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PrimeShaq wrote:I'll be going as well!! Really think Francois is going to have a similar season to Jameis's first year. He's also handing the ball off to Dalvin so there's not too much he should have to do. Really excited for Monday it should be a really good game Ole miss looks legit. Think it's going to be a great season though.
Go noles!

MagicFan101 wrote:

PrimeShaq wrote:I'll be going as well!! Really think Francois is going to have a similar season to Jameis's first year. He's also handing the ball off to Dalvin so there's not too much he should have to do. Really excited for Monday it should be a really good game Ole miss looks legit. Think it's going to be a great season though.
Go noles!

What has you feeling Francois will have a year anywhere close to what Jameis did in his first year?

The hype around Jameis was enormous in recruiting. That hype grew and grew and grew while he was red-shirting as the menorable practice highlights were often by him rather than the guy playing that week. The coaches obviously don't talk about players who aren't playing but word around the lockeroom, the media and campus was that something special was on the bench and ready to erupt the following year. Even these high expectations did not live up to the reality. He was / is that good.

I'm hearing a lot of good things about him being able to both manage the offense with smart decisions while also having the big arm when needed. This is what you want to hear when you have Dalvin Cook along with the wide outs and O-line we do. But nothing I'm hearing is on par with what we heard for in anticipation of Jameis.

So what have you heard that has you believing this?

Man, he's great. He's great with the ball," Walker said. "He knows how to take control of the huddle, the wide receivers. Doing the small things like listening to coach Fisher, listening to [quarterbacks coach Randy] Sanders. Then also staying after practice and doing those things

MagicFan101 wrote:Maybe attending FSU in the Chris Rix era has made a pessimist of me but you should temper your expectations.

Many QBs are redshirted to come in with a year of learning before flopping,

Not all recruiting classes are created equal.

I 100% agree that the noise around Francois is all positive. But comparing his hype now to that of Winston coming into his starting role year is like comparing draftee Wiggins to draftee Lebron. Wiggins was far and away the #1 prized pick. Lebron was an unmatched spectacle.

Nemesis21 wrote:

MagicFan101 wrote:Maybe attending FSU in the Chris Rix era has made a pessimist of me but you should temper your expectations.

Many QBs are redshirted to come in with a year of learning before flopping,

Not all recruiting classes are created equal.

I 100% agree that the noise around Francois is all positive. But comparing his hype now to that of Winston coming into his starting role year is like comparing draftee Wiggins to draftee Lebron. Wiggins was far and away the #1 prized pick. Lebron was an unmatched spectacle.

I'll answer your question from your previous post, why anyone would compare his freshman season to Jameis's. Three simple words, Coach Jimbo Fisher. Do you not watch games anymore? Jimbo is a QB whisperer. I trust any QB under his guidance. Trust me I hated the Rix era too, but his OC was Jeff Freakin' Bowden. If Jimbo were around during Rix era, I have no doubt Rix would have one a Heisman, like many believed he could coming out of high school. Hell if Rix was during the Richt OC era, he would have one a Heisman.

Will Francois win a Heisman? TBD, but I have confidence in the kid, because Jimbo is his coach. Jimbo isn't going to ask him to throw for 4000 yds and 40 TDs. He's going to ask Francois to manage the game, don't turn the ball over and let Dalvin Cook do the majority of damage that we will do on offense.

MagicFan101 wrote:

PrimeShaq wrote:I'll be going as well!! Really think Francois is going to have a similar season to Jameis's first year. He's also handing the ball off to Dalvin so there's not too much he should have to do. Really excited for Monday it should be a really good game Ole miss looks legit. Think it's going to be a great season though.
Go noles!

What has you feeling Francois will have a year anywhere close to what Jameis did in his first year?

The hype around Jameis was enormous in recruiting. That hype grew and grew and grew while he was red-shirting as the menorable practice highlights were often by him rather than the guy playing that week. The coaches obviously don't talk about players who aren't playing but word around the lockeroom, the media and campus was that something special was on the bench and ready to erupt the following year. Even these high expectations did not live up to the reality. He was / is that good.

I'm hearing a lot of good things about him being able to both manage the offense with smart decisions while also having the big arm when needed. This is what you want to hear when you have Dalvin Cook along with the wide outs and O-line we do. But nothing I'm hearing is on par with what we heard for in anticipation of Jameis.

So what have you heard that has you believing this?

MagicFan101 wrote:

Nemesis21 wrote:

MagicFan101 wrote:Maybe attending FSU in the Chris Rix era has made a pessimist of me but you should temper your expectations.

Many QBs are redshirted to come in with a year of learning before flopping,

Not all recruiting classes are created equal.

I 100% agree that the noise around Francois is all positive. But comparing his hype now to that of Winston coming into his starting role year is like comparing draftee Wiggins to draftee Lebron. Wiggins was far and away the #1 prized pick. Lebron was an unmatched spectacle.

I'll answer your question from your previous post, why anyone would compare his freshman season to Jameis's. Three simple words, Coach Jimbo Fisher. Do you not watch games anymore? Jimbo is a QB whisperer. I trust any QB under his guidance. Trust me I hated the Rix era too, but his OC was Jeff Freakin' Bowden. If Jimbo were around during Rix era, I have no doubt Rix would have one a Heisman, like many believed he could coming out of high school. Hell if Rix was during the Richt OC era, he would have one a Heisman.

Will Francois win a Heisman? TBD, but I have confidence in the kid, because Jimbo is his coach. Jimbo isn't going to ask him to throw for 4000 yds and 40 TDs. He's going to ask Francois to manage the game, don't turn the ball over and let Dalvin Cook do the majority of damage that we will do on offense.

You can't fix stupid. Chris Rix was never going to be good. If it were the system an NFL team would have shared your faith and given him a shot.

I like this kid and am happy he is replacing Maguire. But to expect Jameis level play is cruel to both him and yourself. We don't need that from him. Avoid turn overs and hit your targets when they are there while letting Cook do his thing. That is all we need.

Just Plain Mark wrote:I'm going with my wife, daughters and my dad. This will be my first FSU game in almost 10 years and it will be my two daughters' first game ever so I'm pretty excited. I hope the weather improves.

As for the game, my expectation is that the defense will be better (both the secondary and the linebackers), the O-line will be slightly better, and that Francois will be at least as good as Golson/Smag were last year. Maguire threw 11 TD's to 6 INT's and Golson just couldn't cut it as the season wore on.

I don't expect Francois to be as good as Winston was, but Jameis didn't have Dalvin Cook in the backfield so while the offense won't be as good as the 2013 team, I think it will be good enough to make a run at the CFP.

Nemesis21 wrote:

MagicFan101 wrote:

Nemesis21 wrote:

I'll answer your question from your previous post, why anyone would compare his freshman season to Jameis's. Three simple words, Coach Jimbo Fisher. Do you not watch games anymore? Jimbo is a QB whisperer. I trust any QB under his guidance. Trust me I hated the Rix era too, but his OC was Jeff Freakin' Bowden. If Jimbo were around during Rix era, I have no doubt Rix would have one a Heisman, like many believed he could coming out of high school. Hell if Rix was during the Richt OC era, he would have one a Heisman.

Will Francois win a Heisman? TBD, but I have confidence in the kid, because Jimbo is his coach. Jimbo isn't going to ask him to throw for 4000 yds and 40 TDs. He's going to ask Francois to manage the game, don't turn the ball over and let Dalvin Cook do the majority of damage that we will do on offense.

You can't fix stupid. Chris Rix was never going to be good. If it were the system an NFL team would have shared your faith and given him a shot.

I like this kid and am happy he is replacing Maguire. But to expect Jameis level play is cruel to both him and yourself. We don't need that from him. Avoid turn overs and hit your targets when they are there while letting Cook do his thing. That is all we need.

I'm not even going to waste my time, giving this a full reply.

Nemesis21 wrote:

Just Plain Mark wrote:I'm going with my wife, daughters and my dad. This will be my first FSU game in almost 10 years and it will be my two daughters' first game ever so I'm pretty excited. I hope the weather improves.

As for the game, my expectation is that the defense will be better (both the secondary and the linebackers), the O-line will be slightly better, and that Francois will be at least as good as Golson/Smag were last year. Maguire threw 11 TD's to 6 INT's and Golson just couldn't cut it as the season wore on.

I don't expect Francois to be as good as Winston was, but Jameis didn't have Dalvin Cook in the backfield so while the offense won't be as good as the 2013 team, I think it will be good enough to make a run at the CFP.

Yes he did. You don't remember the loss to Oregon? He fumbled twice on runs that should have been scores for him.

Just Plain Mark wrote:

Nemesis21 wrote:

Just Plain Mark wrote:I'm going with my wife, daughters and my dad. This will be my first FSU game in almost 10 years and it will be my two daughters' first game ever so I'm pretty excited. I hope the weather improves.

As for the game, my expectation is that the defense will be better (both the secondary and the linebackers), the O-line will be slightly better, and that Francois will be at least as good as Golson/Smag were last year. Maguire threw 11 TD's to 6 INT's and Golson just couldn't cut it as the season wore on.

I don't expect Francois to be as good as Winston was, but Jameis didn't have Dalvin Cook in the backfield so while the offense won't be as good as the 2013 team, I think it will be good enough to make a run at the CFP.

Yes he did. You don't remember the loss to Oregon? He fumbled twice on runs that should have been scores for him.

We're talking about Francois in comparison to Winston during their RS Freshman year, in which Winston didn't have a nearly 1700 yard rusher who had a historic season in FSU rushing terms (Freeman ran for for just over 1000 yards and had 5 less TD's in 2013 than Cook did).

Also, while I don't expect Francois to play as well as Winston this year or any year, there was significant chatter during fall camp 2013 that Coker and Winston were even and that Coker may have even had the edge on Winston. So while Winston was certainly hyped as a recruit, he didn't blow Coker away going into the 2013 season. So, its hard to know exactly how Francois will play at this stage.