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Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 11:53 am
by tooler
Meeks .444 [EDIT] Oh haha, he only played 3 games; .373 career 3PT%
Augustin .405
Fournier .400

Parsons at .414?

It seems like we're rolling with the guys we've got and surrounding them with shooters. I still don't understand who we give the ball to in the 4th quarter.

Thoughts?

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 11:57 am
by Orlwillbeback
Like I said: Pace and Space!!!

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:08 pm
by tooler
If this is really the plan, it will be a pretty impressive switch over the course of a single summer. Elfrid and Aaron still can't shoot, but a year ago we were an awkward mish-mash of intriguing pieces that brick shots.

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:13 pm
by Orlwillbeback
tooler wrote:If this is really the plan, it will be a pretty impressive switch over the course of a single summer. Elfrid and Aaron still can't shoot, but a year ago we were an awkward mish-mash of intriguing pieces that brick shots.

Was Draymond a great three point shooter his second year?

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:23 pm
by AddiFB
Well we got shooters now.

Assuming we match Fournier, these guys can shoot reliably (mid-range and/or from deep):

Fournier
Ibaka
Meeks
Augustin
Vuc
Smith (if retained)

.. and when he gets into the NBA rythm

Mario (GOATzonja)

We hope Gordon gets his shots to fall consistently and we just hope Elf can make some. He's coming along.

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:29 pm
by Statlanta
tooler wrote:Meeks .444
Augustin .405
Fournier .400

Parsons at .414?

It seems like we're rolling with the guys we've got and surrounding them with shooters. I still don't understand who we give the ball to in the 4th quarter.

Thoughts?


This is basically what will keep our offense humming along in the middle parts of the game since we will lose a lot of close games again this year unless Elfrid, Mario, or AG take a huge leap. Vooch can't be keyed in as much late in games as well with this approach and if Ibaka actually takes the next offensive step like he thinks he can then you can see a better than expected offense(still won't be top 10 though). That said expect all these guys numbers to come down except Fournier when in a Magic Jersey since they are leaving offensive focal points(Drummond, Dirk, KD/WB).

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:29 pm
by MoMM
Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton will have a lot of space to go to the basket. Also, maybe we are thinking about giving a Nash role to Payton (except the shooting part). Let Elfrid control the game and set plays for everyone.

In addition to it, Vucevic will have a lot of space under the basket, because they won't double-team him.

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:32 pm
by Inqui
tooler wrote:If this is really the plan, it will be a pretty impressive switch over the course of a single summer. Elfrid and Aaron still can't shoot, but a year ago we were an awkward mish-mash of intriguing pieces that brick shots.

I remember reading a great piece on Grantland (RIP) a year or so ago about how three-point shooting is more a product of the environment than the actual shooter - using the example of Vince Carter dropping off significantly in Memphis and Kyle Korver suddenly breaking out when he got surrounded by great three-point shooters in Atlanta. I'm still pissed at ESPN for pulling the plug on that site, but here's the link if anyone's interested: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-nba-free-agency-3-point-shooter-danny-green-demarre-carroll/

Hopefully with Vogel we can get some similar results, and if things work out the extra spacing will help Gordon and Payton in particular look a lot better. Like you say I don't think it's a coincidence that we're targeting these guys (and Ibaka) so hopefully this is part of Rob's plan for putting everything together. Space the floor with some good shooters and hope everything becomes better than the sum of its parts.

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:32 pm
by Optimus_Steel
Vuc is a good passer so he will benefit from having more 3pt threats around him.

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:36 pm
by Nyce_1
We now have a lot of shooters to put around Dwight

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:47 pm
by RookieStar
Nyce_1 wrote:We now have a lot of shooters to put around Dwight


Is it still 2009?

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:47 pm
by tooler
Inqui wrote:I remember reading a great piece on Grantland (RIP) a year or so ago about how three-point shooting is more a product of the environment than the actual shooter...

That means Evan Fournier is basically Klay Thompson if he wasn't stuck on our crappy team. I can live with that. :D

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:53 pm
by tf407
Looks like the blazers offered parsons max and now he's meeting with Memphis.. Don't think we're in the mix anymore

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Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:57 pm
by NBlue
tf407 wrote:Looks like the blazers offered parsons max and now he's meeting with Memphis.. Don't think we're in the mix anymore

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What is dead may never die.

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 12:59 pm
by Supreme
tf407 wrote:Looks like the blazers offered parsons max and now he's meeting with Memphis.. Don't think we're in the mix anymore

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Thank god. Whoever pays him will regret it.

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 1:01 pm
by SaberT
tooler wrote:It seems like we're rolling with the guys we've got and surrounding them with shooters. I still don't understand who we give the ball to in the 4th quarter.


Hezonja. He showed he can be efficient and fearless in crunch time, few times he was on the floor in those moments he did very well.

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 1:08 pm
by Patrick1978
Henny should take a look at Mirza teletovic.
Very good shooter and veteran

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 1:10 pm
by Nyce_1
Patrick1978 wrote:Henny should take a look at Mirza teletovic.
Very good shooter and veteran

I like him a lot. Him, Acy, or West would be good backup PF players to add.

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 1:11 pm
by tooler
It's interesting to compare this strategy to some of our up-and-coming rivals like Detroit or Milwaukee.

Re: Strategy discussion: we're buying 3-point shooting

Posted: Fri Jul 1, 2016 1:11 pm
by Blue_and_Whte
Optimus_Steel wrote:Vuc is a good passer so he will benefit from having more 3pt threats around him.

I feel like Nik will benefit a lot from being surrounded by shooters.