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So, everything this season has gone wrong.

Over the top contracts to mediocre players, past high prized drafted players not developing, complete lack of chemistry between key players that many thought would take us to a playoff berth. The list goes on...

Would I be right in saying that whatever bits and pieces we get for Ibaka before the month ends will be Hennigan's last and worse move? I mean by acquiring Serge for Oladipo and then to see Vic sign that contract extension on at OKC already bloody hits home just how awful our office is run and the ride we have been taken along by Hennigan.

No team in their right mind will give up any form of assets for an expiring Ibaka so we've effectively given Oladipo away for nothing. So i guess we now wait for the new batch of scrubs to wear our jersey for the remainder of the season.

Could we have gotten more for oladipo? Yes. Do I miss him? No.

We'd be in worse situation financially going forward with Vic

Yep. It's been reported multiple times that Vic's people told Rob he wanted the max to stay in Orlando.

Dipo was a restricted free agent with us. We could have just matched him. I've supported Rob, but if we trade Ibaka, Rob should be let go. That's a move that you just can't get past.

Glad Vic is gone.

Trading Ibaka is just common sense.

I think that the glaring conclusion is that we should not have paid either Oladipo or Fournier as both are not worth that amount of money. I just like Dipo more bc of his energy and defense. Fournier is a volume chucker and a **** teammate with a bad ego. At least Dipo was liked by his team and was a willing passer....for most parts.

At the end, we picked Frenchie and the jury is still out. He can still be a good player for us if he grows up, learns to play more off ball and realize he isnt #1 option. Just need someone with balls to set him in his place. Right now we have noone in the coaching staff or player that can do that bc he is our best or second best offensive talent and we need those points. So until someone else comes along that can replace his value, we will cont seeing the same thing. Im fine with trading him for the highest pick.

Ibaka deal was a gamble and it just failed. Simple as that. Now we have to try and recoup w/e value. We will see if anyone gets desperate.

Not sure how many times it needs to be said - Vogel has asked Fournier to play this role. He is our best offensive player according to Frank. Its not about "balls" or Vogel being scared. He ASKED Fournier to be our #1 guy since this team is void of offensive talent.

ClashCityRocker wrote:Could we have gotten more for oladipo? Yes. Do I miss him? No.

Indeed.

The Magic was never keeping Oladipo. The silver lining in Ibaka is that we know now Gordon is not a SF.


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PennytoShaq wrote:Not sure how many times it needs to be said - Vogel has asked Fournier to play this role. He is our best offensive player according to Frank. Its not about "balls" or Vogel being scared. He ASKED Fournier to be our #1 guy since this team is void of offensive talent.

It may need to be said more -- I haven't seen that quoted perhaps I missed it. Would you provide the link -- thanks!

NBlue wrote:

PennytoShaq wrote:Not sure how many times it needs to be said - Vogel has asked Fournier to play this role. He is our best offensive player according to Frank. Its not about "balls" or Vogel being scared. He ASKED Fournier to be our #1 guy since this team is void of offensive talent.

It may need to be said more -- I haven't seen that quoted perhaps I missed it. Would you provide the link -- thanks!

Check the last post game interview with Frank for the first example off the top of my head.

OrlandoDream wrote:I think that the glaring conclusion is that we should not have paid either Oladipo or Fournier as both are not worth that amount of money. I just like Dipo more bc of his energy and defense. Fournier is a volume chucker and a **** teammate with a bad ego. At least Dipo was liked by his team and was a willing passer....for most parts.

At the end, we picked Frenchie and the jury is still out. He can still be a good player for us if he grows up, learns to play more off ball and realize he isnt #1 option. Just need someone with balls to set him in his place. Right now we have noone in the coaching staff or player that can do that bc he is our best or second best offensive talent and we need those points. So until someone else comes along that can replace his value, we will cont seeing the same thing. Im fine with trading him for the highest pick.

Ibaka deal was a gamble and it just failed. Simple as that. Now we have to try and recoup w/e value. We will see if anyone gets desperate.

Can't wait for the Fournier fanboys to react to this. They still think he is a starting SG when his best role is to come off the bench.

GortatExpress wrote:They still think he is a starting SG when his best role is to come off the bench.

Behind who?

PennytoShaq wrote:

NBlue wrote:

PennytoShaq wrote:Not sure how many times it needs to be said - Vogel has asked Fournier to play this role. He is our best offensive player according to Frank. Its not about "balls" or Vogel being scared. He ASKED Fournier to be our #1 guy since this team is void of offensive talent.

It may need to be said more -- I haven't seen that quoted perhaps I missed it. Would you provide the link -- thanks!

Check the last post game interview with Frank for the first example off the top of my head.

Okay I went back and listened to it -- here is the link: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/92555327-132.html

No mention of Evan at all -- there is a brief note on trying to establish Vooch and fact they double team him every time he touches it and us being 0-9 from 3 in the first half.

Is there some other thing you are thinking of where Vogel has indicated that Evan is our #1 option on offense and our "best offensive player"? It seems really out of character for Vogel to say something like that about any of our players. I'd certainly love to see the quote or clip.

NBlue wrote:

PennytoShaq wrote:

NBlue wrote:
It may need to be said more -- I haven't seen that quoted perhaps I missed it. Would you provide the link -- thanks!

Check the last post game interview with Frank for the first example off the top of my head.

Okay I went back and listened to it -- here is the link: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/92555327-132.html

No mention of Evan at all -- there is a brief note on trying to establish Vooch and fact they double team him every time he touches it and us being 0-9 from 3 in the first half.

Is there some other thing you are thinking of where Vogel has indicated that Evan is our #1 option on offense and our "best offensive player"? It seems really out of character for Vogel to say something like that about any of our players. I'd certainly love to see the quote or clip.

I do remember him saying something like that in one of his interviews but it was early in the season. Not blatantly he is our #1 option but about how he wanted the ball in his hands more and let him make plays. I remember not liking it because I feel the offense runs better when Payton is handling.

The interview was cut off, so it did not show the entire thing. I am pretty sure it was the last game in which he said Evan was our best offensive player, possibly the one before.

If this is passive aggressive thing where you want me to spend my time searching for links and quotes, I am not going to do it - you can. I know others have heard Frank say this stuff before, so it's not me making it up. If you choose to believe I am, that's fine.

Just would like to add that in 2017 Evan is shooting about 37% overall and 27% from 3. Additionally, he is averaging just about 3 turnovers per game. Certainly, he played hurt through several of those games in January but that stat line overall would seem representative of a rather inefficient offensive player. Just seems odd to me that Vogel would call him our best offensive player or something along those lines.

I should note that I think Evan is just trying too hard. I would like to see him play within the framework of the offense and be more of a catch and shoot guy than attempt to be a primary option.

woosah wrote:

NBlue wrote:

PennytoShaq wrote:
Check the last post game interview with Frank for the first example off the top of my head.

Okay I went back and listened to it -- here is the link: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/92555327-132.html

No mention of Evan at all -- there is a brief note on trying to establish Vooch and fact they double team him every time he touches it and us being 0-9 from 3 in the first half.

Is there some other thing you are thinking of where Vogel has indicated that Evan is our #1 option on offense and our "best offensive player"? It seems really out of character for Vogel to say something like that about any of our players. I'd certainly love to see the quote or clip.

I do remember him saying something like that in one of his interviews but it was early in the season. Not blatantly he is our #1 option but about how he wanted the ball in his hands more and let him make plays. I remember not liking it because I feel the offense runs better when Payton is handling.

Yes, I knew others would have heard this. He basically says that he wants the ball in Evans hands and he has said that he is our best offensive player as well. He said that recently, I thought it was last game.

The point is that Evan is doing what he is told to do. People make it out like he is this maverick ball hog defying orders and Vogel is too scared to reign him in. That's not the case at all.

PennytoShaq wrote:The interview was cut off, so it did not show the entire thing. I am pretty sure it was the last game in which he said Evan was our best offensive player, possibly the one before.

If this is passive aggressive thing where you want me to spend my time searching for links and quotes, I am not going to do it - you can. I know others have heard Frank say this stuff before, so it's not me making it up. If you choose to believe I am, that's fine.

Actually, I was asking a question because I was interested in listening to the quote. Seemed odd to me. You don't need to spend your time doing anything -- I would have just liked to hear what he said. Not sure how exactly I offended you but whatever.

woosah wrote:

NBlue wrote:

PennytoShaq wrote:
Check the last post game interview with Frank for the first example off the top of my head.

Okay I went back and listened to it -- here is the link: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/92555327-132.html

No mention of Evan at all -- there is a brief note on trying to establish Vooch and fact they double team him every time he touches it and us being 0-9 from 3 in the first half.

Is there some other thing you are thinking of where Vogel has indicated that Evan is our #1 option on offense and our "best offensive player"? It seems really out of character for Vogel to say something like that about any of our players. I'd certainly love to see the quote or clip.

I do remember him saying something like that in one of his interviews but it was early in the season. Not blatantly he is our #1 option but about how he wanted the ball in his hands more and let him make plays. I remember not liking it because I feel the offense runs better when Payton is handling.

I agree. Which is why I am a bit surprised he would have said something like that recently -- especially given Evan's struggles of late and the diminished involvement EP has had in the offense since Evan game back from injury. If Frank did encourage him to do that it would make a lot more sense. To me it seems he is forcing it but maybe that is the command from the coaching staff.