Adreian Payne and Orlando Magic nearing deal

[Howard Mass]

I too liked Adreian Payne at Michigan State and am surprised he did not pan out better.

At worst, this is another body for The Magic and maybe he could progress playing most of the season in the G League.

The Magic are able to sign him to a two-way contract because he has three years of NBA experience. If he had one more year, he would not be eligible for a two-way contract.

That leaves one more two-way contract and hope it is a point guard so The Magic can have another option if two of the three point guards are out with injuries.

[Bensational]

Wasn't there two Adrian Paynes in one year or successive drafts? One was an intriguing potential 2-way player who could block shots and shoot the 3. Did we get that one? Or did I just imagine that one altogether?

I dunno what kinda strain of weed you're smoking tonight. I think there's only one, and he sucks. He's a 1 way player and that 1 way was only athleticism and he rarely shows that now.

Joking about the weed lol but are you thinking of Cam Payne? They're similarly talented and we're almost taken at the same pick in different years.

Maybe Cam Payne is who I'm thinking of? Hmmm. Either way, both have underwhelmed. They're no Bobby Portis.

[RickB-Orlando]

I too liked Adreian Payne at Michigan State and am surprised he did not pan out better.

At worst, this is another body for The Magic and maybe he could progress playing most of the season in the G League.

The Magic are able to sign him to a two-way contract because he has three years of NBA experience. If he had one more year, he would not be eligible for a two-way contract.

That leaves one more two-way contract and hope it is a point guard so The Magic can have another option if two of the three point guards are out with injuries.

Agreed, he seemed to have a lot more potential coming out of college.

I like this signing though - low risk, high potential reward.

[pepe1991]

He is as bad as it gets in nba. By some stats worst offensive big man in nba for years. Career -4,8 offensive box plus minus with career year of -2,2 ( yes, negative ). 44,4% TS for career.
In 2015-16 he menaged to have top 10 worst offensive and defensive RPM by Espn's data.
I know i was stupid enough to belive he can be good before his rookie year, but again, nothing pumps your stats better than playing at college against 4 years younger kids.

If there is type of player that nobody should say " i like him" it's him, because there is literally nothing that he does well.

[The Other Ankle]

He is as bad as it gets in nba. By some stats worst offensive big man in nba for years. Career -4,8 offensive box plus minus with career year of -2,2 ( yes, negative ). 44,4% TS for career.
In 2015-16 he menaged to have top 10 worst offensive and defensive RPM by Espn's data.
I know i was stupid enough to belive he can be good before his rookie year, but again, nothing pumps your stats better than playing at college against 4 years younger kids.

If there is type of player that nobody should say " i like him" it's him, because there is literally nothing that he does well.

So, Pep, tell us how you feel about Adreian Payne as a player and prospect for the Orlando Magic!

[Max Power]

Know very little about Payne, but giving the guy a second chance to get a foothold in the league isn't a bad thing. Sometimes you grab a Darrell Armstrong that way. If he comes in and passes guys on the depth chart with his play we'll all be happy with him.


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[Zephyrballs]

what is a two way contract?

[tiderulz]

Know very little about Payne, but giving the guy a second chance to get a foothold in the league isn't a bad thing. Sometimes you grab a Darrell Armstrong that way. If he comes in and passes guys on the depth chart with his play we'll all be happy with him.


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not sure the comparison. Payne drafted 15th and played 100+ games in the NBA and on a roster for 3 years. Armstrong wasnt drafted and went overseas came back and signed with Orlando.

[AddiFB]

what is a two way contract?

I'm not 100% sure, but in short, I think it means we can send him to the Lakeland Magic and call him back up anytime we want.

[Max Power]

Know very little about Payne, but giving the guy a second chance to get a foothold in the league isn't a bad thing. Sometimes you grab a Darrell Armstrong that way. If he comes in and passes guys on the depth chart with his play we'll all be happy with him.


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not sure the comparison. Payne drafted 15th and played 100+ games in the NBA and on a roster for 3 years. Armstrong wasnt drafted and went overseas came back and signed with Orlando.

This isn't a straight up comparison. Just saying sometimes giving a guy a chance can sometimes pay off unexpectedly.


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[The Real Dalic]

Know very little about Payne, but giving the guy a second chance to get a foothold in the league isn't a bad thing. Sometimes you grab a Darrell Armstrong that way. If he comes in and passes guys on the depth chart with his play we'll all be happy with him.


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not sure the comparison. Payne drafted 15th and played 100+ games in the NBA and on a roster for 3 years. Armstrong wasnt drafted and went overseas came back and signed with Orlando.

This isn't a straight up comparison. Just saying sometimes giving a guy a chance can sometimes pay off unexpectedly.


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Just like Whiteside as well. I personally don't think Payne is any good. But I'm definitely willing to give him a chance.

[BadMofoPimp]

not sure the comparison. Payne drafted 15th and played 100+ games in the NBA and on a roster for 3 years. Armstrong wasnt drafted and went overseas came back and signed with Orlando.

This isn't a straight up comparison. Just saying sometimes giving a guy a chance can sometimes pay off unexpectedly.


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Just like Whiteside as well. I personally don't think Payne is any good. But I'm definitely willing to give him a chance.

As long as it is for the minimum, I am all for it.

[Magic#1]

I too liked Adreian Payne at Michigan State and am surprised he did not pan out better.

At worst, this is another body for The Magic and maybe he could progress playing most of the season in the G League.

The Magic are able to sign him to a two-way contract because he has three years of NBA experience. If he had one more year, he would not be eligible for a two-way contract.

That leaves one more two-way contract and hope it is a point guard so The Magic can have another option if two of the three point guards are out with injuries.

If I'm remebering correctly, Payne was considered a can't miss solid player. I'm surprised he has fallen down this hard. You would think he would fit the stretch four model, but he just hasn't worked out yet. A quality two-way contract.

[magicman112]

what is a two way contract?

I'm not 100% sure, but in short, I think it means we can send him to the Lakeland Magic and call him back up anytime we want.

Yes that's basically it. It's a new type of contract that makes it easier to send players back and forth between the team and the D-League affiliate.

[bargnanimvp]

Payne seems pretty old for a 2 way deal. Wouldn't you rather use them on more of an unknown higher ceiling type of talent?

Yeah this, i'd rather those 2-ways are guys with some potential

[thelead]

eh-move. Don't mind it at all. Not sure why all the hate. Did we give him guaranteed money for next year or something? For those wanting more youth, when is that guy going to play? We already have a ton of young guys allotted to playing time (hopefully). I'll take the flier on Payne.

[drsd]

what is a two way contract?

A player is allowed up to 45 NBA days and makes a prorated salary at the minimum level for those days. These 45 days I believe include the pre-season. Overall a player on a 2-way deal with all 45 days in the NBA would get a total salary over 200k. This is much, much higher than the G-league maxima salary of 75k.

For Payne to be called up beyond 45 NBA days, he would need an out-right NBA contract. On a two-way deal, only the Magic is authorised to call him up in such fashion. This is why many players and agents are cautious about these. (a G-leaguer on a "normal" deal can be called up by any NBA team).

For the Magic to 2-way Payne means they see development potential and can imagine him on the 2018-19 roster.

Did we give him guaranteed money for next year or something?

Payne would be guaranteed a minimum of 75k. But as the Magic's preseason is at least 11 days, Payne would actually be guaranteed something more than 100k. Maybe about 120(ish)k.



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[j-ragg]

eh-move. Don't mind it at all. Not sure why all the hate. Did we give him guaranteed money for next year or something? For those wanting more youth, when is that guy going to play? We already have a ton of young guys allotted to playing time (hopefully). I'll take the flier on Payne.

Wouldn't call it "hate" necessarily but what good is watching Payne in the G-League most of the year really gonna do? I'd much rather have signed Walton Jr or another rook.

[BadMofoPimp]

eh-move. Don't mind it at all. Not sure why all the hate. Did we give him guaranteed money for next year or something? For those wanting more youth, when is that guy going to play? We already have a ton of young guys allotted to playing time (hopefully). I'll take the flier on Payne.

Wouldn't call it "hate" necessarily but what good is watching Payne in the G-League most of the year really gonna do? I'd much rather have signed Walton Jr or another rook.

Walton Jr. lucked out by getting signed with Miami. They know how to develop talent like that. He will excel down there.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I had forgotten that he had some hops tbh. I was picturing a lumbering nonathletic player for some odd and inexplicable reason. I think overall we've had a decent offseason.