off without him but what makes you guys say he is so valuable based on the games without him? We competed like crazy against GSW and then beat the Lakers. Earlier in the season we went 2-1 without him...so I don't think you are including those game. Just curious where this point of view comes from? Yeah the PF rotation had a rough go last night by only combining for 9 points...but they combined for 40 the night before.

You wish

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

drsd wrote:The Magic is illustrating how valuable Vučević is for the team. And it is not on Skiles that Gordon, İlyasova, and Nicholson combined for a grant total of 9 points in 52 minutes played. The PF rotation is rotten, and the Magic is getting manhandled without Vučević. That for me is not "tanking." It's just being bad.

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Solid point. Magic are closer to Sixers level without Vooch.

I'm not one of the people that think we are better off without him but what makes you guys say he is so valuable based on the games without him? We competed like crazy against GSW and then beat the Lakers. Earlier in the season we went 2-1 without him...so I don't think you are including those game. Just curious where this point of view comes from? Yeah the PF rotation had a rough go last night by only combining for 9 points...but they combined for 40 the night before.

Skiles cut Jennings loose 2 nights ago!

Jiwol wrote:

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:I'm not one of the people that think we are better off without him but what makes you guys say he is so valuable based on the games without him? We competed like crazy against GSW and then beat the Lakers. Earlier in the season we went 2-1 without him...so I don't think you are including those game. Just curious where this point of view comes from? Yeah the PF rotation had a rough go last night by only combining for 9 points...but they combined for 40 the night before.

You wish

LOL wow...went to bed with us in the lead, woke up this morning and glanced at the box score. Assumed it was the other way around. Well thats disappointing.

Why couldn't you just let me live in my dream world?

Yes, they just dont know that they are.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

drsd wrote:The Magic is illustrating how valuable Vučević is for the team. And it is not on Skiles that Gordon, İlyasova, and Nicholson combined for a grant total of 9 points in 52 minutes played. The PF rotation is rotten, and the Magic is getting manhandled without Vučević. That for me is not "tanking." It's just being bad.

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Solid point. Magic are closer to Sixers level without Vooch.

right, its the players fault that the coach doesnt call plays for their position. 12 total shots for the PF position, yet 17 shots from just 1 SG. 40 shots total from the PG/SG spot, thats more than half the shots for the entire team.

PG - 17 shots (7 by starter)
SG - 23 shots (17 by starter)
SF - 12 shots (11 by starter)
PF - 12 shots (4 by starter)
C - 12 shots (10 by starter)

but yeah, its Gordon's fault his number isnt called for more plays

tiderulz wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

drsd wrote:The Magic is illustrating how valuable Vučević is for the team. And it is not on Skiles that Gordon, İlyasova, and Nicholson combined for a grant total of 9 points in 52 minutes played. The PF rotation is rotten, and the Magic is getting manhandled without Vučević. That for me is not "tanking." It's just being bad.

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Solid point. Magic are closer to Sixers level without Vooch.

right, its the players fault that the coach doesnt call plays for their position. 12 total shots for the PF position, yet 17 shots from just 1 SG. 40 shots total from the PG/SG spot, thats more than half the shots for the entire team.

PG - 17 shots (7 by starter)
SG - 23 shots (17 by starter)
SF - 12 shots (11 by starter)
PF - 12 shots (4 by starter)
C - 12 shots (10 by starter)

but yeah, its Gordon's fault his number isnt called for more plays

I think it is more the players fault for not looking for AG than the coach.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

tiderulz wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Solid point. Magic are closer to Sixers level without Vooch.

right, its the players fault that the coach doesnt call plays for their position. 12 total shots for the PF position, yet 17 shots from just 1 SG. 40 shots total from the PG/SG spot, thats more than half the shots for the entire team.

PG - 17 shots (7 by starter)
SG - 23 shots (17 by starter)
SF - 12 shots (11 by starter)
PF - 12 shots (4 by starter)
C - 12 shots (10 by starter)

but yeah, its Gordon's fault his number isnt called for more plays

I think it is more the players fault for not looking for AG than the coach.

Its probably a little of both. But we've physically seen Skiles call plays for the guys people are claiming he doesn't call plays for, although i'll agree inconsistently, I'm not going to fall off the damn wagon and call for a firing. Guys seem to be playing selfishly, I noticed it against the Lakers, guys were open and just getting frozen out. It makes sense though that Skiles calls the number of our best options on offense. While AG can score he isn't creating for himself consistently yet. Fournier can get his shot, so can Oladipo and of course Vooch can as well.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

tiderulz wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Solid point. Magic are closer to Sixers level without Vooch.

right, its the players fault that the coach doesnt call plays for their position. 12 total shots for the PF position, yet 17 shots from just 1 SG. 40 shots total from the PG/SG spot, thats more than half the shots for the entire team.

PG - 17 shots (7 by starter)
SG - 23 shots (17 by starter)
SF - 12 shots (11 by starter)
PF - 12 shots (4 by starter)
C - 12 shots (10 by starter)

but yeah, its Gordon's fault his number isnt called for more plays

I think it is more the players fault for not looking for AG than the coach.

if a player has a mismatch, and the other players consistently dont go to that player, shouldnt the coach say something?

They arent tanking on purpose. This is a bad basketball team as constructed with lil experience and even worse mental fortitude.

Blue_and_Whte wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

tiderulz wrote:
right, its the players fault that the coach doesnt call plays for their position. 12 total shots for the PF position, yet 17 shots from just 1 SG. 40 shots total from the PG/SG spot, thats more than half the shots for the entire team.

PG - 17 shots (7 by starter)
SG - 23 shots (17 by starter)
SF - 12 shots (11 by starter)
PF - 12 shots (4 by starter)
C - 12 shots (10 by starter)

but yeah, its Gordon's fault his number isnt called for more plays

I think it is more the players fault for not looking for AG than the coach.

Its probably a little of both. But we've physically seen Skiles call plays for the guys people are claiming he doesn't call plays for, although i'll agree inconsistently, I'm not going to fall off the damn wagon and call for a firing. Guys seem to be playing selfishly, I noticed it against the Lakers, guys were open and just getting frozen out. It makes sense though that Skiles calls the number of our best options on offense. While AG can score he isn't creating for himself consistently yet. Fournier can get his shot, so can Oladipo and of course Vooch can as well.

AG is like 20 years old. Imagine when he is 24-25 years old. Can't rush growth. He will be fine and more capable to create and score on his own as the years go by.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

Blue_and_Whte wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:
I think it is more the players fault for not looking for AG than the coach.

Its probably a little of both. But we've physically seen Skiles call plays for the guys people are claiming he doesn't call plays for, although i'll agree inconsistently, I'm not going to fall off the damn wagon and call for a firing. Guys seem to be playing selfishly, I noticed it against the Lakers, guys were open and just getting frozen out. It makes sense though that Skiles calls the number of our best options on offense. While AG can score he isn't creating for himself consistently yet. Fournier can get his shot, so can Oladipo and of course Vooch can as well.

AG is like 20 years old. Imagine when he is 24-25 years old. Can't rush growth. He will be fine and more capable to create and score on his own as the years go by.

in no way shape or form should we have to wait 4-5 more years to see AG playing well. if it takes that long, everyone involved in his development needs to be fired

Jiwol wrote:

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:I'm not one of the people that think we are better off without him but what makes you guys say he is so valuable based on the games without him? We competed like crazy against GSW and then beat the Lakers. Earlier in the season we went 2-1 without him...so I don't think you are including those game. Just curious where this point of view comes from? Yeah the PF rotation had a rough go last night by only combining for 9 points...but they combined for 40 the night before.

You wish

a good one

tiderulz wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Its probably a little of both. But we've physically seen Skiles call plays for the guys people are claiming he doesn't call plays for, although i'll agree inconsistently, I'm not going to fall off the damn wagon and call for a firing. Guys seem to be playing selfishly, I noticed it against the Lakers, guys were open and just getting frozen out. It makes sense though that Skiles calls the number of our best options on offense. While AG can score he isn't creating for himself consistently yet. Fournier can get his shot, so can Oladipo and of course Vooch can as well.

AG is like 20 years old. Imagine when he is 24-25 years old. Can't rush growth. He will be fine and more capable to create and score on his own as the years go by.

in no way shape or form should we have to wait 4-5 more years to see AG playing well. if it takes that long, everyone involved in his development needs to be fired

So, what you are saying is that he should be playing like a superstar now instead of developing into one over the next 3-5 years.

Sad part is that we are trying to win but currently player like a tanking team.

OrlandoDream wrote:Sad part is that we are trying to win but currently player like a tanking team.

This.