Hennigan's job on the line (or is it)?

[npiper17]

I just wondered if someone could clarify where the certainty of Hennigan's job security or lack thereof has been established? We've seen Brian Schmitz and one or two national writers mention it but I haven't seen anything definitive from Magic management other than 'we're making a push for the playoffs.' Are these writers putting two and two together and getting five?

There's quite a few posters on here that feel it's a certainly he will be fired if the team aren't in the playoff picture come the latter stages of the season. And I'm not saying this won't happen, I just would like to know where the assumption has come from because I haven't really seen anything that makes me feel his job is under threat - he signed a contract extension last summer.

[purpleswordfish]

Everyone knows my thoughts on Hennigan, but I think the columns you mentioned are pure speculation. He was considered to be doing well enough to get a contract extension through next season. My bet is that he gets next season to be a lame duck GM. If there isn't considerable improvement in 2017-2018, I think he'll just not get re-signed.

[drsd]

GM Hennigan's job is on the line. I cannot think that can be questioned.


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[ButchMcRae]

I personally do not feel Hennigan has done too bad of a job as a GM. We were clear winners from the Dwight trade and his only real bad transaction was the Tobias trade (Ibaka. Oladipo is still debatable). He's for the most part done a good job drafting the best player at our available draft pick other than drafting Hezonja. However my concern is our past GM's who I consider were terrible (Otis & Weisbrod) have technically done a better job then what Hennigan has done. Weisbrod Drafted D12 over Emeka and Otis took us to the NBA finals. Hennigan just hasnt been lucky in finding an all star player in the NBA Draft not to mention the possible countless time Alex Martins has over stepped on basketball decision making. I have no doubts that Hennigan maybe on the hot seat but he hasn't really been in the best position to be successful. Unfortunately You cant go 5 years with a clean slate and not atleast sniff the playoffs once.

[Max Power]

I absolutely think Hennigan's job is in jeopardy, and quite frankly it should be. 5 years of 25-30 wins is not good business in the NBA. The ownership has a right to a team that makes money, the Magic aren't the Lakers, winning is the only way this organization makes a profit.

Hennigan's draft has been a mixed bag. Our best draftee he traded for Ibaka, who I'm not drooling over. He gave up too much for his pet project Elfrid, although he's got more of my support these days on that one. Payton's improvement is glaring. Hezonja's a bust. AG has been ridiculously inconsistent but I think he becomes a 15 and 7 guy with a highlight reel rep. He's not Paul George lite.

Hennigan's trades outside of the Howard deal have been awful.

Half a decade of substandard results is more than enough evidence that someone else needs to build this team.


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[tiderulz]

I personally do not feel Hennigan has done too bad of a job as a GM. We were clear winners from the Dwight trade and his only real bad transaction was the Tobias trade (Ibaka. Oladipo is still debatable). He's for the most part done a good job drafting the best player at our available draft pick other than drafting Hezonja. However my concern is our past GM's who I consider were terrible (Otis & Weisbrod) have technically done a better job then what Hennigan has done. Weisbrod Drafted D12 over Emeka and Otis took us to the NBA finals. Hennigan just hasnt been lucky in finding an all star player in the NBA Draft not to mention the possible countless time Alex Martins has over stepped on basketball decision making. I have no doubts that Hennigan maybe on the hot seat but he hasn't really been in the best position to be successful. Unfortunately You cant go 5 years with a clean slate and not atleast sniff the playoffs once.

and i disagree from this. I think he missed out on 3 out of 4 drafts. He has had overpaid vets (Green/Gordon/DJ/Biyombo) though only Augustin/BB have long term contracts. hasnt built a team as much as get a collection of players that dont fit well.

[OrlChamps2030]

It's quite apparent Hennigan's job is on the line.

Even if he isn't a bad GM, you won't last as a GM for 5+ simply because you aren't bad. It's just not how pro sports work.

I also believe that the relationship between Martins-Hennigan began deteriorating towards the end of Vaughn's tenure here, and Hennigan lost some control as a result.

[ButchMcRae]

It's quite apparent Hennigan's job is on the line.

Even if he isn't a bad GM, you won't last as a GM for 5+ simply because you aren't bad. It's just not how pro sports work.

I also believe that the relationship between Martins-Hennigan began deteriorating towards the end of Vaughn's tenure here, and Hennigan lost some control as a result.

Yea I think they took advantage of the fact Hennigan was a first time GM. Writing is on the wall. I hope that they take the same path they did with the head coaching search and when the time comes bring in a Veteran GM.

[tiderulz]

It's quite apparent Hennigan's job is on the line.

Even if he isn't a bad GM, you won't last as a GM for 5+ simply because you aren't bad. It's just not how pro sports work.

I also believe that the relationship between Martins-Hennigan began deteriorating towards the end of Vaughn's tenure here, and Hennigan lost some control as a result.

Yea I think they took advantage of the fact Hennigan was a first time GM. Writing is on the wall. I hope that they take the same path they did with the head coaching search and when the time comes bring in a Veteran GM.

take the same path with coaching search? we have been horrible with that. Took a flyer on Vaugh, which didnt turn out well and had to fire him. FO and Ownership pushed Skiles and that turned out terrible. We just got really lucky that Bird fired Vogel. But Vogel didnt come thru some dedicated search or anything. it was just pure luck

[basketballRob]

Lol. Here we go again with these threads. You have to take in consideration that was our 16th game in 28 nights. Many of the teams in front of us are going to start falling soon when the schedule gets heavier for them. Last week the Bucks and Knicks were pounding their chest, next week it'll be fire the GM posts when they fall below 500. You can almost predict when a team is going to start losing games by looking at the schedule. I could see ahead of time that Indiana and Detroit were going to lose a bunch of games but I think both those teams finish above NY and Milwaukee.

[OrlandO]

Making the playoffs is the easiest route, but he can probably also stick around another season if the team finishes strong, just barely misses the playoffs and Ibaka re-signs. Of course, that hinges on the idea that ownership and martins actually want to retain Ibaka... kind of need henny around to accomplish that, don't we? If we miss the playoffs and execs decide they don't want Ibaka anymore or Ibaka indicates he's bolting then, yeah, henny is toast in that scenario.

[npiper17]

Lol. Here we go again with these threads. You have to take in consideration that was our 16th game in 28 nights. Many of the teams in front of us are going to start falling soon when the schedule gets heavier for them. Last week the Bucks and Knicks were pounding their chest, next week it'll be fire the GM posts when they fall below 500. You can almost predict when a team is going to start losing games by looking at the schedule. I could see ahead of time that Indiana and Detroit were going to lose a bunch of games but I think both those teams finish above NY and Milwaukee.

Hardly 'lol here we go again with these threads.'

All I'm asking is where the certainty around Hennigan's job security originated. I honestly think make or miss the playoffs, he'll still be around so I'm wondering if anyone can provide some evidence to suggest otherwise.

[anothermagicfan]

Just because we are the magic doesn't mean Hennigan is actually a magician. He doesn't have a wand that can turn s*** into gold, or force superstar free agents to sign with us, and he also can't make ping pong balls land in our favor. His trades have really good. Remember afflalo for Fournier. Looks really good now. The Tobias trade basically got us bismack. I'm OK with that deal. Tobias was an OK player on a OK contract. Bismack is the defensive/hustle kind of player we've needed for a long time. The oladipo for ibaka trade I'm also OK with. And I loved oladipo. Still like what he brings to the game, but we had evan (who rob got for afflalo) and we got more for oladipo than we would've for evan. Sometimes you got to give something good to get something good. Hennigan got a young evan fournier, a relatively young serge ibacka, a young bismack biyombo, and an experienced Jeff green for a very soon to be heading over the hill arron afflalo, a role playing Tobias harris, and the number 2 pick in a bad draft. And maintained financial flexibility. We might have the 9th highest payroll this season, but we don't have much on the books for the years following. Meanwhile ep, ag and Nick continue to make strides. We might just become a team free agents want to sign with. Oh and we still have draft picks coming in with no picks outgoing. Not to mention keeping the salary cap near the floor so the magic could continue to pay Gilbert arenas salary...which is finally over with. Now he's truly got a clean slate. Why would his job be in jeopardy? We're only a few pieces away and we have the cap space to make the moves and we are way more attractive than we were when rob took over. The record may not be what we want it to be but this TEAM and the entire organization is in a much better position to be successful for the short and the long term because of rob hennigan.

[tiderulz]

Just because we are the magic doesn't mean Hennigan is actually a magician. He doesn't have a wand that can turn s*** into gold, or force superstar free agents to sign with us, and he also can't make ping pong balls land in our favor. His trades have really good. Remember afflalo for Fournier. Looks really good now. The Tobias trade basically got us bismack. I'm OK with that deal. Tobias was an OK player on a OK contract. Bismack is the defensive/hustle kind of player we've needed for a long time. The oladipo for ibaka trade I'm also OK with. And I loved oladipo. Still like what he brings to the game, but we had evan (who rob got for afflalo) and we got more for oladipo than we would've for evan. Sometimes you got to give something good to get something good. Hennigan got a young evan fournier, a relatively young serge ibacka, a young bismack biyombo, and an experienced Jeff green for a very soon to be heading over the hill arron afflalo, a role playing Tobias harris, and the number 2 pick in a bad draft. And maintained financial flexibility. We might have the 9th highest payroll this season, but we don't have much on the books for the years following. Meanwhile ep, ag and Nick continue to make strides. We might just become a team free agents want to sign with. Oh and we still have draft picks coming in with no picks outgoing. Not to mention keeping the salary cap near the floor so the magic could continue to pay Gilbert arenas salary...which is finally over with. Now he's truly got a clean slate. Why would his job be in jeopardy? We're only a few pieces away and we have the cap space to make the moves and we are way more attractive than we were when rob took over. The record may not be what we want it to be but this TEAM and the entire organization is in a much better position to be successful for the short and the long term because of rob hennigan.

we are a losing team in the weak eastern conference. We are quite a few pieces away. We have no #1 and probably #2 options. we have to overpay for role players like Biyombo. There really is no reason for Ibaka to re-sign with us and waste his prime on this team if there are other teams such as Toronto or Portland who trade to make room for him

[anothermagicfan]

Just because we are the magic doesn't mean Hennigan is actually a magician. He doesn't have a wand that can turn s*** into gold, or force superstar free agents to sign with us, and he also can't make ping pong balls land in our favor. His trades have really good. Remember afflalo for Fournier. Looks really good now. The Tobias trade basically got us bismack. I'm OK with that deal. Tobias was an OK player on a OK contract. Bismack is the defensive/hustle kind of player we've needed for a long time. The oladipo for ibaka trade I'm also OK with. And I loved oladipo. Still like what he brings to the game, but we had evan (who rob got for afflalo) and we got more for oladipo than we would've for evan. Sometimes you got to give something good to get something good. Hennigan got a young evan fournier, a relatively young serge ibacka, a young bismack biyombo, and an experienced Jeff green for a very soon to be heading over the hill arron afflalo, a role playing Tobias harris, and the number 2 pick in a bad draft. And maintained financial flexibility. We might have the 9th highest payroll this season, but we don't have much on the books for the years following. Meanwhile ep, ag and Nick continue to make strides. We might just become a team free agents want to sign with. Oh and we still have draft picks coming in with no picks outgoing. Not to mention keeping the salary cap near the floor so the magic could continue to pay Gilbert arenas salary...which is finally over with. Now he's truly got a clean slate. Why would his job be in jeopardy? We're only a few pieces away and we have the cap space to make the moves and we are way more attractive than we were when rob took over. The record may not be what we want it to be but this TEAM and the entire organization is in a much better position to be successful for the short and the long term because of rob hennigan.

we are a losing team in the weak eastern conference. We are quite a few pieces away. We have no #1 and probably #2 options. we have to overpay for role players like Biyombo. There really is no reason for Ibaka to re-sign with us and waste his prime on this team if there are other teams such as Toronto or Portland who trade to make room for him

All of those statements are pretty much in agreement of my overall point that we are in better shape now than we were when rob took over.

[j-ragg]

I don't think he will get fired this summer under any circumstances. I think he will get next season and that will be the evaluation time and they'll decide whether to retain him or not.

[Max Power]

I'll disagree. Hennigan's seat is searing right now. 5 years of virtually no progress is what Hennigan's body of work shows. His youth movement was a failure, so is this mix of veterans. There's no clear cut plan and I suspect we'll see an attempted blockbuster trade, but ultimately Hennigan's getting his walking papers in April if there's no dramatic, sure fire progress. Half a decade of stagnant seasons are too many.


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[shadrock]

Ridiculous... hes done far more good than bad since being here and cannot be to blame for bad lottery luck. He also cannot be expected to hit on 100% of his moves, thats just not human. To me, hes been a resounding success as GM, and rather than whine about outcomes, ask yourself how you would have done a better job given the assets we had. Hindsight is 20/20 so dont give me the "draft Giannis" rubbish.

[OrlandoDream]

If we are gonna fire Hennigan then Martins and the rest of the FO follows. Why does Rob get the boot and Martins gets a pass for his mess ups? Let's be fair now. Idk what ownership expects at this point. Hypothetically, let's say Henny gets canned. Who are we gonna hire that is a veteran GM and had a history that shows he will be a fit for our franchise without jeapordizing everything we've built?

[Jameerthefear]

Didn't Adam say his job is on the line recently?

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