ISAAC our best defensive player?

[X_O_Z]

thelead wrote:
The only stat that matters:

With Isaac: 8-3
W/O Isaac: 0-6
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This is an interesting stat if you ask me. Since ISAAC went down, this team went down with him. We haven't looked good in defense from any where else since than. Heck, the close game against MEMPHIS shows how valuable he is to this team, and it was because of his defensive efforts that got us that grind win. We are in the right track getting the right players, but FOUNIER AND VOOCH NEEDS TO GO.

[fendilim]

It not all about Isaac. Shots aren't falling.

Fournier averaged 50% on 3's. Vuc did too. AG was like 57?

[CZ Eddie]

When in heck is he coming back, anyways.
I thought he just had a sprained ankle.
I mean, I'm glad we're taking care of him.
Just seems like he's out longer than expected??

[Optimus_Steel]

Issac coming back will be nice but wont change much in the w/l column. The team lacks talent, they also lack chemistry and fit, they are also extremely weak minded. Just all sorts of structural issues that summed together make the product worse, like a urine filled snowball rolling down the hill and getting bigger and falling faster. If you look at Boston last 3 years their talent was not overwhelming but the sum of the pieces added to something really good thanks to toughness, coaching, intangibles, chemistry. Etc.

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[PrimeThyme]

He was our best defensive player by most metrics before he got hurt. Extremely gifted and naturally talented as a defender even being the somewhat raw and young player that he is. You just can't teach the type of instincts that he has. We are missing him badly.

[The Real Dalic]

Issac coming back will be nice but wont change much in the w/l column. The team lacks talent, they also lack chemistry and fit, they are also extremely weak minded. Just all sorts of structural issues that summed together make the product worse, like a urine filled snowball rolling down the hill and getting bigger and falling faster. If you look at Boston last 3 years their talent was not overwhelming but the sum of the pieces added to something really good thanks to toughness, coaching, intangibles, chemistry. Etc.

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The Magic do not lack talent, that is always the biggest lie told on these boards. They lack heart, hustle, and the will to win. They do not lack talent. This team needs to outwork the other opponents, they just refuse to. They want to coast to wins without working for it, that's the most annoying part. It's time to trade the ones that aren't trying to hustle or defend, we need some scrappy hustle players that are talented on both ends of the floor but will also grab boards and get on the floor for loose balls.

[OrlandO]

Isaac is our only good defensive player.

[Optimus_Steel]

Issac coming back will be nice but wont change much in the w/l column. The team lacks talent, they also lack chemistry and fit, they are also extremely weak minded. Just all sorts of structural issues that summed together make the product worse, like a urine filled snowball rolling down the hill and getting bigger and falling faster. If you look at Boston last 3 years their talent was not overwhelming but the sum of the pieces added to something really good thanks to toughness, coaching, intangibles, chemistry. Etc.

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The Magic do not lack talent, that is always the biggest lie told on these boards. They lack heart, hustle, and the will to win. They do not lack talent. This team needs to outwork the other opponents, they just refuse too. They want to coast to wins without working for it, that's the most annoying part. It's time to trade the ones that aren't trying to hustle or defend, we need some scrappy hustle players that are talented on both ends of the floor but will also grab boards and get on the floor for loose balls.

We do lack talent, other than the unsustainable 3pt barrage to start the season this team is an awful offensive team. They were among the worst offenses last year, we made no major changes in that department this year, we just got fooled by the fluke hot start.

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[The Real Dalic]

Issac coming back will be nice but wont change much in the w/l column. The team lacks talent, they also lack chemistry and fit, they are also extremely weak minded. Just all sorts of structural issues that summed together make the product worse, like a urine filled snowball rolling down the hill and getting bigger and falling faster. If you look at Boston last 3 years their talent was not overwhelming but the sum of the pieces added to something really good thanks to toughness, coaching, intangibles, chemistry. Etc.

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The Magic do not lack talent, that is always the biggest lie told on these boards. They lack heart, hustle, and the will to win. They do not lack talent. This team needs to outwork the other opponents, they just refuse too. They want to coast to wins without working for it, that's the most annoying part. It's time to trade the ones that aren't trying to hustle or defend, we need some scrappy hustle players that are talented on both ends of the floor but will also grab boards and get on the floor for loose balls.

We do lack talent, other than the unsustainable 3pt barrage to start the season this team is an awful offensive team. They were among the worst offenses last year, we made no major changes in that department this year, we just got fooled by the fluke hot start.

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AG, Fournier, and Vuc can all score the ball, they're not number 1 options (yet, maybe), but they can score. Besides, scoring is not all that's needed to call somebody talented.

AG's defense and rebounding could be better, but he has talent.

Vuc's rim protection could be better, but he's a decent rebounder and has a good post game and a great jumper.

Evan can hit jumpers and finish around the basket, wish he would rebound a bit more and get to the line more as well as defend a bit better, but he's a good player in this league that many teams would love to have either starting or off the bench.

EP can run a team nicely and is a decent finisher and rebounder, wish he would go back to that pesky defense he played in his rookie year and hit jumpers more consistently. But he's talented as well.

Isaac is probably the second most talented player on the team besides maybe Gordon, he's got a high IQ, good instincts on defense and the boards, and he's a good and willing passer, just need to give him time to develop into a good to great player, but I think we have something special in Isaac.

What this team really lacks is a paint protector that scares the opposition from driving, and an elite number 1 option. The talent is there to make the playoffs with one of those two things we're missing, but if we can somehow get both without giving up too much, watch out.

[cedric76]

This team has a lot of talents, they just don't play good team basketball

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[Skybox]

The longer Isaac is out, the better he seems to be getting.

I'm a big fan of his potential, but play this guy 30 minutes. Hand responsibility (at least the defensive side) to him and let's see what we've got. I seem to remember him playing well alongside Biz. Chemistry among bigs is HUGE on D. Encourage him to shoot. I don't think there's enough evidence to support "bring him along slowly" in the NBA, if a player really has elite potential. What are we protecting him from? mistakes, losses, misses, embarrassment? How about experience, opportunity, lessons-it's basketball, get out there!

I've felt the same about Hezonja. He may be a bust, but we'll never really know. I think a high draft pick needs the teams support and confidence-even before they've earned it.

Great players, to the best of my recollection, jump in and succeed. Are there more than a handful that were "developed" over a few seasons? Honest question.

[tiderulz]

The longer Isaac is out, the better he seems to be getting.

I'm a big fan of his potential, but play this guy 30 minutes. Hand responsibility (at least the defensive side) to him and let's see what we've got. I seem to remember him playing well alongside Biz. Chemistry among bigs is HUGE on D. Encourage him to shoot. I don't think there's enough evidence to support "bring him along slowly" in the NBA, if a player really has elite potential. What are we protecting him from? mistakes, losses, misses, embarrassment? How about experience, opportunity, lessons-it's basketball, get out there!

I've felt the same about Hezonja. He may be a bust, but we'll never really know. I think a high draft pick needs the teams support and confidence-even before they've earned it.

Great players, to the best of my recollection, jump in and succeed. Are there more than a handful that were "developed" over a few seasons? Honest question.

i dont know that we can play him 30 mpg yet. he needs to gain a bit more muscle to help banging around and to stay away from injuries.

as for developed, just a few that werent FT starters their first few years (depends on definition of great):
Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Kawhi
Kobe
James Harden
Giannis
Dwight
CJ McCollum

problem with "great" players, they are usually drafted very high for bad teams, that need them to start right away. Its the good players that were gems, picked 9-18, on middling teams that didnt have to start them right away that developed.

[nymets1]

Certain people don't realize that with Isaac out, It would really help us out to get him back. We can talk about shots not falling, our defense not good, ball movement not good enough,etc but people don't realize Isaac being available on the court helps us out quite a bit. The game is 48 minutes, Isaac being available to play has its impact over the course of the 48 minute game and we see the impact over the 48 minute games without Isaac out for 6 games. We all should be in agreement as long as Isaac is healthy he should be on the court for 30 to 36 minutes every game and we can cover for him when he rests for 12 to 18 minutes. But everything changes with no Isaac and we have to cover for him for the 48 minute games and everything changes when he's back on the court and healthy.

[PennytoShaq]

I've said this all year. I think Isaac should start. I would start DJ/Evan/Isaac/AG and Biz. I want to see that lineup log some minutes. Breakup the Evan/Vuc lovefest for a bit and let AG and Evan be our offensive leaders.

[Blue_and_Whte]

That's not the only stat that matters. We had 3 guys shooting lights out and now they're not. We weren't winning because of Isaac and bringing him back won't change much imo.


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[PennytoShaq]

Bringing Isaac back won't change much? I LOL at that. Even Vogel has been quoted as saying that we really are missing him.

Reality is that Isaac is our most talented player. He is just young and needs court time to learn the NBA game. But he already affects the game with his weakside D better than any other player on our team does.

[JF5]

Bringing Isaac back won't change much? I LOL at that. Even Vogel has been quoted as saying that we really are missing him.

Reality is that Isaac is our most talented player. He is just young and needs court time to learn the NBA game. But he already affects the game with his weakside D better than any other player on our team does.

He is a rookie who only plays 15-20 minutes a game. The impact he has isn't as large as people want to make it. And even then when he did have an effect there were a lot of games where he played in where the Magic allowed a lot of points and high percentage of shooting to opponents. The only difference was the Magic were outshooting those teams in those games.

He's a pretty good defender who I believe will be an elite defender/rim protector eventually as he has the instincts/tools. But he clearly doesn't have that impact now.

[BadMofoPimp]

Simmons is the best defensive player.

[PennytoShaq]

Bringing Isaac back won't change much? I LOL at that. Even Vogel has been quoted as saying that we really are missing him.

Reality is that Isaac is our most talented player. He is just young and needs court time to learn the NBA game. But he already affects the game with his weakside D better than any other player on our team does.

He is a rookie who only plays 15-20 minutes a game. The impact he has isn't as large as people want to make it. And even then when he did have an effect there were a lot of games where he played in where the Magic allowed a lot of points and high percentage of shooting to opponents. The only difference was the Magic were outshooting those teams in those games.

He's a pretty good defender who I believe will be an elite defender/rim protector eventually as he has the instincts/tools. But he clearly doesn't have that impact now.

Frank Vogel clearly stated that he does. I see it the same way as him. Have not seen a guy that natural at help D at such a young age before.

[JF5]

Bringing Isaac back won't change much? I LOL at that. Even Vogel has been quoted as saying that we really are missing him.

Reality is that Isaac is our most talented player. He is just young and needs court time to learn the NBA game. But he already affects the game with his weakside D better than any other player on our team does.

He is a rookie who only plays 15-20 minutes a game. The impact he has isn't as large as people want to make it. And even then when he did have an effect there were a lot of games where he played in where the Magic allowed a lot of points and high percentage of shooting to opponents. The only difference was the Magic were outshooting those teams in those games.

He's a pretty good defender who I believe will be an elite defender/rim protector eventually as he has the instincts/tools. But he clearly doesn't have that impact now.

Frank Vogel clearly stated that he does. I see it the same way as him. Have not seen a guy that natural at help D at such a young age before.

He has impact but that in which shifts the defense to being decent or elite status? That's an obvious no...

I like him as much as anyone here who believe he's has the tools to be a difference maker. But that's down the line. Right now he is role playing project rookie just trying to find his way, playing rotational minutes on a team that doesn't have enough talent on either side of the ball. He shouldn't be tasked with being the defensive anchor at this point. And it's pretty sad that people are already saying this about a rookie who can barely play 20 minutes a game and the team has been obliterated on the defensive end night in and night out. Shows how void of talent this team is with those sorts of statements.