Maybe Jonathan Isaac should start...

Hoopslife · Post #1 » by **Hoopslife** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 5:02 pm

It might be time for Jonathan Isaac to start if this team starts to lose games. I would suggest he starts at SF over Terrence Ross and the reason being is the amount of shots Ross is getting. He's barely getting shots with the starting unit. Put him with the second unit and now there are two players in Simmons and Ross who are good offensive players to help carry that unit.

Adding Isaac to the starting lineup shouldn't hurt offensively as Ross is barely taking shots anyways and not hitting the shots he takes right now. Isaac can come in and take 6 - 8 shots with the starters while playing great Defense and helping on the boards where the Magic struggle. I just really think the switch would balance out the starters and second unit better.

j-ragg · Post #2 » by **j-ragg** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 5:21 pm

Don’t think he’s ready for that, offensively at least.

OrlandO · Post #3 » by **OrlandO** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 5:27 pm

I'd rather see what we look like as a team with Elf back in the SL for a handful of games before we make any major changes...

Optimus_Steel · Post #4 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 5:53 pm

He still not ready and that ok. He will get there eventually.

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PrimeThyme · Post #5 » by **PrimeThyme** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 6:19 pm

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Someone make the case for me why Ross should still start. The last 3 games im really running out of answers. Im not saying Isaacs the answer, but If this continues over the next 4-5 games Ross is going to have to move to the bench.

OrlandO · Post #6 » by **OrlandO** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 7:07 pm

PrimeShaq wrote:

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Someone make the case for me why Ross should still start. The last 3 games im really running out of answers. Im not saying Isaacs the answer, but If this continues over the next 4-5 games Ross is going to have to move to the bench.

He's shooting way under his average from last season, so the hope is he will balance out sooner rather than later. Perhaps Payton will get him back to normal. Plus there's the concern that moving him to the bench and a bench player to the starting lineup might create new issues that weren't there before. It's also possible we could have success with an adjustment, but as long as we have a winning record i'm not sure it makes sense to change anything.

Post #7 » by **Def Swami** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 8:52 pm

Not sure swapping Isaac for Ross simply changes much, but I would like to see more lineups with both Isaac and AG. I feel like we haven't exploited that kind of length on defense yet.

Max Power · Post #8 » by **Max Power** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 9:34 pm

Quite frankly Terance Ross has been hot garbage thus far. He’s been a turnover machine and hasn’t been hitting shots. Starting Issac makes sense defensively, and it gives him run with the starters, something he’ll need to get better offensively anyway. I’m in favor of it.

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PennytoShaq · Post #9 » by **PennytoShaq** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 10:31 pm

Isaac next to AG is real nice. Hasn't been done enough. Considerng Isaac guards the opposing wings and plays the perimeter on O, I see no reason why he couldn't start at SF. The metrics make the case for it, but Ross will have to step up his game from off the bench.

GameOver25 · Post #10 » by **GameOver25** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 11:51 pm

Ross will be okay once Elf comes back. Like said in previous threads, Ross is missing Elf the most since alot of his shot come off of screens.

otownflava21 · Post #11 » by **otownflava21** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 6:19 am

I'm not completely confident Isaac can start and consistently stay out of foul trouble. Unless Vogel's rotation is to pull him first routinely.

NBAchamps2017 · Post #12 » by **NBAchamps2017** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 7:47 am

Jonathon first before Jonathan.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #13 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 9:00 am

I agree.

So many complain that we don't throw our rookies out to the wolves like most rebuilding teams do with their top 5 picks, but the same people now are saying he's not ready.

Ross should go back to the bench where he excels and has played most of his career. Isaacs defense will be huge in the first until and likewise with Ross scoring in the second unit.

drsd · Post #14 » by **drsd** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 1:06 pm

Payton/Fournier/Simmons/Gordon/Vučević

fendilim · Post #15 » by **fendilim** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 2:37 pm

I think Simmons is more effective off the bench, and fits that role pretty well.

Moving Simmons to the first five basically leads you to DJ Augustin being left as the only playmaker on our 2nd unit. I don't think that would be good for us. Ross isn't a known playmaker and honestly think he suits the first 5 well, also he can defend the best offensive player (depending on the opposing team's lineup).

Post #16 » by **eyriq** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 3:22 pm

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Someone make the case for me why Ross should still start. The last 3 games im really running out of answers. Im not saying Isaacs the answer, but If this continues over the next 4-5 games Ross is going to have to move to the bench.

Wow, Aaron Gordon and Vucevic both in the upper right quadrant... NICE

drsd · Post #17 » by **drsd** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 4:22 pm

fendilim wrote:I think Simmons is more effective off the bench, and fits that role pretty well.

Moving Simmons to the first five basically leads you to DJ Augustin being left as the only playmaker on our 2nd unit. I don't think that would be good for us. Ross isn't a known playmaker and honestly think he suits the first 5 well, also he can defend the best offensive player (depending on the opposing team's lineup).

I would agree if the Magic had competent scoring at the SG slot (which will be the priority in the off-season: find a new SF and slide Fournier to SG).

But for today, with the Magic clearly trying to win games, I think Ross needs to go to the bench were he can be a 25+ mpg guy behind Fournier and Simmons.

Reflective of your "... more effective off the bench" comment: yes or no, would Ross be more effective as a starter or off of the bench?

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drsd · Post #18 » by **drsd** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 4:32 pm

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I do not understand the regression line. It cannot be correct. And what is the r2 for it as drawn ???

I want to see the maths !

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Bakomagic · Post #19 » by **Bakomagic** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 4:53 pm

I still believe Ross will turn it around once Elf gets back, he needs some one to create for him and give him easy scoring opportunities. Once he gets back to normal he's a good 3 and D swing man. I like Isaac to step in at the 5 when Vucs contract is up !

Isaac has a year and a half to gain enough weight to consistently play the 5, it'll be great to get the same spacing that Vuc provides but switch ability and rim protection as well.

fendilim · Post #20 » by **fendilim** » Sun Nov 5, 2017 4:59 pm

drsd wrote:
fendilim wrote:I think Simmons is more effective off the bench, and fits that role pretty well.

Moving Simmons to the first five basically leads you to DJ Augustin being left as the only playmaker on our 2nd unit. I don't think that would be good for us. Ross isn't a known playmaker and honestly think he suits the first 5 well, also he can defend the best offensive player (depending on the opposing team's lineup).

I would agree if the Magic had competent scoring at the SG slot (which will be the priority in the off-season: find a new SF and slide Fournier to SG).

But for today, with the Magic clearly trying to win games, I think Ross needs to go to the bench were he can be a 25+ mpg guy behind Fournier and Simmons.

Reflective of your "... more effective off the bench" comment: yes or no, would Ross be more effective as a starter or off of the bench?

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Isnt evan more effective at sf since he is slower than most sg?

I still think we wouldnt be able to play simmons to his strength if we played him at the starting lineup. Since we already have like ep, evan, vuc and ag to an extent than create put up shots.

Ross is perfect for them, coming off screens and playing defense against taller wingman.