Tatum

[cedric76]

Seems like we ll pick between:

Tatum, Isaac and dsj , we already have topics on Isaac and dsj but couldn't find one on tatum

Read a lot of comments on tatum, to summarise, there is 2 knocks on him ( D and 3pt)


If tatum improves his D (which should only be down to will as he has the physical tools for it) and develop a legit 3pt (which shouldn't be a problem when you look at his ft%) , tatum would become a all star. Anyone agree on that, or am I missing something?

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[Orlando Tragic]

I know a lot of folks are high on Tatum, but when I watch him I see Tobias. Is his future Tobias or is it Grant Hill (without the injury of course).

[pepe1991]

He must improve defense and catch& shoot situations.

Being iso scorer is cool, for first round exits. League really doesn't value iso scorers that much. His FG% and 3 point percentage are really not impressive, but his free trow percentage is encouraging.

Let's hope that he won't turn into dumbed down Melo, Rudy Gay type player.

[Darth Magic]

He must improve defense and catch& shoot situations.

Being iso scorer is cool, for first round exits. League really doesn't value iso scorers that much. His FG% and 3 point percentage are really not impressive, but his free trow percentage is encouraging.

Let's hope that he won't turn into dumbed down Melo, Rudy Gay type player.

I disagree with the idea that iso scorers are losing value. Iso scorers are extremely important. It just can't be your crutch. you have to have an all-around game. Apparently, Tatum took equal amounts of shots at the rim, from 3 and from 2 this season. Essentially, he scores from all over the floor. He's not just an isolation scorer. Iso scoring becomes extremely important when the game slows down in the 4th quarter and in the playoffs. Just look at the finals how when it mattered it was Kyrie vs Steph and Durant. Jeff Weltman has been extremely complimentary of iso scoring, especially in the playoffs.

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[pepe1991]

He must improve defense and catch& shoot situations.

Being iso scorer is cool, for first round exits. League really doesn't value iso scorers that much. His FG% and 3 point percentage are really not impressive, but his free trow percentage is encouraging.

Let's hope that he won't turn into dumbed down Melo, Rudy Gay type player.

I disagree with the idea that iso scorers are losing value. Iso scorers are extremely important. It just can't be your crutch. you have to have an all-around game. Apparently, Tatum took equal amounts of shots at the rim, from 3 and from 2 this season. Essentially, he scores from all over the floor. He's not just an isolation scorer. Iso scoring becomes extremely important when the game slows down in the 4th quarter and in the playoffs. Just look at the finals how when it mattered it was Kyrie vs Steph and Durant. Jeff Weltman has been extremely complimentary of iso scoring, especially in the playoffs.

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But his TS% is just bit over nba average (56,6% to around 54-55% at nba), and again, you have lot of great iso scorers in nba who are not really that good players. Rudy Gay being flagship example.
For a record i would draft him over Isaac .

[Darth Magic]

He must improve defense and catch& shoot situations.

Being iso scorer is cool, for first round exits. League really doesn't value iso scorers that much. His FG% and 3 point percentage are really not impressive, but his free trow percentage is encouraging.

Let's hope that he won't turn into dumbed down Melo, Rudy Gay type player.

I disagree with the idea that iso scorers are losing value. Iso scorers are extremely important. It just can't be your crutch. you have to have an all-around game. Apparently, Tatum took equal amounts of shots at the rim, from 3 and from 2 this season. Essentially, he scores from all over the floor. He's not just an isolation scorer. Iso scoring becomes extremely important when the game slows down in the 4th quarter and in the playoffs. Just look at the finals how when it mattered it was Kyrie vs Steph and Durant. Jeff Weltman has been extremely complimentary of iso scoring, especially in the playoffs.

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But his TS% is just bit over nba average (56,6% to around 54-55% at nba), and again, you have lot of great iso scorers in nba who are not really that good players. Rudy Gay being flagship example.
For a record i would draft him over Isaac .

Well, you know how I feel about DSJ , but yeah I have him over Issac. Funny thing is, I think teams that build around iso scorers aren't that great. but it's not a knock on the player's skills themselves. If your team is built around 1 guy pounding the ball and everyone else standing around that's not gonna work. But when the game gets close and the defense tightens up you gonna need that clutch iso scorer.

[IllMagic04]

Im pretty sure Tatum will be gone when we pick. If hes there you gotta consider him. The tools of a smooth Pierce/Joe Johnson scorer are there. Like all the prospects, still young still plenty of room to grow. Suns will grab him at 4 though

[MAGICian619]

The biggest thing working against Tatum on this board is he reminds people of Tobias. Personally I really like him and think he would be a perfect fit next to AG.

[cedric76]

Im pretty sure Tatum will be gone when we pick. If hes there you gotta consider him. The tools of a smooth Pierce/Joe Johnson scorer are there. Like all the prospects, still young still plenty of room to grow. Suns will grab him at 4 though

If he is gone by then it would mean that Isaac is available

One of the 2 will be available to us at #6

[IllMagic04]

Im pretty sure Tatum will be gone when we pick. If hes there you gotta consider him. The tools of a smooth Pierce/Joe Johnson scorer are there. Like all the prospects, still young still plenty of room to grow. Suns will grab him at 4 though

If he is gone by then it would mean that Isaac is available

One of the 2 will be available to us at #6

I agree. And that will be Issac.. So I like Issac but if Im being honest after years of drafting defensive players who need to develop offense I was really hoping to draft someone who can walk in the door and get buckets. If Issac is the pick Ill be fine with it though.

[Audi]

...he just physically looks like Tobias to me, very different play styles though. Is that what people are talking about?

[KillMonger]

Im pretty sure Tatum will be gone when we pick. If hes there you gotta consider him. The tools of a smooth Pierce/Joe Johnson scorer are there. Like all the prospects, still young still plenty of room to grow. Suns will grab him at 4 though

If he is gone by then it would mean that Isaac is available

One of the 2 will be available to us at #6

I agree. And that will be Issac.. So I like Issac but if Im being honest after years of drafting defensive players who need to develop offense I was really hoping to draft someone who can walk in the door and get buckets. If Issac is the pick Ill be fine with it though.

sounds like your settling though, i know the feeling....it's funny if we would of lost just a few more games we would have a few less worries.

[Knightro]

I have little doubt Tatum will be able to score at the next level, even if he's primarily an isolation player. The game is trending toward shooting + ball movement, but there is always going to be a place in the NBA for players you can hand the ball to in any situation against any defense and say "please score".

The big question marks for me - can Tatum can improve his effort on defense? Can get he stronger in the upper body to improve his finishing against contact? If both of those things happen, he could be a really excellent two-way player.

I have less concerns about his 3PT jumper developing because he's such a good FT shooter. His stroke is good enough that he should eventually get to an acceptable 3PT clip, even if it takes a season or two to get there.

[eyriq]

Love this guy, and agree with OP about his weaknesses and potential. Also curious about his playmaking

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[Darth Magic]

I have little doubt Tatum will be able to score at the next level, even if he's primarily an isolation player. The game is trending toward shooting + ball movement, but there is always going to be a place in the NBA for players you can hand the ball to in any situation against any defense and say "please score".

The big question marks for me - can Tatum can improve his effort on defense? Can get he stronger in the upper body to improve his finishing against contact? If both of those things happen, he could be a really excellent two-way player.

I have less concerns about his 3PT jumper developing because he's such a good FT shooter. His stroke is good enough that he should eventually get to an acceptable 3PT clip, even if it takes a season or two to get there.

Excellent points. I think with the broadness of his shoulders he could put on more weight. We could be looking at a physical BEAST down the line.

[IllMagic04]

If he is gone by then it would mean that Isaac is available

One of the 2 will be available to us at #6

I agree. And that will be Issac.. So I like Issac but if Im being honest after years of drafting defensive players who need to develop offense I was really hoping to draft someone who can walk in the door and get buckets. If Issac is the pick Ill be fine with it though.

sounds like your settling though, i know the feeling....it's funny if we would of lost just a few more games we would have a few less worries.

Im definitly settling. I hate being negative but it feels like once again we are gonna be one pick short of an elite prospect. Issac , DSJ and Monk are cool I guess but Id much rather have one of the top 5. Not saying all 5 of them dudes are gonna pan out but I'd just feel better. But who knows. Alot of people are high on DSJ. He will be there at 6.

[VFX]

I've watched Tatum more than any other prospect in this draft because I'm a Duke fan.

Tobias has 20+ lbs on him in college and didn't play with the fluidity Tatum did. He wasn't atrocious on defense and I do believe he has all the tools to hit the 3 at the NBA level. If you had to measure his defensive limitations to the offensive limitations the other wing prospects have Tatum comes out closer to being more well rounded.

He's also a much better FT shooter than a lot of other prospects in the top 5 including Fultz, Ball, Jackson. That being said, he also gets to the line. The Pierce / Joe Johnson comparisons are pretty close.

[TodGre]

I agree with other that Tatum reminds me a lot of Tobias with better offense. I just don't think he's athletic enough to turn into a superstar. Isaac and possibly DSJ have that upside. Sure we would like instant offense now, but the Magic are still on the long road to greatness, pick the player with the highest ceiling. At worst I don't think DSJ or Isaac turn out to be worse than Tatum really. As for Tatum comparisons to Grant Hill, well they both played at Duke, and are both 6'8", but Hill was more more athletic.

[rcklsscognition]

This guy screams Tobias Harris to me and many others. It's not a terrible thing. I thought Tobias was Carmelo-lite and he just never got to the next level. Same thing may happen to Tatum. I wouldn't be angry if we picked him, I could see the rationale.

To me Tatum is the most ready to produce.

[Knightro]

I think what a lot of people are getting hung up with these Tobias Harris comparisons is age/where they are in their respective careers.

19-year-old Jayson Tatum reminds a lot of people of 24-year-old Tobias Harris. But Harris at this point has 11,000 NBA minutes under his belt and has made tangible improvements to his game over the last six years.

If Tatum is comparable to Harris right now, then he should end up being significantly better as he continues to mature and gain experience.