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Why Mario Probably Stays in ORL (CBA Perspective) 

Post#1 » by dsg2021 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:53 pm

Greetings to my fellow Magic fans, you may have seen some of my posts.

With this posting, I have approached Mario and Orlando's situation from a mainly CBA perspective, which is the NBA's Collective Bargaining Agreement, or it's "cap rules". You will see how I've explained why Mario probably ends up staying in ORL. And after my 3+ hours of CBA researching, I suspect the ORL FO has long been secretly optimistic about it happening too.

Note: The long-winded body of my post is inside of the spoiler, for the true fans 8-) :lol:
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Mario & Other Teams

Another team can sign Mario to an amount of cap space up to about 25 mil. They can also use Exceptions as well too, limited only by the maximum amount that the specific Exception can reach.

So, for these non-ORL teams:
Option 1: A cap space contract. This can be up to 4 years, with 5% raises. It's a powerful way to steal Mario. You need something that is rather rare this coming summer though; cap space, and more than 5 mil in cap space for a mildly competitive offer too.

Option 2: An exception contract. The two more common (of the three) Mid-Level Exception contracts would be worth more than Orlando's mandated first year amount to Mario as well (more on this later). Not as potentially powerful as a cap space contract, but still powerful. It's particularly powerful in the context of contenders (and teams that Mario really like) who could lure him.

Imagine if GSW offers Mario their Taxpayer Mid-Level deal of 5.5 mil average per year on a 3 year deal? This is the max money/yrs of such an offer (Taxpayer Mid-Level).

Or even if GSW offered up 3.4 mil average per year on a 2 year deal? This the max money/yrs of such an offer (Bi-Annual Exception).

The Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception is the most powerful of the three Mid-Level Exceptions, and is the biggest threat to steal Mario. There could easily be a contender or an interesting team to Mario with this particular exception. And it's basically like signing Mario to a normal cap space contract (even to the same 4 years max and 5% max raises), with the only rule being you can't put the first year amount above 8.5 mil.

Option 3: Have Mario SnT'ed (sign-and-traded) to the new team (the appeal of this to Mario & new-team is for his bird rights to transfer as well). This option is quite interesting in that the new team would have the same exact restrictions as ORL would with Mario this summer. But having bird rights becomes a powerful tool (more on this below, under ORL's perspective).

Mario & Orlando

As we know, ORL dropped their TO (Team Option) on Mario. Maybe they saw some bad things like a player who doesn't bend his knees on defense and wasn't hitting shots early on in the season. Maybe it was a partly motivational tool. All we know for sure is that lately Mario is giving us flashbacks of what J.J. Redick did when he slowly grew out of his shell into a fine young player with a sweet shot. JJ had SVG the whole time and appreciated the process, whereas Mario seems to genuinely enjoy being in ORL but has had no stable head coach to grow with him. It may be up to Mario to appreciate the similarities between him and the JJ situation, as a player story and as a ORL story, in regards to whether he wants to stay here (Or just, you know.. he feels the most confident playing in the rebuilding Magic, with the continuity, as well as with the growing chemistry of knowing teammates better).

Having a clean-slate-FO here could also be a strong plus because they legitimately only had a couple weeks into the start of the season to decide Mario's TO fate, but as a side effect of that decision they can now tell Mario, "Look we love your game and really want you but we legally can't sign you long term to a deal we both like until you have had two straight UFA (unrestricted free agency) summers. This is good for us both though, in that now you have these two opportunities to motivate yourself and gauge your own value on the market, and come back to ORL knowing your value is being well paid by us."

It doesn't sound too bad so far, actually, right? It's like ORL simply decided, "Look, let's put both of us into the fire, and just see what Mario is worth right now for what's probably two straight summers. Let's play him. Let's find out once and for all. Because we are liking his game more and more. We have the cap."


Except here's the big problem with Mario. By dropping Mario's TO (Team Option), ORL triggered an anti-loophole rule in the CBA.

This rule has the effect of allowing other teams to offer Mario more than 4.9 mil in the very first year of his new contract. And ORL, on the other hand, can not offer above 4.9 mil in that very first year. This is because it would violate the whole point of a rookie scale deal if ORL did pay him more than what his TO year would have been (4.9 mil).

So any team offering Mario more than 4.9 mil in his *first year of a contract, would beat ORL's best offer for Mario's *first year in a deal to stay in town (keywords: first year). Sounds like a way to lose a young player who is showing signs of improvement.

But, ORL is probably still in the driver's seat. And here's why:
As long as no team goes too crazy on the first year amount of a deal, the Magic can bring a more exciting and bigger offer to the table. And it's tied to their bird rights with Mario (which they still have).
The bird rights were not dropped with the TO being declined, and these bird rights are exactly what gives Mario his best offer. That is a 5 year deal, with 8% raises, no base salary restrictions, and an ETO option. No outside-ORL deal can match these four qualities. (Even supposing the bird rights were renounced by ORL somehow leaves the alternate scenario that ORL would simply need to resign Mario under a 1 year cap deal or 1 year other-exception deal to instantly restore full bird rights. And it's not like it would be hard for ORL to come up with a 4.9 mil first year deal under a cap or other-exception deal.)


So what does this ORL contract offer look like then? What is the contract that ORL could give to Mario if they played him solid minutes and kept seeing great results throughout the rest of the season?

Mario Hezonja
Orlando Magic contract offer:
Year 1 (2018-2019): 4.9 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 2 (2019-2020): 5.3 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 3 (2020-2021): 5.7 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 4 (2021-2022): 6.15 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 5 (2022-2023): 6.65 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 5->6 Summer: Full bird rights in ORL (unrestricted free agent)
**Contract notes: *ORL has full bird rights with Mario after 1 season. *At the signing of this offer, Mario may choose any summer that he wants to add a PO to. Any summer that he does add it, however, must be a final year of contract though, per CBA rules. When he exercises it, Orlando will be sole holder of full bird rights, with no restrictions on a base salary for a new contract, among other full bird rights perks.

So here's the double kicker; the things that really take Orlando well above the rest as an option:
1) As Orlando is offering at maybe a lesser first year offer than others, and among other numerous reasons, they will be happy to let Mario pick his PO summer. And Mario may be internally seeing his own big jump of improvement and value not in this summer, but perhaps, say, the next one after. So why would he let a team like Detroit lock him into 8 per/4 yr when after 1-2 seasons he explodes and is easily worth at 15 per now. In Orlando, Mario has more freedom and negotiating power.

2) Say Detroit signs Mario for 8 mil per/4 years. They even let him choose his final PO year (so maybe it is a 2 year deal (+1 for PO) if Mario wants the PO after 2 seasons, a 3 (+1) year deal for a PO after 3 seasons, or a 4 (+1) year deal for a PO after 4). This offer is still not as competitive as it seems compared to Orlando's. See below:

With Detroit:
Year 1, 8 mil
Year 2, PO UFA (max amount for a new deal in year 1: 9.6 mil, 5% raises
Year 3, PO UFA (max amount for a new deal in year 1: 14.7 mil, 8% raises
Year 4, PO UFA (max amount for a new deal in year 1: About 25 mil, 8% raises, up to 5 years

Compare this to Orlando:
Year 1, 5 mil
Year 2, PO UFA (max amount for a new deal in year 1: About 25 mil, 8% raises, up to 5 years
Year 3, PO UFA (max amount for a new deal in year 1: About 25 mil, 8% raises, up to 5 years
Year 4, PO UFA (max amount for a new deal in year 1: About 25 mil, 8% raises, up to 5 years

So imagine Mario is confident that he'll keep improving and play into a 13-14 mil per year level of impact after 1 more season. In Detroit, he would be making less than money than he would have in Orlando by his second season into the new deal already. This is because Orlando can already lock Mario into something of a secure 14 mil per/4-5 year deal/8% raises/one PO type of deal after 1 season. In Detroit.. he's getting paid 9.6 mil at 5% raises and 3-4 years. (9.6 + 8.0 = 17.6 mil earned through 2 seasons in Detroit vs. 5.0 mil + 14.0 mil = 19.0 mil earned through 2 seasons in Orlando).


So any summer that Mario puts his PO in with Orlando's deal, he gets to mull all of the offers patiently. And then Orlando gets to come in and immediately offer a 5 year deal, with any base salary, 8% raises and one PO or one ETO, adding in a trade kicker, signing bonuses, and performance bonuses. The Magic are not limited any base salary restriction for the first year because of full bird rights. (Bird rights cannot be extinguished if Mario has never been placed on waivers or changed teams).

In Conclusion:
The only realistic and threatening offer is a team going crazy for Mario, especially in a exorbitant first year amount. One team could use their cap space, but they would have to start it off with probably 8 mil per year to be competitive with the very possible offer, below from ORL. And they would have to likely beat ORL's 29 mil in guaranteed money too. That's not an easy amount of cap space to make.

Other teams could try throwing the full Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception with an 8.5 mil starting year, and extending it out as far as possible to 4 years and 5% raises, giving a total of around 34 mil in guaranteed money. Keep in mind, however, that even in this scenario, the offer would have 0-1 PO's (player options) and new base salary restrictions, meaning that we are now back to another scenario where Mario could have a better deal through ORL's below (if he trusts his value will go above about 9 mil per year in a locked-in deal from another team, or, a mostly-locked-in deal).




Overall then, ORL actually has a really great shot at keeping Mario this summer.

Mario Hezonja
Orlando Magic contract offer:
Year 1 (2018-2019): 4.9 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 2* (2019-2020): 5.3 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 3* (2020-2021): 5.7 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 4* (2021-2022): 6.15 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 5* (2022-2023): 6.65 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 5->6 Summer: Full bird rights in ORL (unrestricted free agent)
**Contract notes: *ORL has full bird rights with Mario after 1 season. *At the signing of this offer, Mario may also choose any summer that he wants to add a PO to. Any summer that he does add it, however, must be a final year of contract though, per CBA rules. When he exercises it, Orlando will again be sole holder of full bird rights, with no restrictions on a base salary for a new contract (among other perks).

This very possible ORL offer, above, gives Mario a lot of things; even more confidence out on the floor, more options and opportunities, and the security of large guaranteed money. Win-win.
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Re: Why Mario Probably Stays in ORL (CBA Perspective) 

Post#2 » by OrlandO » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:52 am

Props for all the effort you put into this post, but I think Mario's pretty much gone (assuming he maintains his competent play the rest of the season). He'd be insane to stay here for less money and/or a lesser role than he could get elsewhere.... teams wouldn't even have to offer him that much more for it to make sense for him financially. Hell, he'd be better off signing as a backup for a contender if he's going to sign a bargain contract. Let's face it, we've crapped the bed with the decision to decline. If he does decide to stick around like a loyal dog who doesn't know any better, then we should retire his jersey and build him a damn statue.
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Post#3 » by UCFJayBird » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:05 am

At this point in his career he will take whichever contract offers him the most money and a stable contract, and I'd be surprised if he isn't offered more than what Orlando can offer him (about $24m/4 years max). That's assuming he keeps playing well. Player Options help, but he's not going to turn down millions for it.
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Post#4 » by DjPuffnStuff » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:00 am

Great read! Its nice to see some/most of his options in a very understandable post.

What do we know about Mario? We know he's not really into material things( mansions, cars, bling ....etc) He's really into being a gym rat and spending his waking hours in the gym. He does love Traveling and meeting people.He also loves working with children and being a "role model type". Does living in Florida and getting tax breaks come into play on his decision?
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Post#5 » by OrlandO » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:10 am

DjPuffnStuff wrote:Great read! Its nice to see some/most of his options in a very understandable post.

What do we know about Mario? We know he's not really into material things( mansions, cars, bling ....etc) He's really into being a gym rat and spending his waking hours in the gym. He does love Traveling and meeting people.He also loves working with children and being a "role model type". Does living in Florida and getting tax breaks come into play on his decision?

Mario has a Ferrari... he's a pretty big car guy.
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Post#6 » by DjPuffnStuff » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:23 am

OrlandO wrote:
DjPuffnStuff wrote:Great read! Its nice to see some/most of his options in a very understandable post.

What do we know about Mario? We know he's not really into material things( mansions, cars, bling ....etc) He's really into being a gym rat and spending his waking hours in the gym. He does love Traveling and meeting people.He also loves working with children and being a "role model type". Does living in Florida and getting tax breaks come into play on his decision?

Mario has a Ferrari... he's a pretty big car guy.
You're missing my point.
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Post#7 » by OrlandO » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:27 am

DjPuffnStuff wrote:
OrlandO wrote:
DjPuffnStuff wrote:Great read! Its nice to see some/most of his options in a very understandable post.

What do we know about Mario? We know he's not really into material things( mansions, cars, bling ....etc) He's really into being a gym rat and spending his waking hours in the gym. He does love Traveling and meeting people.He also loves working with children and being a "role model type". Does living in Florida and getting tax breaks come into play on his decision?

Mario has a Ferrari... he's a pretty big car guy.
You're missing my point.

What is your point?
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Post#8 » by DjPuffnStuff » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:38 am

He owns A car, not 6. He's not a material type person.
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Post#9 » by Tayswagzzz » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:59 am

UCFJayBird wrote:At this point in his career he will take whichever contract offers him the most money and a stable contract, and I'd be surprised if he isn't offered more than what Orlando can offer him (about $24m/4 years max). That's assuming he keeps playing well. Player Options help, but he's not going to turn down millions for it.


I remember a poster mention a 1+1 deal we could give Mario, the same as Austin Rivers got. Give him the max we can offer which is like $5m-6m? Then he can opt out and we can re-sign him to a higher salary...instead of him getting $5-6m a year for 4 years, he could get like $44m/4 years for example after 2019...
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Post#10 » by UCFJayBird » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:07 am

Tayswagzzz wrote:
UCFJayBird wrote:At this point in his career he will take whichever contract offers him the most money and a stable contract, and I'd be surprised if he isn't offered more than what Orlando can offer him (about $24m/4 years max). That's assuming he keeps playing well. Player Options help, but he's not going to turn down millions for it.


I remember a poster mention a 1+1 deal we could give Mario, the same as Austin Rivers got. Give him the max we can offer which is like $5m-6m? Then he can opt out and we can re-sign him to a higher salary...instead of him getting $5-6m a year for 4 years, he could get like $44m/4 years for example after 2019...


Probably the best chance the Magic have for sure. But if I'm Mario and a team comes in offering $32m for 4 years guaranteed or Orlando with $11m over two years (2nd year player option), I take the extra money. He has a career ending injury and could cost him 20m.


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Post#11 » by dsg2021 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:17 am

UCFJayBird wrote:At this point in his career he will take whichever contract offers him the most money and a stable contract, and I'd be surprised if he isn't offered more than what Orlando can offer him (about $24m/4 years max). That's assuming he keeps playing well. Player Options help, but he's not going to turn down millions for it.


Orlando should be able to do that 5 year offer for Mario in my OP post. Which is a great amount of security for Mario until he’s ready to test a player option.


The next best way I’ve been trying to frame the positives with a contract in Orlando is;

Mario’s new base salary can be any amount after 1 more season with Orlando. This is as big a positive for signing in Orlando as the full bird rights perks; 5 year deal, two PO’s, and 8% raises (that only Orlando can offer too).


So some teams might try to get him for like 8 mil of a first year deal to lure him away, but this can easily trap Mario because after one season with a new team he can only get a 5% raise (this is when Orlando can already blow Mario away with a much higher number!), and maybe even after his second season he might be hurt again by the 175% rule.


Here’s the real life example:
Say Mario signs up for 8 mil in Detroit for his first year, 8.5 mil for a second year, then Detroit gives him a new deal here after that year, limited up to 14.8 mil max in his new first year deal (third year total in Detroit)(because of the 175% rule).

Here’s how Orlando counters; Mario signs up for ORL’s offer of 4.9 mil first year, Mario signs up for ORL’s offer of 12 mil new first year (second year total in Orlando). Now at this point Mario has already recouped and beat Detroit’s 16.5 mil deal through two years by staying a UFA with bird rights in Orlando. That 12 mil new first year Orlando deal can then also be a 5 year deal with 8% raises and two PO’s, so once again Mario can reset back to a new contract for like 20 mil as soon as he’s worth it, or keep taking the security of a nice fat deal starting at 12 mil per for many seasons.
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Post#12 » by OrlandO » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:40 am

DjPuffnStuff wrote:He owns A car, not 6. He's not a material type person.

He actually owns more than 1 car. Like I said, he's a huge car guy... he doesn't mind spending on them. Who knows what else he does with his money or what he'll do or wants to do with access to even more money...
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Post#13 » by dsg2021 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:02 am

UCFJayBird wrote:
Tayswagzzz wrote:
UCFJayBird wrote:At this point in his career he will take whichever contract offers him the most money and a stable contract, and I'd be surprised if he isn't offered more than what Orlando can offer him (about $24m/4 years max). That's assuming he keeps playing well. Player Options help, but he's not going to turn down millions for it.


I remember a poster mention a 1+1 deal we could give Mario, the same as Austin Rivers got. Give him the max we can offer which is like $5m-6m? Then he can opt out and we can re-sign him to a higher salary...instead of him getting $5-6m a year for 4 years, he could get like $44m/4 years for example after 2019...


Probably the best chance the Magic have for sure. But if I'm Mario and a team comes in offering $32m for 4 years guaranteed or Orlando with $11m over two years (2nd year player option), I take the extra money. He has a career ending injury and could cost him 20m.


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All true, but;
They can insulate that offer by offering the 1+1 in a sneaky way. Using their Mid-Level deal to do a 29 mil guaranteed deal over 5 seasons. So if Mario has a bad injury, then he still has a lot of money owed to him by not exercising his 1+1 PO.
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Post#14 » by dsg2021 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:04 am

dsg2021 wrote:
UCFJayBird wrote:
Tayswagzzz wrote:
I remember a poster mention a 1+1 deal we could give Mario, the same as Austin Rivers got. Give him the max we can offer which is like $5m-6m? Then he can opt out and we can re-sign him to a higher salary...instead of him getting $5-6m a year for 4 years, he could get like $44m/4 years for example after 2019...


Probably the best chance the Magic have for sure. But if I'm Mario and a team comes in offering $32m for 4 years guaranteed or Orlando with $11m over two years (2nd year player option), I take the extra money. He has a career ending injury and could cost him 20m.


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All true, but;
The can insulate that offer by offering the 1+1 in a sneaky way. Using their Bird deal to do a 29 mil guaranteed deal over 5 seasons. So if Mario has a bad injury, then he still has a lot of money owed to him by not exercising his 1+1 PO.
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Post#15 » by woosah » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:33 am

dsg2021 wrote:
dsg2021 wrote:
UCFJayBird wrote:
Probably the best chance the Magic have for sure. But if I'm Mario and a team comes in offering $32m for 4 years guaranteed or Orlando with $11m over two years (2nd year player option), I take the extra money. He has a career ending injury and could cost him 20m.


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All true, but;
The can insulate that offer by offering the 1+1 in a sneaky way. Using their Bird deal to do a 29 mil guaranteed deal over 5 seasons. So if Mario has a bad injury, then he still has a lot of money owed to him by not exercising his 1+1 PO.

This is all probably moot because i don't think they want to do that (offer him 5 years) but we can't do what you are saying. Coming off a rookie scale contract has specific and different rules and the bird rights thing is not 8%. The 8% is for regular nba contracts (See chart #53), and also #47 which says it is different.

47. First round draft picks operate under a different set of rules?
Yes. There's a salary scale for first round draft picks and their first contracts.


However, if the team declines either option and the player becomes a free agent, the team cannot re-sign him to a salary greater than he would have received had the team exercised its option. In other words, teams can't decline an option year in order to get around the rookie salary scale and give the player more money. This applies to all types of signings, including the Bird exception, the Mid-Level exception, and cap room.



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Post#16 » by yoyojw17 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:41 am

dsg2021 wrote:Greetings to my fellow Magic fans, you may have seen some of my posts.

With this posting, I have approached Mario and Orlando's situation from a mainly CBA perspective, which is the NBA's Collective Bargaining Agreement, or it's "cap rules". You will see how I've explained why Mario probably ends up staying in ORL. And after my 3+ hours of CBA researching, I suspect the ORL FO has long been secretly optimistic about it happening too.

Note: The long-winded body of my post is inside of the spoiler, for the true fans 8-) :lol:
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Mario & Other Teams

Another team can sign Mario to an amount of cap space up to about 25 mil. They can also use Exceptions as well too, limited only by the maximum amount that the specific Exception can reach.

So, for these non-ORL teams:
Option 1: A cap space contract. This can be up to 4 years, with 5% raises. It's a powerful way to steal Mario. You need something that is rather rare this coming summer though; cap space, and more than 5 mil in cap space for a mildly competitive offer too.

Option 2: An exception contract. The two more common (of the three) Mid-Level Exception contracts would be worth more than Orlando's mandated first year amount to Mario as well (more on this later). Not as potentially powerful as a cap space contract, but still powerful. It's particularly powerful in the context of contenders (and teams that Mario really like) who could lure him.

Imagine if GSW offers Mario their Taxpayer Mid-Level deal of 5.5 mil average per year on a 3 year deal? This is the max money/yrs of such an offer (Taxpayer Mid-Level).

Or even if GSW offered up 3.4 mil average per year on a 2 year deal? This the max money/yrs of such an offer (Bi-Annual Exception).

The Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception is the most powerful of the three Mid-Level Exceptions, and is the biggest threat to steal Mario. There could easily be a contender or an interesting team to Mario with this particular exception. And it's basically like signing Mario to a normal cap space contract (even to the same 4 years max and 5% max raises), with the only rule being you can't put the first year amount above 8.5 mil.

Option 3: Have Mario SnT'ed (sign-and-traded) to the new team (the appeal of this to Mario & new-team is for his bird rights to transfer as well). This option is quite interesting in that the new team would have the same exact restrictions as ORL would with Mario this summer. But having bird rights becomes a powerful tool (more on this below, under ORL's perspective).

Mario & Orlando

As we know, ORL dropped their TO (Team Option) on Mario. Maybe they saw some bad things like a player who doesn't bend his knees on defense and wasn't hitting shots early on in the season. Maybe it was a partly motivational tool. All we know for sure is that lately Mario is giving us flashbacks of what J.J. Redick did when he slowly grew out of his shell into a fine young player with a sweet shot. JJ had SVG the whole time and appreciated the process, whereas Mario seems to genuinely enjoy being in ORL but has had no stable head coach to grow with him. It may be up to Mario to appreciate the similarities between him and the JJ situation, as a player story and as a ORL story, in regards to whether he wants to stay here (Or just, you know.. he feels the most confident playing in the rebuilding Magic, with the continuity, as well as with the growing chemistry of knowing teammates better).

Having a clean-slate-FO here could also be a strong plus because they legitimately only had a couple weeks into the start of the season to decide Mario's TO fate, but as a side effect of that decision they can now tell Mario, "Look we love your game and really want you but we legally can't sign you long term to a deal we both like until you have had two straight UFA (unrestricted free agency) summers. This is good for us both though, in that now you have these two opportunities to motivate yourself and gauge your own value on the market, and come back to ORL knowing your value is being well paid by us."

It doesn't sound too bad so far, actually, right? It's like ORL simply decided, "Look, let's put both of us into the fire, and just see what Mario is worth right now for what's probably two straight summers. Let's play him. Let's find out once and for all. Because we are liking his game more and more. We have the cap."


Except here's the big problem with Mario. By dropping Mario's TO (Team Option), ORL triggered an anti-loophole rule in the CBA.

This rule has the effect of allowing other teams to offer Mario more than 4.9 mil in the very first year of his new contract. And ORL, on the other hand, can not offer above 4.9 mil in that very first year. This is because it would violate the whole point of a rookie scale deal if ORL did pay him more than what his TO year would have been (4.9 mil).

So any team offering Mario more than 4.9 mil in his *first year of a contract, would beat ORL's best offer for Mario's *first year in a deal to stay in town (keywords: first year). Sounds like a way to lose a young player who is showing signs of improvement.

But, ORL is probably still in the driver's seat. And here's why:
As long as no team goes too crazy on the first year amount of a deal (keeping in mind all of the scenarios, only two of them let the new-team sign Mario for 4 yrs/5% raises), the Magic can bring a more exciting and bigger offer to the table. And it's tied to their bird rights with Mario (which they still have).
The bird rights were not dropped with the TO being declined, and these bird rights are exactly what gives Mario his best offer. That is a 5 year deal, with 8% raises, and an ETO option. No outside-ORL deal can match these three qualities. (Even supposing the bird rights were renounced by ORL somehow leaves the alternate scenario that ORL would simply need to resign Mario under a 1 year cap deal or 1 year other-exception deal to instantly restore full bird rights. And it's not like it would be hard for ORL to come up with a 4.9 mil first year deal under a cap or other-exception deal.)


So what does this ORL contract offer look like then? What is the contract that ORL could give to Mario if they played him solid minutes and kept seeing great results throughout the rest of the season?


Mario Hezonja
Year 1 (2018-2019): 4.9 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 2 (2019-2020): 5.3 mil (Player Option)
Year 3 (2020-2021): 5.7 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 4 (2021-2022): 6.15 mil (Early Termination Option; player option)
Year 5 (2022-2023): 6.65 mil (fully guaranteed)


As you can see, the amounts are nothing too crazy, but there are a couple of reasons why this deal offer is, likely, extremely competitive.

Reason one:
If Mario makes a big jump in his on-the-floor impact, then he probably outplayed even his first year amount signed by a new team. Except now he's probably been bargain-bought into their roster for 2-4 non-PO years.
If he stays in ORL, instead, he will have an immediate PO after his first year to get his true/best value. And have yet another PO after his third year.
His Other-Teams' offers may not include that PO after his first year. And none of Mario's Other-Teams' offers can even legally add the ETO that is found in this ORL offer as well.

Reason two:
If Mario doesn't make a big jump (or just improves on a solid path, relatable to his contract amount), then while he still feels out what's his highest market value in two specific summers, he still has a minimum of 29 mil guaranteed and locked in the bank through a contract signed this very summer with ORL.
Keep in mind,
1) that ORL can pay any amount of money in Mario's two PO summers too (ex. POR is interested to sign Mario for 10 mil per, starting in 2019-2020, but ORL could instead increase it all the way up to around 12-25 mil per through bird rights!), and,
2) Mario could theoretically get an 8 mil or 10 mil first year offer, but does the total deal's guaranteed money match up to ORL's 29 mil guaranteed? Likely not.


In Conclusion:
The only realistic and threatening offer is a team going crazy for Mario. One team could use their cap space, but they would have to start it off with probably 8 mil per year to be competitive with the very possible offer below from ORL. And they would have to likely beat ORL's 29 mil in guaranteed money too. That's not an easy amount of cap space to make.

Other teams could try throwing the full Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception with an 8.5 mil starting year, and extending it out as far as possible to 4 years and 5% raises, giving a total of around 34 mil in guaranteed money. Keep in mind, however, that even in this scenario, the offer would have 0-1 PO's (player options), meaning that we are now back to another scenario where Mario could have a better deal through ORL's below (if he trusts his value will go above about 9 mil per year in a locked-in deal from another team, or, a mostly-locked-in deal).

Overall though, ORL actually has a really great shot at keeping Mario this summer.

Mario Hezonja
Year 1 (2018-2019): 4.9 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 2 (2019-2020): 5.3 mil (Player Option)
Year 3 (2020-2021): 5.7 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 4 (2021-2022): 6.15 mil (Early Termination Option; player option)
Year 5 (2022-2023): 6.65 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 5->6 Summer: Full bird rights in ORL (unrestricted free agent)

This very possible ORL offer, above, gives Mario a lot of things; even more confidence out on the floor, more options and opportunities, and the security of large guaranteed money. Win-win.



Edit: I also added one more explanation to Mario & Orlando’s situation. I think I framed it much better by using a real life scenario.

Spoiler:
Mario’s new base salary can be any amount after 1 more season with Orlando. This is as big a positive for signing in Orlando as the full bird rights perks; 5 year deal, two PO’s, and 8% raises (that only Orlando can offer too).

So some teams might try to get him for like 8 mil of a first year deal to lure him away, but this can easily trap Mario because after one season with a new team he can only get a 5% raise (this is when Orlando can already blow Mario away with a much higher number!), and maybe even after his second season he might be hurt again by the 175% rule.

Now here’s the real life example:
Say Mario signs up for 8 mil in Detroit for his first year, 8.5 mil for a second year, then Detroit gives him a new deal here after that year, limited up to 14.8 mil max in his new first year deal (third year total in Detroit)(because of the 175% rule).

Here’s how Orlando counters; Mario signs up for ORL’s offer of 4.9 mil first year, Mario signs up for ORL’s offer of 12 mil new first year (second year total in Orlando). Now at this point Mario has already recouped and beat Detroit’s 16.5 mil deal through two years by staying a UFA with bird rights in Orlando. That 12 mil new first year Orlando deal can then also be a 5 year deal with 8% raises and two PO’s, so once again Mario can reset back to a new contract for like 20 mil as soon as he’s worth it, or keep taking the security of a nice fat deal starting at 12 mil per for many seasons.

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Re: Why Mario Probably Stays in ORL (CBA Perspective) 

Post#17 » by DiplomaticMagic » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:14 am

If Mario re-signs with the Magic, I will buy his jersey the day he does.
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Post#18 » by shadrock » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:16 am

Three points i think need to be made:

- dont underestimate the power of Marios sense of loyalty. I think he would like to stay here if its possible. International players tend to have a greater sense of loyalty than US players (no disrespect intended).

- mario has made a home in orlando. For a player from croatia with less local support etc, moving is a big deal. He has said he likes it here.

- his relationship with frank seems better than we may have thought, and he has shown lately he is still listening to his message, which is a good sign.
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Post#19 » by DBoys » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:05 am

We were asked to come lend some perspective on the cap and this issue. No offense intended to the Magic or any posters here, just am here to give some blunt feedback as requested.

1 I will start with the OP which proposed the following.
Mario Hezonja
Year 1 (2018-2019): 4.9 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 2 (2019-2020): 5.3 mil (Player Option)
Year 3 (2020-2021): 5.7 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 4 (2021-2022): 6.15 mil (Early Termination Option; player option)
Year 5 (2022-2023): 6.65 mil (fully guaranteed)
Year 5->6 Summer: Full bird rights in ORL (unrestricted free agent)

It appears that is supposed to be one contract. Assuming that, it is an illegal contract in many many ways. Not even close to doable.

2 It also sounds like someone else's idea is for the Magic to offer him a small contract, with the understanding that in some future year they will make it up to him in the next deal. As an actual proposal and commitment, that is not allowed when the 2nd contract would be considered to be somehow ironclad. And the penalties will KILL your team. See Joe Smith. Yet without an ACTUAL commitment in some way, the agent and player are far more likely to opt for a different team able and willing to commit real money immediately.

3 Also, if you could find a way to do it, paying him a small deal now and a massive deal later on creates huge tax headaches.

4 And doing "whatever it takes" on a contract just to outbid others in a convoluted way, even if that screws over your budget? That runs counter to league-wide rumors that the Magic are hoping to move forward in ways that reduce payroll, not create tax problems too.

5 One other item. Maybe his value isn't nearly as high as you think. He's playing on a going-nowhere team and SOMEONE has to get the stats. It may take a lot more to create a bidding war over him. And it takes a LOT to change perceptions on player value. A year ago Mavs fans were alarmed over the idea of a bidding war for Yogi Ferrell - and then when the time arrived for doing a deal, it didn't even come close to happening.

6 OBSERVATION/semi-prediction (based on the cap limits in play):
IMO the only real wiggle room for ORL comes down to what he's worth. We have to assume that at whatever level ORL feels he is worth over the next 3-4 years, then other teams will be able to observe the same pluses and minuses in his game as ORL can and evaluate to that same value ...except, if the number is bigger, the other team can go ahead and commit now, while ORL cannot. So if he's not really worth much, ORL can easily be in the mix because their limit won't get in the way. OTOH if he shows he's worth a lot more, someone else will pay him...and as most teams will have a $9Mish MLE, then if he's worth $9M, ORL counter-offers won't even come close.
COMPARISON: 4 year MLE - $37M max guaranteed money possible, and as a counter ORL can only offer $23M max. It's not close.
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Post#20 » by pepe1991 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:38 am

There is also strong chance that somebody offers him 1 year $10M contract ( or,like Bogdanovic, 2 years $22M second being team option) just as stopgap and place holder for a team looking to add more talent.

There is also chance that he stays for 1+1 year with Orlando with player option and bets on himself , in that case he would probably ask for guaranteed rotation spot , and not playing behind Ross, Simmons or whoever at wing.
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