Vegas odds on Magic's under/over: were 40.5 now 34.5

[Bensational]

I expect 38 -42 wins and fight for 8# seed.

Than we will upset Celtics

I'm fairly certain that this is the most positive thing I've ever heard you say about the team [joins in praying]

Lol, I was thinking the same thing. I was quite taken aback.

[SOUL]

I expect 38 -42 wins and fight for 8# seed.

Than we will upset Celtics

I'm fairly certain that this is the most positive thing I've ever heard you say about the team [joins in praying]

Lol, I was thinking the same thing. I was quite taken aback.

Sorry, I forgot to log out of my alt.

[drsd]

I expect 38 -42 wins and fight for 8# seed.

If everything messes, why not hope for 41 wins ?!?!?

At that is certain to be a playoff slot given the regression of other Eastern teams.

Than we will upset Celtics

Payton vs. Irving
Fournier vs. Smart
Simmons vs. Hayward
Gordon vs. Morris
Vučević vs. Horford

Magic guard depth vs. Celts guard depth
Magic bigs depth vs. Celts bigs depth

The match-ups are actually ok.


GO MAGIC!!!



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[KingRobb02]

I expect 38 -42 wins and fight for 8# seed.

If everything messes, why not hope for 41 wins ?!?!?

At that is certain to be a playoff slot given the regression of other Eastern teams.

Than we will upset Celtics

Payton vs. Irving
Fournier vs. Smart
Simmons vs. Hayward
Gordon vs. Morris
Vučević vs. Horford

Magic guard depth vs. Celts guard depth
Magic bigs depth vs. Celts bigs depth

The match-ups are actually ok.


GO MAGIC!!!



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People around here still think Vucevic is better than Horford?

[Bensational]

I expect 38 -42 wins and fight for 8# seed.

If everything messes, why not hope for 41 wins ?!?!?

At that is certain to be a playoff slot given the regression of other Eastern teams.

Than we will upset Celtics

Payton vs. Irving
Fournier vs. Smart
Simmons vs. Hayward
Gordon vs. Morris
Vučević vs. Horford

Magic guard depth vs. Celts guard depth
Magic bigs depth vs. Celts bigs depth

The match-ups are actually ok.


GO MAGIC!!!



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People around here still think Vucevic is better than Horford?

If Vuc were on any other team, and people proposed trading for him, they'd get laughed off.

[drsd]

People around here still think Vucevic is better than Horford?

Over their careers, Vučević has a higher ppg and rpg stat line. Last season, Vučević again had more ppg and more rpg; AND played more games over the season.

So, yes Vučević is better than Horford. That Horford is on the wrong side of 30, this season it is a no-brainer to favor Vučević over Horford.


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[pepe1991]

People around here still think Vucevic is better than Horford?

Over their careers, Vučević has a higher ppg and rpg stat line. Last season, Vučević again had more ppg and more rpg; AND played more games over the season.

So, yes Vučević is better than Horford. That Horford is on the wrong side of 30, this season it is a no-brainer to favor Vučević over Horford.


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Uhhh ,don't do it to yourself.
Nikola Vučević is center version of Kevin Martin or Al Jefferson. Guys who were always getting their stats on 20-30 wins teams and their performance never had any impact on their teams.
Vučević only had one season where he played on team with .500 or better record- in his rookie year ,where he didn't even play much at all ( 15 mpg ,got lot of DNP-s that year ).

And if we are going to compare some raw numbers for career.
VUčević : 14,6 ppg, 9,9 rpg, 2,0 assists, 0,8 steals, 0,9 blocks, 50% FG, eFG 50,2%, 71% FT ,52,6% TS
Horford: 14,3 ppg, 8,6 rpg, 3 apg, 0,9 steals, 1,2 blocks, FG 52,8%, EFG 54,1% , 74,8% FT, 56,8 % TS

so for 0,3 ppg and 1,3 rpg that goes in Vučević adventage, Horford did everything else better and with more efficiency.
Through whole career Vučević actually has negative offensive box plus minus ( -0,5 ) and positive DBPM (1,2), Horford has 0,8 OBPM and 1,8 DBPM.
Where Horford has win share over 48 min of .157, Vuc sits on .113.
Horford career usage is 19,4% , Vučević 23%

Is there even a reason to say that Horford played 92 playoff games and started 91 of them, logging over 3000 min in that period, where Vučević logged grand total of 1 game, 0 starts and played grand total of 3 min of his career in playoff basketball after 7 years of nba .

Not to mention that Horford had 15 ppg on fraking 66,8% TS in playoffs this year playing on conference finals team. Ofc he is not flawless, his rebounding faded away over a time, and he stays away from contact and probably should play PF more than C anyway ( 6'10 )

[drsd]

Nikola Vučević is center version of Kevin Martin or Al Jefferson. ( 6'10 )

Do you really see any difference between Al Horford and Al Jefferson?


Frankly what I take from this discussion is that Vučević is a good not great Center. I agree.



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[Magic#1]

I'm a Vooch supporter and think he is underrated around here, but Horford is the more valuable player overall. He is far more valuable on the defensive end.

[Bakomagic]

To soon to bump ?

Shoulda bet the over!!!

[MagicMadness]

Yeah...even if/when we "fall back down to earth", we're definitely better than our 29-win team, right?

I don't care if it's only 5 games into the season, we're 4-1 with quality blowout wins against two contenders, a scoring average of 118ppg, and a point differential of +10.8.

We are good. How good? Better than 34.5 wins good, that much I'm certain of.

[drsd]

I am as much a Homer as a Homer can be.

But even I am excited by Orlando at 8-5.

Go MAGIC!


Edit: The current #8 seed is playing 50% ball. So that must be Orlando's target. Win 41+ games !!!!

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[Shady Franchise]

To soon to bump ?

Shoulda bet the over!!!

I did! But I'm still nervous as hell.