Shooters? Why haven't we done anything about the lack of them yet?

J_Magic · Post #1 » by **J_Magic** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:06 pm

We had a chance to do something in the draft to address our outside shooting. Obviously Weltman/Hammond must have realized before taking the job that we lack this and we need it. I can't believe we are going to sit back for another year without addressing our needs.

At first I wasn't happy with the pick of Isaac as I thought he was a project. But upon further reading and watching youtube highlights, I have come around and think that he can be very good for us early.
I have no idea about Wesley Unsundu either....so not sure if he is a shooter or not.

Currently, Fournier, Meeks, and DJ are the only players that can space the floor.
Not sure what happend to Vuc's automatic midrange jump shot last year....where did it go?
We need to desperately hope that Aaron Gordon is working on his jump shot this Summer as he can get the Green Light on our team if all works out. Payton will always be a work in progress and I think should just concentrate on what he is good at...the mid-range floaters and layups (I'd rather avoid him taking jump shots unless there is 5 seconds on the shot clock left).

We should have drafted more 3 point shooters. Mario has proven that he can't shoot in a 5 vs 5 game. Maybe in practice, but he is Shaq like shooting in a real game.

Guys...I'm just venting here, but I think I bring up some good points. We need to start building a winning foundation.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #2 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:13 pm

J_Magic wrote:We had a chance to do something in the draft to address our outside shooting. Obviously Weltman/Hammond must have realized before taking the job that we lack this and we need it. I can't believe we are going to sit back for another year without addressing our needs.

At first I wasn't happy with the pick of Isaac as I thought he was a project. But upon further reading and watching youtube highlights, I have come around and think that he can be very good for us early.
I have no idea about Wesley Unsundu either....so not sure if he is a shooter or not.

Currently, Fournier, Meeks, and DJ are the only players that can space the floor.
Not sure what happend to Vuc's automatic midrange jump shot last year....where did it go?
We need to desperately hope that Aaron Gordon is working on his jump shot this Summer as he can get the Green Light on our team if all works out. Payton will always be a work in progress and I think should just concentrate on what he is good at...the mid-range floaters and layups (I'd rather avoid him taking jump shots unless there is 5 seconds on the shot clock left).

We should have drafted more 3 point shooters. Mario has proven that he can't shoot in a 5 vs 5 game. Maybe in practice, but he is Shaq like shooting in a real game.

Guys...I'm just venting here, but I think I bring up some good points. We need to start building a winning foundation.

easier to find shooting in FA or by trades than draft it (this is part of the reason Hezonja is a BUST).. however we won't have much space so I expect shooting to come via trades this off season.

Statlanta · Post #3 » by **Statlanta** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:17 pm

We have addressed shooting. We brought in 2 guys who shot 70% from the FT line last year(more indicative then 3pt imo). Vuc's shooting year could be an anomaly given his track record, and Mario only has 2 years to his name.

I'm not saying we are proficient in that area but it's before FA and we have at least tried in getting guys in that area.

MagicFan101 · Post #4 » by **MagicFan101** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:20 pm

J_Magic wrote:We had a chance to do something in the draft to address our outside shooting. Obviously Weltman/Hammond must have realized before taking the job that we lack this and we need it. I can't believe we are going to sit back for another year without addressing our needs.

What are you talking about? Free agency hasn't even begun yet and we have until well into the season to make trades as management gets a feel for their new roster.

The draft is not the last opportunity to set your roster...

Just Plain Mark · Post #5 » by **Just Plain Mark** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:27 pm

I think the Magic are so devoid of talent that simply adding "shooters" won't make a difference. The teams that are good have players that can shoot, as well as create offense for themselves or others and play reasonable defense.

So the Magic need the starters to be shooters more than the Magic need shooting specialists. Based on the "year of evaluation" comment from the front office, if AG, Payton, and Mario can't shoot and there isn't enough improvement in other areas offensively, then I think those three will be traded for better players who also happen to shoot better.

Nemesis21 · Post #6 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:43 pm

Bring back JJ!

Post #7 » by **MagicMadness** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:17 pm

Like MagicFan101 said, free agency hasn't even started yet. None of us can really comment on what the new regime has in mind.

For all we know, we could be going the Sixers route (suck terribly, acquire top picks). Trust the process?

Post #8 » by **Knightro** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:48 pm

It's certainly possible Meeks could be back on a 1-year deal if they don't find any shooting in FA or via trade.

He was a bad defender last year, but certainly not the worst on the team. Plus .409 from three.

drsd · Post #9 » by **drsd** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:50 pm

A healthy:

Post #10 » by **Def Swami** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:07 pm

The goal should be to add 2-way players. We've had shooters who couldn't defend and vice versa. The Magic have been playing this game with 1-way players (Channing Frye, Evan Fournier, Jodie Meeks, DJ Augustin, Mario Hezonja, Ersan Ilyasova, Ben Gordon) to rely on shooting for so long and it's part of the reason they struggle to find any balance with their lineups, especially when 2 out of the 5 starters can't shoot and the starting center can be a sieve on defense while not offering any range to space the floor. They're always trading offense for defense to fill the gaps and it's partly why this team ends up struggling on both ends. I like Isaac because he can hopefully fill that gap one day and I understand the Iwundu pick for the similar reasons (however, I'm much more mum on him as a shooter). I'm much more interested in finding players who can shoot and defend. Those are few and far between, but those are the kind of players that will make a real difference for us.

BadMofoPimp · Post #11 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:17 pm

drsd wrote:A healthy:

Meeks hasn't had a healthy season in like 4 years.

cwas2882 · Post #12 » by **cwas2882** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:46 pm

Every team needs/wants shooters. This causes a premium to be placed on them. The Magic aren't in a place where they can afford to pay that premium.

basketballRob · Post #13 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:53 pm

3 coaches in 3 years and nearly everyone on the team shot much worse. Hopefully with the same coach and system for once, they'll shoot better this year.

PennytoShaq · Post #14 » by **PennytoShaq** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:19 pm

Magic need two way players more than anything. New regime drafted two with that potential. Gordon can become one this year I think. Ross is not bad, but needs to be more consistent on offense to get that label.

Besides that, I don't think we have anyone else who you can put in that category.

Post #15 » by **Knightro** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:32 pm

PennytoShaq wrote:Magic need two way players more than anything. New regime drafted two with that potential. Gordon can become one this year I think. Ross is not bad, but needs to be more consistent on offense to get that label.

Besides that, I don't think we have anyone else who you can put in that category.

100% this.

The ability to make a positive impact on both ends of the floor is the most valuable skill in the league for my money.

AND the more two-way players you have, the easier it is for a specialist - be it offensive, defensive or rebounding - to succeed.

Post #16 » by **SOUL** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:54 am

PennytoShaq wrote:Magic need two way players more than anything. New regime drafted two with that potential. Gordon can become one this year I think. Ross is not bad, but needs to be more consistent on offense to get that label.

Besides that, I don't think we have anyone else who you can put in that category.

*whispers*

soooooon

PennytoShaq · Post #17 » by **PennytoShaq** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:36 am

SOUL wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:Magic need two way players more than anything. New regime drafted two with that potential. Gordon can become one this year I think. Ross is not bad, but needs to be more consistent on offense to get that label.

Besides that, I don't think we have anyone else who you can put in that category.

*whispers*

soooooon

Yep, we drafted two guys who I fully expect to fit that mold. This is the new team blueprint.

ralphie9898 · Post #18 » by **ralphie9898** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:58 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
J_Magic wrote:We had a chance to do something in the draft to address our outside shooting. Obviously Weltman/Hammond must have realized before taking the job that we lack this and we need it. I can't believe we are going to sit back for another year without addressing our needs.

What are you talking about? Free agency hasn't even begun yet and we have until well into the season to make trades as management gets a feel for their new roster.

The draft is not the last opportunity to set your roster...

Very true and yes we do need more shooting But we can't just focus on a guy who shoots it well but doesn't do very well in oher facets of the game. We need more players who can do multiple thing on both sides of the ball. But while we do need that I don't feel pressured to get that done right now. We need to much and with limited cap space and not being overly filled with great tradeable assets I would rather just pass on trying to solve it with more Biyombo or Augustin like contracts. I am fine fielding a bad team this year and hopefully getting another high lottery pick. My main focus is to try and clear some future cap space by trading away some of our bigger deals and would consider adding in Payton, Hezonja or one the future picks we get(not our own of course) if it means we can take less money in return. I don't feel pressured to fill specific needs right now and would instead focus on trying to get the best we can in terms of cap space and then draft picks or young prospects as we can via trade but I don't really care about us winning more games this year.

NBAchamps2017 · Post #19 » by **NBAchamps2017** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:57 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
J_Magic wrote:We had a chance to do something in the draft to address our outside shooting. Obviously Weltman/Hammond must have realized before taking the job that we lack this and we need it. I can't believe we are going to sit back for another year without addressing our needs.

What are you talking about? Free agency hasn't even begun yet and we have until well into the season to make trades as management gets a feel for their new roster.

The draft is not the last opportunity to set your roster...

Forget about free agency. Plan A is: "...to sit and evaluate."

No plan B.

shadrock · Post #20 » by **shadrock** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:03 am

Under the new management? Well, because they havent had a change to yet i suppose...

Under old management? Well they did draft Mario, trade for T Ross and Serge who were good shooters, signed Jodie Meeks as a free agent, already have Fournier and Vucevic who are competent shooters?

Im assuming your real issue is you dont like Elf and/or AG? Am i correct?