2018 Draft / Tank Thread 2.0: The push for a top 3 pick (Currently #4 :( )

PrimeThyme · Post #1 » by **PrimeThyme** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:15 pm

Tankathon

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Doncic:

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Young:

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Ayton:

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Bagely:

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Statlanta · Post #2 » by **Statlanta** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:25 pm

If not Ayton then get the guy with the most guard skills. Isaac(against NBA talent) and AG(against most SFs and the best PFs) prove to be not dynamic with the ball in their hand. Especially if we are looking to trade both Evan and EP, we need a dynamic ball-handler to feed these guys.

MagicFan101 · Post #3 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:17 pm

OrlandoTill wrote:If not Ayton then get the guy with the most guard skills. Isaac(against NBA talent) and AG(against most SFs and the best PFs) prove to be not dynamic with the ball in their hand. Especially if we are looking to trade both Evan and EP, we need a dynamic ball-handler to feed these guys.

We haven't had time to seen anything from Isaac and you're writing him off against any and all NBA talent?

Magic#1 · Post #4 » by **Magic#1** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:35 pm

OrlandoTill wrote:If not Ayton then get the guy with the most guard skills. Isaac(against NBA talent) and AG(against most SFs and the best PFs) prove to be not dynamic with the ball in their hand. Especially if we are looking to trade both Evan and EP, we need a dynamic ball-handler to feed these guys.

Agreed. To me, Doncic is that guy. But I won't be upset if we get Young either. I really hope we can find a trade for another lotto pick.

yoyojw17 · Post #5 » by **yoyojw17** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:45 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
OrlandoTill wrote:If not Ayton then get the guy with the most guard skills. Isaac(against NBA talent) and AG(against most SFs and the best PFs) prove to be not dynamic with the ball in their hand. Especially if we are looking to trade both Evan and EP, we need a dynamic ball-handler to feed these guys.

We haven't had time to seen anything from Isaac and you're writing him off against any and all NBA talent?

I personally hope they gain and exhibit those as strengths.... BUT... that said.... If we keep this team as is... I am going to go with also an offensive minded guard... that can score and distribute the ball.... which will help take the burden off of the other players that are trying to fill that position. Doncic is probably going to be a front runner for me.... as i see him as a taller version of james harden.... with the desire to also exist on the defensive end of the court.

If Evan and Vooch are moved (hopefully for a said perimeter talent).... i am totally open to selecting Bamba.... and pairing him with ag and isaac!!!

OrlMagic05 · Post #6 » by **OrlMagic05** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:15 pm

The more I watch Ayton, the more he remind me of Ewing.

p0peye · Post #7 » by **p0peye** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:28 pm

I love Isaac, but pairing Dončić with Dennis Smith Jr. would be electric. I've seen what Dragić and Dončić have done this past summer and it wasn't fun for opposing team's fans.

VFX · Post #8 » by **VFX** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:48 pm

p0peye wrote:I love Isaac, but pairing Dončić with Dennis Smith Jr. would be electric. I've seen what Dragić and Dončić have done this past summer and it wasn't fun for opposing team's fans.

Too bad

pepe1991 · Post #9 » by **pepe1991** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:59 pm

Any news on Isaac ? Out until March or ?

MagicFan101 · Post #10 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:00 pm

p0peye wrote:I love Isaac, but pairing Dončić with Dennis Smith Jr. would be electric. I've seen what Dragić and Dončić have done this past summer and it wasn't fun for opposing team's fans.

That was against competition which wouldn’t hold their own against the NBA G-league.

You are overly obsessed with foreign talent. That is understandable given your familiarity with it but most should have some sense of their homerism and know when to tone it down.

MagicFan101 · Post #11 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:11 pm

Atlanta owns their own, the Rockets and the T-Wolves pick this year.

What might it cost us to acquire that Minny pick at the deadline? Currently it is only the #25 pick. Surely this will not reach the lottery but only 6 games separate the #25 spot from the #14 spot.

That pick could easily become much more of a draft night trade asset.

Truth24 · Post #12 » by **Truth24** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:13 pm

The more I watch the more interested in Bagley III I become.

MagicFan101 · Post #13 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:18 pm

Truth24 wrote:The more I watch the more interested in Bagley III I become.

I haven’t thought much of him this entire draft season. But I was exclusively looking at him as a long, combo forward lacking a traditional position.

The more I was him under this buzz of a potential new age center, I more I soften up to him. The key word here is SOFTEN. I am still not on board the hype train, but I’m paying more attention.

Magic#1 · Post #14 » by **Magic#1** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:18 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Atlanta owns their own, the Rockets and the T-Wolves pick this year.

What might it cost us to acquire that Minny pick at the deadline? Currently it is only the #25 pick. Surely this will not reach the lottery but only 6 games separate the #25 spot from the #14 spot.

That pick could easily become much more of a draft night trade asset.

Considering the situation Atlanta is in, I doubt they're willing to trade picks.

p0peye · Post #15 » by **p0peye** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:20 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
p0peye wrote:I love Isaac, but pairing Dončić with Dennis Smith Jr. would be electric. I've seen what Dragić and Dončić have done this past summer and it wasn't fun for opposing team's fans.

That was against competition which wouldn’t hold their own against the NBA G-league.

You are overly obsessed with foreign talent. That is understandable given your familiarity with it but most should have some sense of their homerism and know when to tone it down.

Comparing international competitions such as Euroleague, European Championship or Spanish ACB League with G leagues speaks volumes in itself.

1. There are NT out there that have a lot of NBA players on the roster such as France or Spain.
2. International teams have beaten USA NT several times in past, unless they come loaded with superstars - hence USA didn't win 1998, 2002 or 2006 World Cups. It didn't have the drawing power of Olympics, thus USA came with "B" level NBA players.
3. No NCAA team consisting of U21 players is close to competing with grown man in G League, let alone Euroleague or NT team.

Player in question here (Luka Dončić) is considered top 3 pick among most mock drafts, many listing him as No.1. Why does it bother you so much that you resort to call me a homer? SMH.

MagicFan101 · Post #16 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:24 pm

p0peye wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
p0peye wrote:I love Isaac, but pairing Dončić with Dennis Smith Jr. would be electric. I've seen what Dragić and Dončić have done this past summer and it wasn't fun for opposing team's fans.

That was against competition which wouldn’t hold their own against the NBA G-league.

You are overly obsessed with foreign talent. That is understandable given your familiarity with it but most should have some sense of their homerism and know when to tone it down.

Comparing international competitions such as Euroleague, European Championship or Spanish ACB League with G leagues speaks volumes in itself.

1. There are NT out there that have a lot of NBA players on the roster such as France or Spain.
2. International teams have beaten USA NT several times in past, unless they come loaded with superstars - hence USA didn't win 1998, 2002 or 2006 World Cups. It didn't have the drawing power of Olympics, thus USA came with "B" level NBA players.
3. No NCAA team consisting of U21 players is close to competing with grown man in G League, let alone Euroleague or NT team.

Player in question here (Luka Dončić) is considered top 3 pick among most mock drafts, many listing him as No.1. Why does it bother you so much that you resort to call me a homer? SMH.

? That wasn’t an insult. We’re all homers dude. No one can watch everything and anything related to the draft. We follow what we can and that limited sample impacts over favorites. It’s not all that different than supporting players from your college team for no reason than they went to your school... a phenomena known as being a homer.

Being in BIG-12 country, this same thing had me high on Ben McLemore once upon a time. It happens. It’s just good to be more aware of it.

DjPuffnStuff · Post #17 » by **DjPuffnStuff** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:26 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Any news on Isaac ? Out until March or ?

The last injury update I read was, " Nowhere near return"

pepe1991 · Post #18 » by **pepe1991** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:42 pm

DjPuffnStuff wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Any news on Isaac ? Out until March or ?

The last injury update I read was, " Nowhere near return"

¸
So after allstar game they will just shut him down for a year i guess....

p0peye · Post #19 » by **p0peye** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:00 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
p0peye wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
That was against competition which wouldn’t hold their own against the NBA G-league.

You are overly obsessed with foreign talent. That is understandable given your familiarity with it but most should have some sense of their homerism and know when to tone it down.

Comparing international competitions such as Euroleague, European Championship or Spanish ACB League with G leagues speaks volumes in itself.

1. There are NT out there that have a lot of NBA players on the roster such as France or Spain.
2. International teams have beaten USA NT several times in past, unless they come loaded with superstars - hence USA didn't win 1998, 2002 or 2006 World Cups. It didn't have the drawing power of Olympics, thus USA came with "B" level NBA players.
3. No NCAA team consisting of U21 players is close to competing with grown man in G League, let alone Euroleague or NT team.

Player in question here (Luka Dončić) is considered top 3 pick among most mock drafts, many listing him as No.1. Why does it bother you so much that you resort to call me a homer? SMH.

? That wasn’t an insult. We’re all homers dude. No one can watch everything and anything related to the draft. We follow what we can and that limited sample impacts over favorites. It’s not all that different than supporting players from your college team for no reason than they went to your school... a phenomena known as being a homer.

Being in BIG-12 country, this same thing had me high on Ben McLemore once upon a time. It happens. It’s just good to be more aware of it.

Understood. I don't think it is applicable in this case as that is not the reason I'm behind Dončić, or any European player for that matter - this is first time I suggest drafting one in lottery (Exum is not European). Guy is as proven as it can be at that age and has the highest floor of any player in the draft. I've said he could be smaller, much better Hedo - thus Manu Ginobili if you like.

On another, more selfish note, I'm not a big fan of young players going for greener pastures as it backfires more often then not. There was a time in old Yugoslavia where it was illegal for young player to sign with foreign team before turning 27 - and that was too harsh and unfair, but it did made our league much better than now when most prospects leave as teenagers.

I'm following NBA because I love basketball, in the purest form and have a privilege to consider Magic as my team as much as Partizan - something that I simply can't do with any other team in Europe as they may or have on some level - in past, now or in future - compete against Partizan. Being a fan here has a different connotation than in US, I guess. It was a fun experience for me attending NBA game and having a single woman police officer smile and check my ticket before going in arena. Here we are usually greeted by squadrons of riot police both before, during and escorting us back after the game.

MagicFan101 · Post #20 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:27 pm

p0peye wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
p0peye wrote:
Comparing international competitions such as Euroleague, European Championship or Spanish ACB League with G leagues speaks volumes in itself.

1. There are NT out there that have a lot of NBA players on the roster such as France or Spain.
2. International teams have beaten USA NT several times in past, unless they come loaded with superstars - hence USA didn't win 1998, 2002 or 2006 World Cups. It didn't have the drawing power of Olympics, thus USA came with "B" level NBA players.
3. No NCAA team consisting of U21 players is close to competing with grown man in G League, let alone Euroleague or NT team.

Player in question here (Luka Dončić) is considered top 3 pick among most mock drafts, many listing him as No.1. Why does it bother you so much that you resort to call me a homer? SMH.

? That wasn’t an insult. We’re all homers dude. No one can watch everything and anything related to the draft. We follow what we can and that limited sample impacts over favorites. It’s not all that different than supporting players from your college team for no reason than they went to your school... a phenomena known as being a homer.

Being in BIG-12 country, this same thing had me high on Ben McLemore once upon a time. It happens. It’s just good to be more aware of it.

Understood. I don't think it is applicable in this case as that is not the reason I'm behind Dončić, or any European player for that matter - this is first time I suggest drafting one in lottery (Exum is not European). Guy is as proven as it can be at that age and has the highest floor of any player in the draft. I've said he could be smaller, much better Hedo - thus Manu Ginobili if you like.

On another, more selfish note, I'm not a big fan of young players going for greener pastures as it backfires more often then not. There was a time in old Yugoslavia where it was illegal for young player to sign with foreign team before turning 27 - and that was too harsh and unfair, but it did made our league much better than now when most prospects leave as teenagers.

I'm following NBA because I love basketball, in the purest form and have a privilege to consider Magic as my team as much as Partizan - something that I simply can't do with any other team in Europe as they may or have on some level - in past, now or in future - compete against Partizan. Being a fan here has a different connotation than in US, I guess. It was a fun experience for me attending NBA game and having a single woman police officer smile and check my ticket before going in arena. Here we are usually greeted by squadrons of riot police both before, during and escorting us back after the game.

Your posts are insightful and informative. It would just be nice if we could see some about players who DO NOT require accents for proper spelling of their names! :lol:

If we get the number one pick who's your choice?