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NBlue wrote:On ESPN's TrueHoop podcast earlier today Zach Lowe, Brian Windhorst, Ethan Straus, Baxter Holmes and Tim Bontemps all appeared to be extremely critical of Hennigan's offseason moves. The conversation was essentially encapsulated by Zach Lowe who stated in summary that "my number one goal in Las Vegas summer league is to ask as many smart NBA people as possible what in the world the Orlando Magic are doing..."

It wasn't pretty. Other notably quotes include:
"In 2 years Orlando has only done two things that made sense - extending Evan and signing Vogel -- everything else makes no sense"
-Bontemps
"I have no clue what Orlando is doing"
-Windhorst
"I know several execs were terrified of giving Biyombo a $70+M contract, maybe it will work out fine but..."
-Holmes
And my favorite one of all (in that it is patently absurd):
"considering [the Magic] could have gotten serious about Al Horford and at least made a run for him and it being a Florida connection there and instead they spend $22M in cap space on Jodie Meeks and Jeff Green, ummm, I am just completely at a loss."

Of course, as we are all well aware, Hennigan's moves have never been particularly popular and this is not even getting into Bill Simmons criticism of the Dipo trade as an "outright theft" by OKC. Personally, I'm rather positive about the moves -- much more so than Windhorst and Lowe in particular. However, I wonder if my opinion is so biased I can't see objectively.

Anyway, if you want to listen the discussion begins around the 38 minute mark here: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=17012381

OrlandO wrote:Lowe still thinks the Magic are committed to AG at the 4... someone should let him know he'll play the 3 this year. Would at least stop his "no minutes" for Gordon rants.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

NBlue wrote:On ESPN's TrueHoop podcast earlier today Zach Lowe, Brian Windhorst, Ethan Straus, Baxter Holmes and Tim Bontemps all appeared to be extremely critical of Hennigan's offseason moves. The conversation was essentially encapsulated by Zach Lowe who stated in summary that "my number one goal in Las Vegas summer league is to ask as many smart NBA people as possible what in the world the Orlando Magic are doing..."

It wasn't pretty. Other notably quotes include:
"In 2 years Orlando has only done two things that made sense - extending Evan and signing Vogel -- everything else makes no sense"
-Bontemps
"I have no clue what Orlando is doing"
-Windhorst
"I know several execs were terrified of giving Biyombo a $70+M contract, maybe it will work out fine but..."
-Holmes
And my favorite one of all (in that it is patently absurd):
"considering [the Magic] could have gotten serious about Al Horford and at least made a run for him and it being a Florida connection there and instead they spend $22M in cap space on Jodie Meeks and Jeff Green, ummm, I am just completely at a loss."

Of course, as we are all well aware, Hennigan's moves have never been particularly popular and this is not even getting into Bill Simmons criticism of the Dipo trade as an "outright theft" by OKC. Personally, I'm rather positive about the moves -- much more so than Windhorst and Lowe in particular. However, I wonder if my opinion is so biased I can't see objectively.

Anyway, if you want to listen the discussion begins around the 38 minute mark here: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=17012381

I may be in the extreme minority here, but I sort of agree with just about all those negative bashings. I am just hoping for the best and trying to take the best out of the situation and really trying to be positive.

NBlue wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

NBlue wrote:On ESPN's TrueHoop podcast earlier today Zach Lowe, Brian Windhorst, Ethan Straus, Baxter Holmes and Tim Bontemps all appeared to be extremely critical of Hennigan's offseason moves. The conversation was essentially encapsulated by Zach Lowe who stated in summary that "my number one goal in Las Vegas summer league is to ask as many smart NBA people as possible what in the world the Orlando Magic are doing..."

It wasn't pretty. Other notably quotes include:
"In 2 years Orlando has only done two things that made sense - extending Evan and signing Vogel -- everything else makes no sense"
-Bontemps
"I have no clue what Orlando is doing"
-Windhorst
"I know several execs were terrified of giving Biyombo a $70+M contract, maybe it will work out fine but..."
-Holmes
And my favorite one of all (in that it is patently absurd):
"considering [the Magic] could have gotten serious about Al Horford and at least made a run for him and it being a Florida connection there and instead they spend $22M in cap space on Jodie Meeks and Jeff Green, ummm, I am just completely at a loss."

Of course, as we are all well aware, Hennigan's moves have never been particularly popular and this is not even getting into Bill Simmons criticism of the Dipo trade as an "outright theft" by OKC. Personally, I'm rather positive about the moves -- much more so than Windhorst and Lowe in particular. However, I wonder if my opinion is so biased I can't see objectively.

Anyway, if you want to listen the discussion begins around the 38 minute mark here: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=17012381

I may be in the extreme minority here, but I sort of agree with just about all those negative bashings. I am just hoping for the best and trying to take the best out of the situation and really trying to be positive.

I think all of them may well have merit -- save Windhorst's bloviating about the fact we should have signed Horford instead of Green and Meeks. So many things that make no sense about that analysis its difficult to know even where to begin.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

NBlue wrote:On ESPN's TrueHoop podcast earlier today Zach Lowe, Brian Windhorst, Ethan Straus, Baxter Holmes and Tim Bontemps all appeared to be extremely critical of Hennigan's offseason moves. The conversation was essentially encapsulated by Zach Lowe who stated in summary that "my number one goal in Las Vegas summer league is to ask as many smart NBA people as possible what in the world the Orlando Magic are doing..."

It wasn't pretty. Other notably quotes include:
"In 2 years Orlando has only done two things that made sense - extending Evan and signing Vogel -- everything else makes no sense"
-Bontemps
"I have no clue what Orlando is doing"
-Windhorst
"I know several execs were terrified of giving Biyombo a $70+M contract, maybe it will work out fine but..."
-Holmes
And my favorite one of all (in that it is patently absurd):
"considering [the Magic] could have gotten serious about Al Horford and at least made a run for him and it being a Florida connection there and instead they spend $22M in cap space on Jodie Meeks and Jeff Green, ummm, I am just completely at a loss."

Of course, as we are all well aware, Hennigan's moves have never been particularly popular and this is not even getting into Bill Simmons criticism of the Dipo trade as an "outright theft" by OKC. Personally, I'm rather positive about the moves -- much more so than Windhorst and Lowe in particular. However, I wonder if my opinion is so biased I can't see objectively.

Anyway, if you want to listen the discussion begins around the 38 minute mark here: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=17012381

I may be in the extreme minority here, but I sort of agree with just about all those negative bashings. I am just hoping for the best and trying to take the best out of the situation and really trying to be positive.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

NBlue wrote:On ESPN's TrueHoop podcast earlier today Zach Lowe, Brian Windhorst, Ethan Straus, Baxter Holmes and Tim Bontemps all appeared to be extremely critical of Hennigan's offseason moves. The conversation was essentially encapsulated by Zach Lowe who stated in summary that "my number one goal in Las Vegas summer league is to ask as many smart NBA people as possible what in the world the Orlando Magic are doing..."

It wasn't pretty. Other notably quotes include:
"In 2 years Orlando has only done two things that made sense - extending Evan and signing Vogel -- everything else makes no sense"
-Bontemps
"I have no clue what Orlando is doing"
-Windhorst
"I know several execs were terrified of giving Biyombo a $70+M contract, maybe it will work out fine but..."
-Holmes
And my favorite one of all (in that it is patently absurd):
"considering [the Magic] could have gotten serious about Al Horford and at least made a run for him and it being a Florida connection there and instead they spend $22M in cap space on Jodie Meeks and Jeff Green, ummm, I am just completely at a loss."

Of course, as we are all well aware, Hennigan's moves have never been particularly popular and this is not even getting into Bill Simmons criticism of the Dipo trade as an "outright theft" by OKC. Personally, I'm rather positive about the moves -- much more so than Windhorst and Lowe in particular. However, I wonder if my opinion is so biased I can't see objectively.

Anyway, if you want to listen the discussion begins around the 38 minute mark here: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=17012381

I may be in the extreme minority here, but I sort of agree with just about all those negative bashings. I am just hoping for the best and trying to take the best out of the situation and really trying to be positive.

Crafting a coherent identity -- deciding "This is how we play," and actually playing that way -- is almost a form of magic. Forcing it top-down doesn't work without the right players. Finding those players is hard, and contracts are so short now, teams barely have time to experiment with each brew.

Sometimes a star defines your identity. You get Tim Duncan, you play a certain style. Sometimes a secondary player reveals an identity a team never envisioned. The Magic splurged on Rashard Lewis, shifted him to power forward, and uncovered a lethal spread pick-and-roll system. Draymond Green is an accident.

Teams undermine the search by flinging themselves from one shiny object to another. The Magic since Dwight Howard's ugly departure have stood for hard work, then defense, then pace of play, then Scott Skiles' defense again. Victor Oladipo was the trumped-up tentpole for a lot of that, and now he's gone -- along with more than half the players who began last season in Orlando. The hiring of Frank Vogel makes four coaches in 18 months.

Serge Ibaka, Bismack Biyombo and Nikola Vucevic will battle Aaron Gordon for precious minutes up front. Jeff Green clutters up that crowd on a massive one-year deal in Tobias Harris' salary slot, for some reason.

There are a lot of interesting pieces here. Vogel is a great coach, and Evan Fournier's five-year, $85 million extension is a home run. But no one in the league has any idea what Orlando's vision is at this point.

j-ragg wrote:I'd rather have BB at 23 years old for 72 million than Horford entering his 30s for 113 million.

Max Power wrote:I agree with a lot of the criticisms here. We could have added another rim defender a hell of a lot cheaply that handing 70mil to Bizmack and avoided the Biz v Vuc debate. It shouldn't even be one. Vuc is better at everything except shot blocking. He's perfect next to Ibaka and should be one of the better front courts in the conference if Ibaka is given some offensive freedom.

The more I think about this team it's obvious what happening. They're locking Aaron Gordon on the microscope and taking a very long look at what they have with him. They're protecting him with Bizmack and Serge up front defensively and flanking him. With Vuc and Fournier as backup scorers, but make no mistake this team is watching whether or not Gordon makes the Magic his team. If he does, we have the next great Magic star in house. If not, maybe he enhances his profile enough to help us bring in our next great star via trade.


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Nightman wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

NBlue wrote:On ESPN's TrueHoop podcast earlier today Zach Lowe, Brian Windhorst, Ethan Straus, Baxter Holmes and Tim Bontemps all appeared to be extremely critical of Hennigan's offseason moves. The conversation was essentially encapsulated by Zach Lowe who stated in summary that "my number one goal in Las Vegas summer league is to ask as many smart NBA people as possible what in the world the Orlando Magic are doing..."

It wasn't pretty. Other notably quotes include:
"In 2 years Orlando has only done two things that made sense - extending Evan and signing Vogel -- everything else makes no sense"
-Bontemps
"I have no clue what Orlando is doing"
-Windhorst
"I know several execs were terrified of giving Biyombo a $70+M contract, maybe it will work out fine but..."
-Holmes
And my favorite one of all (in that it is patently absurd):
"considering [the Magic] could have gotten serious about Al Horford and at least made a run for him and it being a Florida connection there and instead they spend $22M in cap space on Jodie Meeks and Jeff Green, ummm, I am just completely at a loss."

Of course, as we are all well aware, Hennigan's moves have never been particularly popular and this is not even getting into Bill Simmons criticism of the Dipo trade as an "outright theft" by OKC. Personally, I'm rather positive about the moves -- much more so than Windhorst and Lowe in particular. However, I wonder if my opinion is so biased I can't see objectively.

Anyway, if you want to listen the discussion begins around the 38 minute mark here: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=17012381

I may be in the extreme minority here, but I sort of agree with just about all those negative bashings. I am just hoping for the best and trying to take the best out of the situation and really trying to be positive.

I feel pretty much the same exact way. Most of our moves have seemed questionable at best to me lately and I'm scared it's Rob making panic moves to save his job.

But hey, worst comes to worst, the talking heads were right and we made mistakes. But maybe Rob knows exactly what he's doing. We've seen multiple "bad" trades turn out well for us in the past so maybe this is the year we start to come together as a real team and prove the world wrong. No use in moping and assuming the former, might as well hope for the latter.

j-ragg wrote:I'd rather have BB at 23 years old for 72 million than Horford entering his 30s for 113 million.

BadMofoPimp wrote:I have a feeling the Magic were bidding against themselves on Bizmark.