If you could swap Ibaka back for Oladipo would you?

[IllMagic04]

Since we are closing in on the All star break I figured its as good a time as any to discuss the trade that surprised us all. I know OKC wouldn't trade us back Dipo, this is just a hypothetical question. Its still to be determined on who won the trade, but as of today would you do a swap back?

[MagicFan101]

You have to tell us the rest of the story.

Oladipo isn't a franchise player.

Ibaka isn't a franchise player.

Fournier isn't a franchise player.

So what other moves happen and what does the rest of the roster look like? If it is just a direct swap today with Dipo and Fournier on their current contracts then hell no.

[j-ragg]

Yeah it isn't like Oladipo would make us a playoff team instead of Ibaka. Ibaka has been really good for us. And it wouldn't make sense to have Oladipo and his 80 million with Fournier and his 85 million.

[ButchMcRae]

to be honest I would have switched players around if possible and sent Fournier and kept Oladipo but that's just my preference. Both players will be solid role players but nothing more. Our ceilings in my opinion on players are extremely high in EP and AG everyone else can take a move. We need some excitement and its a pity that our only excitement this year is going to be the Slam Dunk Contest smh

[Nemesis21]

I'd consider it, but no probably not.

[Skin]

In a heartbeat.

Kehinde Babatunde Victor Oladipo never should've left. I don't hate you for trying, Henny... but I don't love you the same way either. lol

Calculated misstep that all started with that Mario Hezonja pick. It gave Henny the illusion that we had quality depth. All the talk heading into the summer of 2016 was "we need to balance out the roster". Infatuation with Fournier's offensive statistics also played a big role. "Advanced Metrics" told Henny that Fournier was a better fit next to Payton in the backcourt because we needed the better shooter. But advanced metrics still lacks in defensive analysis and more importantly it took the chemistry and intangibles factors out of the picture... NOW Henny in his latest sound bite is talking about wanting more "feel for the game" players. The definition of Dipo! Who btw was very much the pulse of the Magic. A guy who could rally the team around him. ..and NOW Dipo is shooting nearly 38% from 3pt land at 5.6 attempts/game! That dude keeps on improving! Thanks for NOTHING "advanced metrics"!

...and then lastly, this whole "shift" of being a young team that would grow together all of a sudden turned into a "let's win now team". Expectations changed dramatically. The preachy preachy words of #organic #stepbystep #sustainability vision that Henny sold us on became an idea that he gave up on the moment he traded Dipo for Ibaka.

I'm still trying to deal with it and be positive about whatever direction we go.. whether it's keeping or trading Ibaka... but I really wish we stayed the course with Oladipo.

If only we took Myles Turner instead of Mario Hezonja... wow, what a direction we'd be in right now...

Payton, Oladipo, Gordon, Turner, 2016 11th pick

[Baka_La Flame]

Depends on what we can get for Ibaka. Would you rather have Norman Powell + T.Ross and the clippers first or Dipo and Sabonis? Granted we would have to probably kick Tornto Hezonja

[Jameerthefear]

I'm between yes and no. I want to lose as many games as possible right now, but if you're saying if it were the beginning of the year I would probably say yes. I just don't think Ibaka for like 3-4 months was worth what we traded, but I'll have to see what we get for Ibaka when we hopefully move him.

[Skin]

to be honest I would have switched players around if possible and sent Fournier and kept Oladipo but that's just my preference. Both players will be solid role players but nothing more. Our ceilings in my opinion on players are extremely high in EP and AG everyone else can take a move. We need some excitement and its a pity that our only excitement this year is going to be the Slam Dunk Contest smh

Sending Fournier to OKC never would've happened. First off, Fournier was a RFA. The power was in his court on where he would land. Secondly, OKC would have had to want him (and there are no signs that they did). Presti was a big fan of Dipo since the draft. That's the guy he wanted.

The only choice we had on Fournier was matching his best offer, getting him to sign with us for less than his best offer, or pulling off a S&T with the team making him an offer that we didn't want to match. The fear was that we would have to pay him the max (and most of us thinking he wasn't worth the max). Many feared Brooklyn would offer him the max (set his market value) and that they had absolutely no assets worth a darn for us to want in any S&T.

The time to have traded Fournier was at the trade deadline prior to him hitting RFA in the summer. We wouldn't have been able to get Ibaka for Fournier then either, so any talk of wishing we had swapped players is a moot thought.

[VFX]

We would be in the same place regardless.

The difference would be that we would have sabonis (we stated we would've kept him if the trade didn't go through) and still have VO/ Fournier splitting minutes. The plus side to keeping Oladipo would have been a rotation that would have kept AG at the starting Pf -where he should be.

If and when we trade Ibaka this season (we should) we will see what his return can get us.

I'm in the camp that thinks Ibaka is a bigger difference maker to a potential contender than VO would be.

[darthcheech2000]

Voted "would consider it"

But...

I think Ibaka has more trade value then Oladipo and Sabonis would for the Magic.

For a contender, Ibaka will be the piece they need to win it all. You can not say the same for Oladipo/Sabonis.

If, we do not trade Ibaka before the deadline, then I'd perfer a swap, because Dipo would help us lose a few more games.

[OrlChamps2030]

Ibaka has had a nice individual season but for whatever reason the team has regressed in nearly every category compared to last year.

I would have liked to see what Oladipo could have done under Vogel. I know people have convinced themselves he is "capped out" but I think we could have seen more improvement.. Just look at his shooting this year

[Jameerthefear]

Voted "would consider it"

But...

I think Ibaka has more trade value then Oladipo and Sabonis would for the Magic.

For a contender, Ibaka will be the piece they need to win it all. You can not say the same for Oladipo/Sabonis.

If, we do not trade Ibaka before the deadline, then I'd perfer a swap, because Dipo would help us lose a few more games.

I think Dipo + young player has more trade value than Ibaka that's a UFA this summer, but we'll have to see if we trade him I guess.

[drsd]

There is no way Orlando could financially keep Oladipo and Fournier, and GM Hennigan clearly placed more value on the Frenchman. And that is that.

[Max Power]

Honestly, I would take Oladipo back in a nano second. He was the pulse of this team as another poster claimed. He was the energy, and the leader and was arguably the face of the team. Ibaka is a good player. He's been good, but he's not brining what Dipo did. Bringing back Fournier was one of the rebuilds biggest mistakes. I think this team progresses once Fournier is gone.


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[Statlanta]

I'll consider it. He was an improving player but that package would not make us a playoff team. The chemistry and intangibles we lost with that trade in conjunction to the Harris trade will take time to replace and with all these expiring players and Henny's job security it doesn't look like time is something we have. Ibaka is a more impactful player now but his contract situation along with our playoff situation puts us in a dilemma that Rob will have to address and that decision will decide who is employed in the seasons to come.

[MagicFan32]

it depends what happens with Serge.

I hated that trade, Oladipo was the heart and soul of the team and was making improvements, sure he has his flaws but i thought last year he was coming into his own as a defender.

hopefully we get a get good return for serge, and if we dont trade him and he walks it further shows the stupidity of this organization

[TheEnforcer]

I would still do the deal, but I simply wouldn't include Sabonis in the deal.

[p0peye]

In hindsight, I'd be more inclined to see what would Vogel do with the team Skiles took to 35 wins.

[Mc-o]

We would be in the same place regardless.

The difference would be that we would have sabonis (we stated we would've kept him if the trade didn't go through) and still have VO/ Fournier splitting minutes. The plus side to keeping Oladipo would have been a rotation that would have kept AG at the starting Pf -where he should be.

If and when we trade Ibaka this season (we should) we will see what his return can get us.

I'm in the camp that thinks Ibaka is a bigger difference maker to a potential contender than VO would be.

You don't know We would be in the same position though . Last years team won 35 games , if they would have kept dipo and added Vogel and made all the same signings , we could have improved on last years record . The chemistry would be much better and we could still move Fournier or dipo , if it didn't work out with both . With ibaka , imo he hasn't made enough of a positive impact on our team to justify what we gave up for him . Having said that rob has a chance to redeem himself , depending on what he can flip him for lol