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Hello Magic fans,
Raptors fan here and just curious to hear your thoughts on Biyombo signing. I was initially hoping that Raptors would sign him but after seeing that price tag I was happy we didn't pay him that much. Watching him in the playoff series I was impressed with Biyombo but I felt he was just at the right place at the right time and was able to capitalize. By this I mean that he's not going to be playing like that all season or even close to that. I think he's a Great backup center but he will definitely struggle as a starting center. His main asset is his energy and enthusiasm which I don't see him sustaining over 48 minutes. He's also a massive offensive liability, I saw him miss 5 footers frequently and hesitating to shoot from short range. He lacks the basic offensive skills that most college players have. In fact the rookie Raptors selected Jakob seems to be have a better offensive game than what I saw from Biyombo. His best asset is his defensive capabilities and he's a great shot blocker. But I don't see shot blocking being enough to justify a $17 million contract.

Some of my friends were really upset that Biyombo left but they're casual fans and they have no idea how crippling a bad contract can be. I am just curious to hear your thoughts about whether you guys think this was a good signing or a bad signing.

Luckily, we have a starting center and don't have to worry about Biyombo sustaining high levels of energy for 48 minutes a night. Hell, if he can give us 24 minutes of high intensity play (like he did in the playoffs, we'll be very good defensively.

I can understand some hesitancy; his offensive short-comings aren't negligible. I wasn't too bent up about the price tag however, mainly because we had such a huge need for defense in the front court and Vogel has stated he likes to have a shot-blocker on the floor at all times.I thought he earned the money fair and square with his playoff performance; he came up big in the most high-stakes games of the year, which counts for something to me. For a young team who lacked interior defense, I thought it was fair to go hard after another guy who fits the culture we're trying to build here, fills a need, and also fit the timeline of the rest of the young core. We maintained enough flexibility to get to a max contract offer next off-season, so it's not a huge burden. And it gives us some flexibility to make trades if need be down the road, whether it be Vucevic or Biyombo himself.

Seeing what other big men went for in free agency this year, I was actually kind of happy about the price we got Biyombo at. Joakim Noah, who is 30+, has tons of miles, and coming off another injury-riddled season got the same contract. Ian Mahinmi and Timofey Mozgov both got 64/4. So it's not totally far off market value. I tend to look at it as we used the cap space we freed up by trading Tobias Harris to get Biyombo, which is fine. We had a surplus of forwards and dearth of bigs.

I also don't anticipate Biyombo starting. It's still Vucevic's spot to lose. I agree with thelead in that if we just get 24 mpg of high energy and defensive tenacity, I'd be ecstatic.

I'm happy with that considering deandre Jordan is being paid considerably more, and guys like mozgov, mahimni, noah and turner being pad similar amounts. Defensive centers usually get paid because they're great role players capable of having a big impact, and Biyombo is one of the best in that regard. Everyone was overpaid this offseason, and in comparison, I don't think Biyombo was overpaid too much. I honestly thought he'd get 20 mill/yr and I thought (and still think) he is worth 15 mill/yr.

I also don't see why you think he'll regress. He's not going to play 48 mpg. More like 28 mpg. Which is only 6 mpg more than he had last year. I think the best is yet to come with Biyombo. I think Vogel is the best coach he has ever played for and I think he'll put him in a great position to succeed, like he did with Hibbert. I dont see Biyombo's game not translating to another team. He plays defense, hustles, cleans the boards, and gets easy buckets. He'll produce as long as your team has some structure and a winning mentality. I think the Raptors are going to feel the impact of his loss unless Nogueira steps up big time. Biyombo was a huge reason why the Raptors jumped from 25th in DRTG in 2014-2015 to 11th in 2015-2016.

Several analysts reported that in fact Biyombo was a bargain at 17m when you take into account the cap increase.

In old cap standards 17m equates to around 12/13m yr which for a young defensive stud makes perfect sense and I'll do that deal x10 over.

People are simply not that knowledgeable on the cap and the effect it has on modern day contracts. They see 72m for a role player and immediately claim it's an awful contract but in reality it's a fair to almost bargain contract. The cap is going to rise again and Biyombos contract would look even more desirable.

On top of all that I rather have Biyombos contract with his youth and defensive upside then Noah/Mihinmi/Ezeli/Mosgoz/Horford/Howard and their respective contracts.

Additionally, I've said this once and I'll say it again. Vogel has a "proven" track record in turning his role players into studs so I have all the faith in him to making Biyombo into exactly the player we need him to be.

The market rate doesn't really legitimize the contract terms. Biyombo could become the next Adonal Foyle. Big contracts to backup bigs aren't new and they certainly don't always work out. But it seems to me that the OP came in here to tell us about the sour grapes we just bought. There isn't anything here that wasn't said shortly after the signing was announced.

Btw in 22 starts last season Biyombo averaged:

30 MPG- 7.2 PPG-12.2 RPG-2 BPG-3 PF- 55% FG

the Magic have 4 guys capable of grabbing 15-20 RPG in Vucevic, Ibaka, Biyombo and Gordon. They're going to dominate the boards.

I wanted him since the middle of last season. I don't mind what we paid, but I was surprised that we got him.... and I think Vogel will put him in positions to succeed out there.

cbjrdm wrote:Hello Magic fans,
Raptors fan here and just curious to hear your thoughts on Biyombo signing. I was initially hoping that Raptors would sign him but after seeing that price tag I was happy we didn't pay him that much. Watching him in the playoff series I was impressed with Biyombo but I felt he was just at the right place at the right time and was able to capitalize. By this I mean that he's not going to be playing like that all season or even close to that. I think he's a Great backup center but he will definitely struggle as a starting center. His main asset is his energy and enthusiasm which I don't see him sustaining over 48 minutes. He's also a massive offensive liability, I saw him miss 5 footers frequently and hesitating to shoot from short range. He lacks the basic offensive skills that most college players have. In fact the rookie Raptors selected Jakob seems to be have a better offensive game than what I saw from Biyombo. His best asset is his defensive capabilities and he's a great shot blocker. But I don't see shot blocking being enough to justify a $17 million contract.

Some of my friends were really upset that Biyombo left but they're casual fans and they have no idea how crippling a bad contract can be. I am just curious to hear your thoughts about whether you guys think this was a good signing or a bad signing.

no one plays 48 mpg. envision him playing 30 mpg, unless Vuc is moved and then maybe 30-35 mpg. While in comparison, Andrew Bogut has more offensive skills (not much but some) and yet has never averaged more than 7 ppg in 4 years at Golden State. You can have a player that is solely focused on defense and just get junk/easy buckets and have it be a winning combination.

It would make more sense to me if we had more offensive talent around him but I guess for the right team he's worth that much.

Biyombo had a very good regular season as well.

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Half of sites list his salary at 68M and the other half at 72M; which is correct?

drsd wrote:Half of sites list his salary at 68M and the other half at 72M; which is correct?

I believe it's 68 w/ incentives to reach 72 if I'm not mistaken.

cbjrdm wrote:Hello Magic fans,
Raptors fan here and just curious to hear your thoughts on Biyombo signing. I was initially hoping that Raptors would sign him but after seeing that price tag I was happy we didn't pay him that much. Watching him in the playoff series I was impressed with Biyombo but I felt he was just at the right place at the right time and was able to capitalize. By this I mean that he's not going to be playing like that all season or even close to that. I think he's a Great backup center but he will definitely struggle as a starting center. His main asset is his energy and enthusiasm which I don't see him sustaining over 48 minutes. He's also a massive offensive liability, I saw him miss 5 footers frequently and hesitating to shoot from short range. He lacks the basic offensive skills that most college players have. In fact the rookie Raptors selected Jakob seems to be have a better offensive game than what I saw from Biyombo. His best asset is his defensive capabilities and he's a great shot blocker. But I don't see shot blocking being enough to justify a $17 million contract.

Some of my friends were really upset that Biyombo left but they're casual fans and they have no idea how crippling a bad contract can be. I am just curious to hear your thoughts about whether you guys think this was a good signing or a bad signing.

Your synapsis exemplifies exactly what I thought about the whole process. Bizmark is not a full time starter because the entire team dynamics would have to be adjusted to make up for all his deficiencies.

Personally, he was grossly overpaid simply because the point that if he did not have a big playoff series, he would not have broken $10 mil this offseason. But, only because he played great in 4 to 5 games, he somehow got $17 mil per season from a team.

But, he can be an important role player who is just badly overpaid.

I'd categorize it as a slight overpay, but one of necessity due to the market conditions, and one that is acceptable given Biyombo's age and potential.

In a summer where guys you've never even heard of are getting $50m, Biyombo's contract looks terrific.

cbjrdm wrote:Hello Magic fans,
Raptors fan here and just curious to hear your thoughts on Biyombo signing. I was initially hoping that Raptors would sign him but after seeing that price tag I was happy we didn't pay him that much. Watching him in the playoff series I was impressed with Biyombo but I felt he was just at the right place at the right time and was able to capitalize. By this I mean that he's not going to be playing like that all season or even close to that. I think he's a Great backup center but he will definitely struggle as a starting center. His main asset is his energy and enthusiasm which I don't see him sustaining over 48 minutes. He's also a massive offensive liability, I saw him miss 5 footers frequently and hesitating to shoot from short range. He lacks the basic offensive skills that most college players have. In fact the rookie Raptors selected Jakob seems to be have a better offensive game than what I saw from Biyombo. His best asset is his defensive capabilities and he's a great shot blocker. But I don't see shot blocking being enough to justify a $17 million contract.

Some of my friends were really upset that Biyombo left but they're casual fans and they have no idea how crippling a bad contract can be. I am just curious to hear your thoughts about whether you guys think this was a good signing or a bad signing.

He's never going to play 48 min a game.... he's not James Harden. But what he will do is punish the other team for 24-28 min a game. Him... combined with Ibaka.... will allow us to have 2 of the top three rim protector in the league on the same team and give us 48 min of rim protection throughout 48 min. For me... yes it was only a couple of games.... but he got the opportunity and made things happen when all eyes were on him. When opportunity knocks....

the guy is 23 yo.... was a lottery pick that has taken time to come into fruition. The same way Oladipo is probably on his way up and up.... so is he.... and he's already elite at something that is important in this league. So is it a horrible pick up at that price.... nope.... not while you sit back and look at the other contract being handed out.... 4 years @ 68mil w/ incentives (AKA.... "you hold players to shooting 40% at the rim... here's an extra million dollars") Yup.... not bad at all. Poethl is a great shot blocker and scorer... but he won't bring what bismack brought for you guys on the defensive end and from an emotional standpoint. Him and Hezonja will drive that second unit with their intensity!

Overpaid for a backup center. But I do think he'll get around 30mpg which isnt really backup minutes.

tiderulz wrote:

cbjrdm wrote:Hello Magic fans,
Raptors fan here and just curious to hear your thoughts on Biyombo signing. I was initially hoping that Raptors would sign him but after seeing that price tag I was happy we didn't pay him that much. Watching him in the playoff series I was impressed with Biyombo but I felt he was just at the right place at the right time and was able to capitalize. By this I mean that he's not going to be playing like that all season or even close to that. I think he's a Great backup center but he will definitely struggle as a starting center. His main asset is his energy and enthusiasm which I don't see him sustaining over 48 minutes. He's also a massive offensive liability, I saw him miss 5 footers frequently and hesitating to shoot from short range. He lacks the basic offensive skills that most college players have. In fact the rookie Raptors selected Jakob seems to be have a better offensive game than what I saw from Biyombo. His best asset is his defensive capabilities and he's a great shot blocker. But I don't see shot blocking being enough to justify a $17 million contract.

Some of my friends were really upset that Biyombo left but they're casual fans and they have no idea how crippling a bad contract can be. I am just curious to hear your thoughts about whether you guys think this was a good signing or a bad signing.

no one plays 48 mpg. envision him playing 30 mpg, unless Vuc is moved and then maybe 30-35 mpg. While in comparison, Andrew Bogut has more offensive skills (not much but some) and yet has never averaged more than 7 ppg in 4 years at Golden State. You can have a player that is solely focused on defense and just get junk/easy buckets and have it be a winning combination.

Yes....When you have elite wing players.

I don't mind the price tag considering the need and what other centers were paid. I think he's going to be a great back up.

It will be an epic season once Magic fans start turning on Bizmark when he makes a ton of mistakes on the court and doesn't perform up to expectations consistently. There will be many "WTF!!!!" moments, lol.

Based on the market it doesn't seem like an overpay. No one can really judge the contract until he actually plays a game in a Magic jersey anyways..