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Raptor fan here. I come in peace. Are fans happy with the signing? I haven't seen him play for the Magic yet, is he making valuable contributions to the team?

He has not played well but IMO it's not his fault because he has never played on a team like this. He is shooting an awful percentage from the floor because we don't have anyone who can create offense for him. All those easy dunks and Alley pop finishes he used to get are not there for him on this team.

no, he isnt.

Nop, 32 highest payed player in NBA, center with below 45% FG, awful TS, worst free trow perentage ever, highest number of fouls and lowest blocks per 36. Above all his inability to catch a damn ball is amazing

Obviously $72 million is a lot of money, but the Magic didn't sign him for his offense, and I think his defense has been as good as advertised. He's an elite rebounder/shot blocker/screen-setter and even though he hasn't contributed much in the way of offense yet, he has given Orlando multiple possessions because of his offensive rebounding several times. Additionally, and perhaps most importantly, the intensity and energy is always there, and he's probably the only player on the roster you could say that about.

Orlwillbeback wrote:He has not played well but IMO it's not his fault because he has never played on a team like this. He is shooting an awful percentage from the floor because we don't have anyone who can create offense for him. All those easy dunks and Alley pop finishes he used to get are not there for him on this team.

FYI. He hasn't played well on any team he has been on outside of having a good playoff series once.

If he was on a playoff team, yes with out a doubt.

BUT unfortunately he is not.

I like him, but he's clearly significantly overpaid. if you are that bad on offense, you better be very close to prime Dwight defensively and as a rebounder to be worth this kind of money and he's clearly not that.

Too early to say. I will say the most frustrating thing is watching him try and create a shot for himself on offense, or watching him post up and then get the ball and instantly turn it over if he tries to make a move. I know he's worked hard on his offense over the offseason, it's just not there though. At least not to create for himself. And it's really shown in his low FG%.

Defensively I think he's been getting better so I think the system is starting to gel. His blocks might not be as great as I'd like, but his rebounds are right where I would hope for given his minutes.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

Orlwillbeback wrote:He has not played well but IMO it's not his fault because he has never played on a team like this. He is shooting an awful percentage from the floor because we don't have anyone who can create offense for him. All those easy dunks and Alley pop finishes he used to get are not there for him on this team.

FYI. He hasn't played well on any team he has been on outside of having a good playoff series once.

Not true.

He is a career 50% fg%

He comes here and he goes down to 43%.

Biggest reason why is because he's no longer playing with Kemba Walker, Kyle Lowry or Derozan.

Orlwillbeback wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

Orlwillbeback wrote:He has not played well but IMO it's not his fault because he has never played on a team like this. He is shooting an awful percentage from the floor because we don't have anyone who can create offense for him. All those easy dunks and Alley pop finishes he used to get are not there for him on this team.

FYI. He hasn't played well on any team he has been on outside of having a good playoff series once.

Not true.

He is a career 50% fg%

He comes here and he goes down to 43%.

Biggest reason why is because he's no longer playing with Kemba Walker, Kyle Lowry or Derozan.

Regardless, Bizmark is not a scorer and will never be a scorer. His only points are mainly off putbacks or when a PG puts the ball softly into his hands when he is unguarded under the basket.

Thus, his shooting percentage is irrelevant.

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Regardless, Bizmark is not a scorer and will never be a scorer. His only points are mainly off putbacks or when a PG puts the ball softly into his hands when he is unguarded under the basket.

Thus, his shooting percentage is irrelevant.

Not true.

Deandre Jordan, Drummond, Bogut and Tyson Chandler are all the same types of players as Bismack for a Center, guys who focus on defense rebounding and finishing inside. Their high field goal percentage and ability to finish easy lobs and dunks is a big reason why they are so valuable. They are not great at creating opffense but historically they are damn good at finishing offensive plays simply with the ease at which they can dunk the ball.

Vucevic can create offense but even so his TS% has never been above 54% for a season and is 53% for his career. Deandre Jordan is at 62% TS%.

Vucevic is not a starting center in the NBA today. We even gutted the team to acquire the one guy in the league we all believed could make it work with him as our starting center, a shot blocking, rim defending, floor spacing power forward Serge Ibaka and now we have him and not only did we not get better, we are worse than we've been at any other time during the rebuild.

He's not thus far, but I'd like to see us mold him into a starting Center role. He can fit the meta center mold easily with his skill set. Watch tape over and over to find ways to be very efficient on defense without over fouling.

Orlwillbeback wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Regardless, Bizmark is not a scorer and will never be a scorer. His only points are mainly off putbacks or when a PG puts the ball softly into his hands when he is unguarded under the basket.

Thus, his shooting percentage is irrelevant.

Not true.

Deandre Jordan, Drummond, Bogut and Tyson Chandler are all the same types of players as Bismack for a Center, guys who focus on defense rebounding and finishing inside. Their high field goal percentage and ability to finish easy lobs and dunks is a big reason why they are so valuable. They are not great at creating opffense but historically they are damn good at finishing offensive plays simply with the ease at which they can dunk the ball.

Biz is nowhere near as any of these guys offensively. Jordan, Chandler and Drummond are way better at catching lobs and finishing strong, Bogut is in a completely different league as a passer. Biz is just really bad at catching the ball unless the pass is right on the money. It's not just about athleticism, you got to have good hands too which Biz clearly doesn't.

I think we should start Bismack and see what happens. We went all-in on defense this summer -- let's own it. Yes, the offense is already terrible, so sitting Vuc for Biz might seem like an illogical move. But are we going to be a defensive nightmare for the opponent or not? He could make up for his own terrible offense with his defense and offensive rebounding creating shots for the other starters. Right now we're not a good offensive team or defensive team, so why continue splitting it up? Go all defense and ugly up the game for the opponent, then you can bring Vuc off the bench for scoring punch.

Bergmaniac wrote:

Orlwillbeback wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Regardless, Bizmark is not a scorer and will never be a scorer. His only points are mainly off putbacks or when a PG puts the ball softly into his hands when he is unguarded under the basket.

Thus, his shooting percentage is irrelevant.

Not true.

Deandre Jordan, Drummond, Bogut and Tyson Chandler are all the same types of players as Bismack for a Center, guys who focus on defense rebounding and finishing inside. Their high field goal percentage and ability to finish easy lobs and dunks is a big reason why they are so valuable. They are not great at creating opffense but historically they are damn good at finishing offensive plays simply with the ease at which they can dunk the ball.

Biz is nowhere near as any of these guys offensively. Jordan, Chandler and Drummond are way better at catching lobs and finishing strong, Bogut is in a completely different league as a passer. Biz is just really bad at catching the ball unless the pass is right on the money. It's not just about athleticism, you got to have good hands too which Biz clearly doesn't.

Right which is why all those guys make wayy more than Bismack except for Bogut and Chandler who signed their contracts under the old Cap and are old anyway so wouldnt get as much for that reason.

No, but I'm happy we paid him anyways. You need to overpay to bring players to a small market lottery team, and with the cap rising, bad contracts usually only take a couple years to look like good contracts.

I believe he is on the right team. A team like the knicks, spurs or lakers could have used him in a starting role and he would be making noise more then likely. But on our team coming off the bench it's a lot of.money. I do like biz and thing he should be getting more minutes but until they decide if they are gonna keep vuc or not he won't live up to the contract.

every penny

I've been happy with him. Not good on offense but I wasn't expecting anything. He has gotten better at just catching and finishing but sometimes we give him the bball with the shot clock going down which isn't going to go well.