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Re: Stein: Hammond to be Magic GM (updated) 

Post#321 » by fendilim » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:11 am

Been thinking about this and i think its funny how GMs future is easily tied to one player.

Hammond was a terrible GM before he ended up with Giannis.

Hennigan was one pick away (Porsingis) from keeping his job. Heck, if KP didnt pull out from the draft the prior to the year he was drafted, Hennigan had already promised to draft him at 12th. Would still have been our gm still.
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Re: Stein: Hammond to be Magic GM (updated) 

Post#322 » by tiderulz » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:18 am

fendilim wrote:Been thinking about this and i think its funny how GMs future is easily tied to one player.

Hammond was a terrible GM before he ended up with Giannis.

Hennigan was one pick away (Porsingis) from keeping his job. Heck, if KP didnt pull out from the draft the prior to the year he was drafted, Hennigan had already promised to draft him at 12th. Would still have been our gm still.


well, you dont know that. Every possibility that KP doesnt turn into what he did while here. Its not just getting the player, its going to the right situation. Draymond didnt become Draymond until Mark Jackson was let go and Kerr used and developed him more. Jermaine Oneal was a 4ppg player in Portland and then got to Indiana and exploded. Tobias Harris 5ppg in Milwaukee, 17ppg a year later in Orlando. So its a possibility that KP doesnt develop here and Hennigan still fired.
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Re: Stein: Hammond to be Magic GM (updated) 

Post#323 » by fendilim » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:01 pm

tiderulz wrote:
fendilim wrote:Been thinking about this and i think its funny how GMs future is easily tied to one player.

Hammond was a terrible GM before he ended up with Giannis.

Hennigan was one pick away (Porsingis) from keeping his job. Heck, if KP didnt pull out from the draft the prior to the year he was drafted, Hennigan had already promised to draft him at 12th. Would still have been our gm still.


well, you dont know that. Every possibility that KP doesnt turn into what he did while here. Its not just getting the player, its going to the right situation. Draymond didnt become Draymond until Mark Jackson was let go and Kerr used and developed him more. Jermaine Oneal was a 4ppg player in Portland and then got to Indiana and exploded. Tobias Harris 5ppg in Milwaukee, 17ppg a year later in Orlando. So its a possibility that KP doesnt develop here and Hennigan still fired.
True, obviously its also the right situatation. Even Giannis wasn't doing good until they experimented him at PG.
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Re: Stein: Hammond to be Magic GM (updated) 

Post#324 » by Just Plain Mark » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:18 pm

fendilim wrote:Been thinking about this and i think its funny how GMs future is easily tied to one player.

Hammond was a terrible GM before he ended up with Giannis.

Hennigan was one pick away (Porsingis) from keeping his job. Heck, if KP didnt pull out from the draft the prior to the year he was drafted, Hennigan had already promised to draft him at 12th. Would still have been our gm still.


I don't think either Hammond or Hennigan's success or failure is tied to one player, especially as it relates to the draft. Both Hammond and Hennigan had multiple drafts to show their ability but Hammond had more success in the draft than Hennigan with less favorable draft slots with Tobias Harris, Larry Sanders, Parker, Giannis, and Brogdon.
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Re: Stein: Hammond to be Magic GM (updated) 

Post#325 » by Optimus_Steel » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:23 pm

Just Plain Mark wrote:
fendilim wrote:Been thinking about this and i think its funny how GMs future is easily tied to one player.

Hammond was a terrible GM before he ended up with Giannis.

Hennigan was one pick away (Porsingis) from keeping his job. Heck, if KP didnt pull out from the draft the prior to the year he was drafted, Hennigan had already promised to draft him at 12th. Would still have been our gm still.


I don't think either Hammond or Hennigan's success or failure is tied to one player, especially as it relates to the draft. Both Hammond and Hennigan had multiple drafts to show their ability but Hammond had more success in the draft than Hennigan with less favorable draft slots with Tobias Harris, Larry Sanders, Parker, Giannis, and Brogdon.



I agree. Giannis was his prized piece but he did pretty good with other not so favorable draft slots.


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Re: Stein: Hammond to be Magic GM (updated) 

Post#326 » by Def Swami » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:56 pm

fendilim wrote:Been thinking about this and i think its funny how GMs future is easily tied to one player.

Hammond was a terrible GM before he ended up with Giannis.

Hennigan was one pick away (Porsingis) from keeping his job. Heck, if KP didnt pull out from the draft the prior to the year he was drafted, Hennigan had already promised to draft him at 12th. Would still have been our gm still.

While I agree that luck is a big part of success of any GM, after 5 years, you have to have more to show for than Aaron Gordon and another lottery pick as your 2 best assets.
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Re: Stein: Hammond to be Magic GM (updated) 

Post#327 » by fendilim » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:54 am

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fendilim wrote:Been thinking about this and i think its funny how GMs future is easily tied to one player.

Hammond was a terrible GM before he ended up with Giannis.

Hennigan was one pick away (Porsingis) from keeping his job. Heck, if KP didnt pull out from the draft the prior to the year he was drafted, Hennigan had already promised to draft him at 12th. Would still have been our gm still.

While I agree that luck is a big part of success of any GM, after 5 years, you have to have more to show for than Aaron Gordon and another lottery pick as your 2 best assets.

Well, tbh, Hammond spent more than 5 years with nothing to show forth until hitting a jackpot on Giannis.
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Re: Stein: Hammond to be Magic GM (updated) 

Post#328 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:12 am

Been thinking about this and i think its funny how a Coaches future is easily tied to one player.

Skiles was one player away (Porzingis) from keeping his job. Heck, if KP would not have been drafted 4th and dropped to 5th, Skiles would still be our coach still and the Magic would be on the rise in this league . . .

See how hindsight can be used in multiple situations.

What if SVG stayed or was given a Coach/Gm position? You never know.
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Re: Stein: Hammond to be Magic GM (updated) 

Post#329 » by tiderulz » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:26 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:Been thinking about this and i think its funny how a Coaches future is easily tied to one player.

Skiles was one player away (Porzingis) from keeping his job. Heck, if KP would not have been drafted 4th and dropped to 5th, Skiles would still be our coach still and the Magic would be on the rise in this league . . .

See how hindsight can be used in multiple situations.

What if SVG stayed or was given a Coach/Gm position? You never know.

he isnt exactly tearing it up in Detroit
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Re: Stein: Hammond to be Magic GM (updated) 

Post#330 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:41 am

tiderulz wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Been thinking about this and i think its funny how a Coaches future is easily tied to one player.

Skiles was one player away (Porzingis) from keeping his job. Heck, if KP would not have been drafted 4th and dropped to 5th, Skiles would still be our coach still and the Magic would be on the rise in this league . . .

See how hindsight can be used in multiple situations.

What if SVG stayed or was given a Coach/Gm position? You never know.

he isnt exactly tearing it up in Detroit


Nope. He has been a better GM than coach thus far. But, I think he will turn it around in the end. He has been there only 3 seasons and was given team cap strapped with

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Andre Drummond
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Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
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