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Only if Josh Jackson falls to the kings, I would love to see us make this trade deal happen.

We send
Vuc
Fournier
Mario
2017 late first rnd pick.
2018 first rnd pick(top 3 protected) if it falls in the top 3, they get the 2019 first unprotected.
A second rnd pick(but not this year's pick).
And Lakers 2 second round picks.

For

Their 2 first rnd pick this year
And to match up the salary:

Afflalo(then release him), koufous, T. Evans and Skall Labissiere(the 2nd reason y we make this trade, cause I believe he will be a special one and with the 11th pick we had last year, that's who I wanted. It was either him or M. Richardson from the kings too for me last year.)
shttp://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

So
With the kings picks we take:

Josh Jackson(To me SG first than SF in the NBA)
Justin Patton(he'll be a real good/great center and can also play PF)

And with our pick we take
J. Issac(SF, PF)

Starting lineup:

Biyombo
Skall
*Aaron
Ross
Elf

*(Aaron at SF again because of experience compare to his peers and he might get better at that position. Just one more year with him there before we decide what to do with him.)

Bench

Koufou/Zimmerman
J. Patton
Issac
Josh Jackson/ T. Evans
Augustine/ Watson

Thoughts?..

0% chance the Kings would touch this.

j-ragg wrote:0% chance the Kings would touch this.

Way worst trades have happened in the league.. and this is not a bad deal.. it's pretty Fair to me.. it's like u trace Vuc, Fournier, 2018 first rnd pick plus the Lakers pick and well I meant to add the 2019 first rnd pick too for that 5th pick this year and Skall...
Mario, this year's late first rnd pick and a second rnd pick for the 10th pick this year...
Pretty Fair..

It was reported that the kings likes Fournier, Vuc and I bet you they like Mario too.. I wouldn't mind adding Elfrid and get a young Rozier or an experience point guard in the free agency..

By the way it's the king we talking about..

The kings suck, the Magic suck are worse. Why would the kings want the main players off a roster that won 29 games? This might one of the worst trades I've seen on here.

EDIT: and they're not getting Payton (who they would need most if they're trading both picks), or Gordon (arguably our most valuable asset). This is terrible...

The Kings wouldn't touch this trade. They are starting another rebuild and will prioritise their own draft picks to get more talent to add to their roster. Likewise I don't believe they would give with up Skal because he became an important part for them late in the season, like you, he looks like he could be something special if he continues to develop and as such the Kings wouldn't sell. Essentially the trade doesn't make them better, it helps us more, so they wouldn't touch it.

The only trade I could see happening is us doing a Bears-49ers trade and moving up one spot to secure the player we want, and pay the Kings over the odds to do it. Hopefully we have more sense than that and stick with what we've got.

Notion that Kings flat out suck in trades has some stand - from perspective of Warriors or Spurs fans, not from Magic perspective.
Magic last 5 years did way worst than Kings in terms of trades.

I just "love" how so many people belive that Nikola Vučević is worth top 5 -10 lottery pick and how teams are lining up to make a huge trade for Evan Fournier (who was FA last summer and it didn't feel like whole league is trowing max at him ).
One day you have to figure out that on bad teams only superstars have dollar- for dollar value. All other role players are viewed as stat padders on bad teams ( especially if they are not that young to being with ).
IF Brook Lopez isn't worth of a lottery pick (and Nets couldn't even get top 20 pick for him last year ) than what a hell makes you belive that somebody like Nikola Vučević, who is, at best, dumbed down ,worst version of Lopez is worth lottery pick?

Magic have nothing but Aaron Gordon to offer to move up, or they can trade half of a team to move 3 spots in a lottery, and again, is it even worth it? it's not like Durant, Curry and Lebron are lining up to go top 3. You have Fultz and huge drop in overall talent after him.

j-ragg wrote:0% chance the Kings would touch this.

yeah the Kings are not considering that. Also I am not trading next years first at all. It very well could be in the high lottery again as I don't see us making a big push upwards in the rankings if we do at all.

pepe1991 wrote:Notion that Kings flat out suck in trades has some stand - from perspective of Warriors or Spurs fans, not from Magic perspective.
Magic last 5 years did way worst than Kings in terms of trades.

I just "love" how so many people belive that Nikola Vučević is worth top 5 -10 lottery pick and how teams are lining up to make a huge trade for Evan Fournier (who was FA last summer and it didn't feel like whole league is trowing max at him ).
One day you have to figure out that on bad teams only superstars have dollar- for dollar value. All other role players are viewed as stat padders on bad teams ( especially if they are not that young to being with ).
IF Brook Lopez isn't worth of a lottery pick (and Nets couldn't even get top 20 pick for him last year ) than what a hell makes you belive that somebody like Nikola Vučević, who is, at best, dumbed down ,worst version of Lopez is worth lottery pick?

Magic have nothing but Aaron Gordon to offer to move up, or they can trade half of a team to move 3 spots in a lottery, and again, is it even worth it? it's not like Durant, Curry and Lebron are lining up to go top 3. You have Fultz and huge drop in overall talent after him.

yeah I agree with expect for that last part in that you have a huge drop after Fultz Ball is on par with Fultz and Jackson isn't too far off from those two and after that there isn't that huge of a drop.

orl-magic wrote:

j-ragg wrote:0% chance the Kings would touch this.

Way worst trades have happened in the league.. and this is not a bad deal.. it's pretty Fair to me.. it's like u trace Vuc, Fournier, 2018 first rnd pick plus the Lakers pick and well I meant to add the 2019 first rnd pick too for that 5th pick this year and Skall...
Mario, this year's late first rnd pick and a second rnd pick for the 10th pick this year...
Pretty Fair..

It was reported that the kings likes Fournier, Vuc and I bet you they like Mario too.. I wouldn't mind adding Elfrid and get a young Rozier or an experience point guard in the free agency..

By the way it's the king we talking about..

This isn't the NFL draft where a 2nd and 3rd rounder make for a 1st rounder. Nor is it a math problem where you give up a bunch of average parts and add it all up into a couple great parts. They are not giving up a chance to take two players (5 and 10)who very well could be much better than anything they get in that trade. Also they are not giving up on the potential of Skal along with that. Mario by himself probably doesn't even get u a late first. The 25th pick very well could end up being a guy who you stick on the bench and when his rookie deal is up you let him walk(possibly to an overseas league). Vuc by himself gets at best a late first but then you have to make the math work as usually the teams there don't have space to simply absorb Vuc. Fournier has about the same value but could see a bump in value due to the lack of SGs in free agency but also the draft. But I wouldn't expect anything close to a lottery pick. This league is about stars and the Kings are not going to deal two very good chances too get one or even two stars as well as young player(Skal) who is still developing and could be just as good as Vuc or Fournier. Also I haven't heard anything on the Kings liking Vuc and Fournier but even if they have it doesn't mean they are willing to give up all that. So yeah while The kings haven't been very good they aren't stupid and would hang up the phone on that one.

Kings would hang the phone up on any trade that gives up their first unless its a pick swap. Take out our 18 pick and take out their number 5 pick. Put their number 10 in instead and the kings would do that

orl-magic wrote:Only if Josh Jackson falls to the kings, I would love to see us make this trade deal happen.

We send
Vuc
Fournier
Mario
2017 late first rnd pick.
2018 first rnd pick(top 3 protected) if it falls in the top 3, they get the 2019 first unprotected.
A second rnd pick(but not this year's pick).
And Lakers 2 second round picks.

For

Their 2 first rnd pick this year
And to match up the salary:

Afflalo(then release him), koufous, T. Evans and Skall Labissiere(the 2nd reason y we make this trade, cause I believe he will be a special one and with the 11th pick we had last year, that's who I wanted. It was either him or M. Richardson from the kings too for me last year.)
shttp://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

So
With the kings picks we take:

Josh Jackson(To me SG first than SF in the NBA)
Justin Patton(he'll be a real good/great center and can also play PF)

And with our pick we take
J. Issac(SF, PF)

Starting lineup:

Biyombo
Skall
*Aaron
Ross
Elf

*(Aaron at SF again because of experience compare to his peers and he might get better at that position. Just one more year with him there before we decide what to do with him.)

Bench

Koufou/Zimmerman
J. Patton
Issac
Josh Jackson/ T. Evans
Augustine/ Watson

Thoughts?..

Hennigan, I thought we canned you last month?

wait so we are trading half our players + the 25th pick + a bunch of second rounders for the 10th pick? awful.

T12 wrote:wait so we are trading half our players + the 25th pick + a bunch of second rounders for the 10th pick? awful.

Lol.. no, I said:

Evan Fournier
Vuc
Hezonia
3 second​ round picks (or Payton and am not saying that he's worth 3 second rnd picks)
And the 25th pick this year

For

5th and 10th pick plus Skall L.
(I would do it only if Josh Jackson falls there)


Like that we would pick with the

5th : Josh Jackson
6th : Jonathan Isaac
10th: Justin Patton
Plus Skall

Starting Lineup

Skall
Isaac
Gordon
Jackson
Elfrid

The kings wants to trade both of their picks to get De'aaron Fox.. they liked Evan Fournier, Vuc and Hezonia in the 2015 draft too, adding a player who is almost similar in Elfrid Payton to De'aaron Fox in that trade, I believe they would strongly consider this trade..
On top of it, we talking about the kings organization, I don't know how most guys in the magic board think this could not happen.. smh

Too many pieces. I think there could be some type of deal with Sac, but something with less moving pieces.

Nemesis21 wrote:

Come on bro, the Kings aren't trading both of their first rounders man. They're on a youth movement...

mr2good wrote:

Nemesis21 wrote:

Come on bro, the Kings aren't trading both of their first rounders man. They're still on a never ending youth movement...

Fixed!

SD2042 wrote:

mr2good wrote:

Nemesis21 wrote:

Come on bro, the Kings aren't trading both of their first rounders man. They're still on a never ending youth movement...

Fixed!

Only way this happens is if the Kings throw in Buddy Hield.