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I keep hearing we need to fire Rob that this all is his fault. But guys, do you every site back and say, we just weren't lucky? I mean, we wanted to build through the draft, but we lucked out. The highest pick we got was 2 and that was in the worst draft in years. In the strongest draft(2014) we luck out again and get th 4th pick. Last year we luck out AGAIn and get the 5th pick. We never were able to get a pick high enough to nab a franchise type player. Instead we got stuck drafting the best we could. And those players are good players, but none are franchise types yet, that is not Robs fault. We lucked out! Our rebuild did not go as planned, and you cannot put that all on Rob.

While I see the Lakers who have been in the lottery for 2 years and BOTH years get the 2nd pick and grabbed players who can be franchise types. Same with Twolves and sixers. We lucked out in the draft, that is not Robs fault. He has done a great job in the draft with what he had to work with.

And we needed a player like Serge BAD! Did we over pay who knows. I hear that we gave 2 lottery picks, but do u understand that this 11th pick we sent was not gonna give us a player that would have made a difference. This draft sucked bad and we did not need another rookie. But I don't blame Rob for all this, we lucked out plain and simple,

Yeah, you're right about our luck, but I wouldn't proclaim Russel as franchise, not after his rookie season.

this is why i am critical of tanking anyway. Although i am not convinced the Lakers have a better core than ours. Ingram Randle and Russell is alright but nothing special.

Here's what's unlucky: if we had drafted Porzingis, Oladipo and maybe Tobias would still be on the team right now. If we had signed Millsap (if we hadn't sucked so bad and Atlanta hadn't had that charmed 60 win fluke of a season) then same thing.

We're doing the best we can with the cards we've been dealt.

Sports suck.

Who at all since Dwight was traded, has been a sure fire all star/superstar from the draft? Maybe Towns? That's one guy out of the last 4 years. We've had some bad luck in the lotto, but really looking at it, we haven't lost out on much either.

And Knicks took him a pick ahead of us again just were not lucky in the draft. And now because our gamble did not work out, we have to change ship and go another route. Serge is a really good pick up for us, we have been saying for the longest time this team needed a **** blocker and now we have one. My only question is what happens to AG. I really don't want his min to reduce that could stunt his growth. But I guess we will have a better pic of that once FA begins

EAS Law wrote:Who at all since Dwight was traded, has been a sure fire all star/superstar from the draft? Maybe Towns? That's one guy out of the last 4 years. We've had some bad luck in the lotto, but really looking at it, we haven't lost out on much either.

Wiggins, Towns, Okafor, Prozings, Can even throw Parker in there. Russell I think is gonna be a stud too, he's just making childish mistakes.

magic111 wrote:

EAS Law wrote:Who at all since Dwight was traded, has been a sure fire all star/superstar from the draft? Maybe Towns? That's one guy out of the last 4 years. We've had some bad luck in the lotto, but really looking at it, we haven't lost out on much either.

Wiggins, Towns, Okafor, Prozings, Can even throw Parker in there. Russell I think is gonna be a stud too, he's just making childish mistakes.

Eh, I'm always the one sounding the trumpet of not closing the judgement door on really young players, but if I'm honest, the only guys I see there that have true star potential are towns and Porzingis. I could be totally off later on, but for the time being, I don't feel like we've completely gotten screwed.

Nothing is ever Rob's fault.

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The absolute best rookie rebuild by far is Minnesota. It's basically unfair how they have been able to add a complimentary missing piece each draft and it's always the BPA. Wiggins, then Towns and now Dunn. That's madness. It really is.

Haha. Weren't some of us saying how stupid it is to count on the lottery? Now you want to give him a pass because of bad luck? Planning to build through bottoming out is kind of like emptying your IRA to buy scratch off tickets.

PennytoShaq wrote:The absolute best rookie rebuild by far is Minnesota. It's basically unfair how they have been able to add a complimentary missing piece each draft and it's always the BPA. Wiggins, then Towns and now Dunn. That's madness. It really is.

I used to tease them about this in GB as they proclaimed the brilliance of their core. Then one guy pointed out how we had three #1 picks so I shouldn't complain.

I replied that we only got one Finals win out of all that. Building a championship team is hard. I wish all these rebuilding teams good luck with their pieces.

One paragraph from Lowe's recent article, pretty succinctly sums up how I feel about this:

"This is what happens sometimes when you bottom-out and don't draft a foundational star who defines the direction of your team. You try lots of stuff, and eventually you grow impatient for a playoff appearance. Is this Ibaka's team now? Aaron Gordon's? Elfrid Payton's? Does Payton top out as anything better than a poor man's Ricky Rubio?"

I was afraid this would happen. We tried to turn too early. It started with Skiles, (and almost Millsap) then Harris, and now Oladipo and a lottery pick.

We do not have a superstar, nor likely have one in the making. This Championship series which we all just Witnessed, just reaffirms what virtually all the Champions and runners-up before have shown us -- you have to a have at least one superstar, preferably a second one, and at least a small group of All Star/borderline All Stars to be a legitimate contender or Champion.

We don't have that, and I don't see anything that leads me to believe we will have it.

If we don't bring on Skiles and make this foolishly early attempt to get into the playoffs, we're probably picking #5/6 in this draft right where the Timberwolves/Pelicans picked (5 and 6 games worse than our final record, respectively.) Whether Skiles had the speculated hand in Tobias being dealt or not, if we hadn't moved him for beans, we'd have yet another young 20-something in our stable (one that went on to put up Career best PER - go figure someone in early 20s improving!) instead of gunner, struggling vet PG and a guy who didn't have much of a place in our long-term future who we'd ultimately just trade. And then finally, we deal Oladipo in a move that is most likely a lateral move in terms of talent, even if it is better fit, and give away a draft pick to boot.

If we just go back in the not so distant past and don't make those moves, we're sitting with something like:

Payton
Oladipo/Fournier
Harris/Hezonja
Gordon
Vucevic

Going into the draft with the luxury of getting to pick between the likes of Dunn/Hield/Murray.

That's a ton of young talent all of which has yet to even enter its prime, and some money to throw around in Free Agency. Maybe you don't even spend money. Maybe you just go into the season and tinker -- see what you've got. With most people, you really don't know quite what you have until 3 or so years in the league. That's when guys show they're achieving that potential (that so many of them have) or that they are part of the countless numbers of players who, for one reason or another, just never achieve their potential.

In any event, at the very least, you are stock full of talent. The team probably naturally improves with the development of, like, every player on the team. You see what you've got; the league sees what you've got. If you want to then start making moves, it makes more sense -- you're nearly two deep at every position and your talent is continuing to get closer to their peak trading value.

Again, it all boils down to what I firmly believe is fact -- that you have to have at the very least one superstar and a great cast around him. We don't have that now, and we're already turning the corner toward "winning." We've traded one young guy for beans, and another (and a lottery pick to boot) for a guy who couldn't win a Championship as the third guy playing with two of the top five players in the league. And now he's the guy? If he's the third guy on a Contending team, we're still two superstars away from putting him in that role.

We jumped the gun.

KingRobb02 wrote:Haha. Weren't some of us saying how stupid it is to count on the lottery? Now you want to give him a pass because of bad luck? Planning to build through bottoming out is kind of like emptying your IRA to buy scratch off tickets.

But we didn't have an IRA to begin with.

Being at the bottom of the standings, you know, with absolutely certainty, you will get X reward within Y range. It's a given. You might get it right away, or you might need to ride it out a few times, but in any event you know you will be in a very attractive/valuable draft range.

Devin 1L wrote:

KingRobb02 wrote:Haha. Weren't some of us saying how stupid it is to count on the lottery? Now you want to give him a pass because of bad luck? Planning to build through bottoming out is kind of like emptying your IRA to buy scratch off tickets.

But we didn't have an IRA to begin with.

Being at the bottom of the standings, you know, with absolutely certainty, you will get X reward within Y range. It's a given. You might get it right away, or you might need to ride it out a few times, but in any event you know you will be in a very attractive/valuable draft range.

Make no mistake. Hennigan bottomed out intentionally. We had Dwight Howard and managed to turn that into moe Harkless, vucevic, afflalo, and Payton. Then we proceeded to pay big baby, turkoglu and Harrington to play elsewhere. This moves were made to make us far worse than we could have been in order to pick high.

KingRobb02 wrote:

Devin 1L wrote:

KingRobb02 wrote:Haha. Weren't some of us saying how stupid it is to count on the lottery? Now you want to give him a pass because of bad luck? Planning to build through bottoming out is kind of like emptying your IRA to buy scratch off tickets.

But we didn't have an IRA to begin with.

Being at the bottom of the standings, you know, with absolutely certainty, you will get X reward within Y range. It's a given. You might get it right away, or you might need to ride it out a few times, but in any event you know you will be in a very attractive/valuable draft range.

Make no mistake. Hennigan bottomed out intentionally. We had Dwight Howard and managed to turn that into moe Harkless, vucevic, afflalo, and Payton. Then we proceeded to pay big baby, turkoglu and Harrington to play elsewhere. This moves were made to make us far worse than we could have been in order to pick high.

You think continuing with what we had was a viable option. We were headed for bad/mediocre irrespective. It's not like we were the Warriors and decided to dump Steph Curry because we lost to the Cavs.

I trust Henny and I think we are heading in the right direction. It is way too soon to be grading recent trades.

July 1st can't come soon enough

magic111 wrote:And Knicks took him a pick ahead of us again just were not lucky in the draft. And now because our gamble did not work out, we have to change ship and go another route. Serge is a really good pick up for us, we have been saying for the longest time this team needed a **** blocker and now we have one. My only question is what happens to AG. I really don't want his min to reduce that could stunt his growth. But I guess we will have a better pic of that once FA begins

Gordon will now get mostly SF minutes... those who wanted to see him in that role will be happy. He'll also play PF when Ibaka slides to C for stretches. Only way AG gets his minutes reduced is if we sign a big name SF in free agency... or maybe later on if somehow Hezonja proves to be a better player.

magic111 wrote: We lucked out in the draft, that is not Robs fault.

I do not think "Lucked out" means what you think it means?
Unless my comprehension is off today, I think you're using it to say "we were unlucky".
"Lucked out" actually means somewhat the opposite of unlucky.
It means "We got lucky".

I am tired though, so if I'm off base then just ignore me. hahah