Orlando's two 2nd-round picks

[drsd]

We have had useful discussions on the Magic's top pick and also a lively interaction on trading for a second 1st-round pick.

We must not forget that WeHamm specifically targeted the second round in the Payton trade, and now, two likely serviceable selections in the top third of the second round will be made.

Conceptually I am concerned about the Magic carrying 3 rookies on a team that is already very young. (And trade scenarios could have the Magic carrying 4 rookies).

I see four outcomes from the 2nd-round selections: Select BPA at both slots (thought line: the NBA is a about maximising talent); select need positional play at one or both slots (thought line: a team must have a balanced bench); trade one or both picks AND/OR sell one or both picks (thought line: Orlando cannot carry so many rookie so a pick must be dumped).

Personally I favor Orlando keeping both picks; WeHamm projected as much. The directions for me are to go with seasoned college players at both selections. Where depth is targeted over BPA. A recent post by another has me fascinated by Jevon Carter, and I really like Chimezie Metu for the other selection.

Of course the Magic must keep an eye on one-and-done players that slides, examples: Trevon Duval, Brandon McCoy, or Omari Spellman.

[zaymon]

I think there is strong possibility we attach one of the picks to a player we want to trade.

[nymets1]

We better keep both 2nd round picks and take BPA. Let's not do what we did last year in the 2nd round.

[tiderulz]

We have had useful discussions on the Magic's top pick and also a lively interaction on trading for a second 1st-round pick.

We must not forget that WeHamm specifically targeted the second round in the Payton trade, and now, two likely serviceable selections in the top third of the second round will be made.

Conceptually I am concerned about the Magic carrying 3 rookies on a team that is already very young. (And trade scenarios could have the Magic carrying 4 rookies).

I see four outcomes from the 2nd-round selections: Select BPA at both slots (thought line: the NBA is a about maximising talent); select need positional play at one or both slots (thought line: a team must have a balanced bench); trade one or both picks AND/OR sell one or both picks (thought line: Orlando cannot carry so many rookie so a pick must be dumped).

Personally I favor Orlando keeping both picks; WeHamm projected as much. The directions for me are to go with seasoned college players at both selections. Where depth is targeted over BPA. A recent post by another has me fascinated by Jevon Carter, and I really like Chimezie Metu for the other selection.

Of course the Magic must keep an eye on one-and-done players that slides, examples: Trevon Duval, Brandon McCoy, or Omari Spellman.

you are assuming the 2nd round picks make the team. That is not generally the case with 2nd round picks. so imo, you take the BPA and see what they can develop into, either here or in the G-league or whatever its called now

[drsd]

you are assuming the 2nd round picks make the team. That is not generally the case with 2nd round picks. so imo, you take the BPA and see what they can develop into, either here or in the G-league or whatever its called now

The vast, vast majority of players 31-36 find NBA time at some point. Indeed half of the players in the below list are now critical bench players. Even the Justin Harper's of the below got their looks. The high 2nd round selection is a probable 8-12 man on an NBA roster, in time. And the potential future HoF Draymond Green is in this list, for what it is worth.

Examples looking from 2017 down:
2017:
Josh Hart
Frank Jackson - no NBA minutes as of yet
Davon Reed
Wes Iwundu
Frank Mason III
Ivan Rabb
Jonah Bolden - no NBA minutes as of yet

2016:
Deyonta Davis
Ivica Zubac
Cheick Diallo
Tyler Ulis
Rade Zagorac - no NBA minutes as of yet
Malcolm Brogdon

2015:
Cedi Osman
Montrezl Harrell
Jordan Mickey
Anthony Brown
Willy Hernangómez
Rakeem Christmas

2014:
Damien Inglis
K. J. McDaniels
Joe Harris
Cleanthony Early
Jarnell Stokes
Johnny O'Bryant III

2013:
Allen Crabbe
Álex Abrines
Carrick Felix
Isaiah Canaan
Glen Rice Jr.
Ray McCallum Jr.

2012:
Jeffery Taylor
Tomáš Satoranský
Bernard James
Jae Crowder
Draymond Green
Orlando Johnson

2011:
Bojan Bogdanović
Justin Harper
Kyle Singler
Shelvin Mack
Tyler Honeycutt
Jordan Williams

[fendilim]

I'll trade them to move up.

[PennytoShaq]

Yeah, I want to trade them both with Vuc and try to move up into the teens or early 20s.

[Furinkazan]

select 2 bpas or use with a player to trade up
I dont want to hear another draft flattening out bullsht

[IllMagic04]

The draft is gonna flatten out

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

Use them to package with a player or take BPA with emphasis on shooters. Grayson Allen, Wagner, Bonga maybe?

[tiderulz]

you are assuming the 2nd round picks make the team. That is not generally the case with 2nd round picks. so imo, you take the BPA and see what they can develop into, either here or in the G-league or whatever its called now

The vast, vast majority of players 31-36 find NBA time at some point. Indeed half of the players in the below list are now critical bench players. Even the Justin Harper's of the below got their looks. The high 2nd round selection is a probable 8-12 man on an NBA roster, in time. And the potential future HoF Draymond Green is in this list, for what it is worth.

Examples looking from 2017 down:
2017:
Josh Hart
Frank Jackson - no NBA minutes as of yet
Davon Reed
Wes Iwundu
Frank Mason III
Ivan Rabb
Jonah Bolden - no NBA minutes as of yet

2016:
Deyonta Davis
Ivica Zubac
Cheick Diallo
Tyler Ulis
Rade Zagorac - no NBA minutes as of yet
Malcolm Brogdon

2015:
Cedi Osman
Montrezl Harrell
Jordan Mickey
Anthony Brown
Willy Hernangómez
Rakeem Christmas

2014:
Damien Inglis
K. J. McDaniels
Joe Harris
Cleanthony Early
Jarnell Stokes
Johnny O'Bryant III

2013:
Allen Crabbe
Álex Abrines
Carrick Felix
Isaiah Canaan
Glen Rice Jr.
Ray McCallum Jr.

2012:
Jeffery Taylor
Tomáš Satoranský
Bernard James
Jae Crowder
Draymond Green
Orlando Johnson

2011:
Bojan Bogdanović
Justin Harper
Kyle Singler
Shelvin Mack
Tyler Honeycutt
Jordan Williams

but you said Orlando carrying 3 rookies. even if #35 makes it, odds are very long for #41 and that would just mean 2 rookies.

[Howard Mass]

The Magic definitely will not bring 2 second round picks to camp.

Other than that, the options are endless.

[BadMofoPimp]

The Magic definitely will not bring 2 second round picks to camp.

Other than that, the options are endless.

In keeping with Magic tradition, they will trade the better of the 2 for a future 2nd rounder top 50 protected, of course!

[drsd]

but you said Orlando carrying 3 rookies. even if #35 makes it, odds are very long for #41 and that would just mean 2 rookies.

The last #41 draft selections:
2017- Tyler Dorsey (made the team and had a good season)
2016- Stephen Zimmerman (no comment)
2015- Pat Connaughton (made the team and is a serviceable rotation player)
2014- Nikola Jokić (near all star player, was all-rookie)
2013- Jamaal Franklin (had a 24-game NBA career)
2012- Tyshawn Taylor (had a 61-game NBA career)
2011- Darius Morris (had a 132-game NBA career; some good rotational years)
2010- Jarvis Varnado (had a 37-game NBA career)
2009- Jodie Meeks (at career twilight already 500+ games in)
2008- Nathan Jawai (had a 45-game NBA career)


So looks to be 50/50 to find a serviceable NBA player at #41. And every player selected had NBA minutes.


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[drsd]

The Magic definitely will not bring 2 second round picks to camp.

Other than that, the options are endless.

Last year the Magic had three 2nd-round talent levels on their rookie core: Iwundu, Birch, and Artis. All three logged minutes and two became serviceable rotation players.

If the Magic is allowed to sign another two-way player next year *, I would see one of the 2nds ending up at Lakeland. Jamel Artis' NBA career could be at its end, freeing up such a two-way slot.


* = LINK on two-way qualifying offers

Seems like the Magic could keep Artis in camp and try out the 2nd's competing for the two-way slot.


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[tiderulz]

The Magic definitely will not bring 2 second round picks to camp.

Other than that, the options are endless.

would like your reasoning behind that. or is this coming from a source you have with Orlando. Why cant a team bring in two 2nd round picks to camp? at worse, they dont make it past camp. At best, they astound everyone at camp. In the middle, they do enough to garner a G-league deal to be watched for further development.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

The Magic definitely will not bring 2 second round picks to camp.

Other than that, the options are endless.

would like your reasoning behind that. or is this coming from a source you have with Orlando. Why cant a team bring in two 2nd round picks to camp? at worse, they dont make it past camp. At best, they astound everyone at camp. In the middle, they do enough to garner a G-league deal to be watched for further development.

Afflalo, Hezonja, Mack, and Speights should be gone. If we don't package one of the 2nd with Vuc there's no reason to not take a flyer on a guy with those picks which are early 2nd rounders. Looking at some Mocks there's guys like Allen, Wagner, Milton, Duval, Graham,Okogie, Evans and plenty of other names I'd take and let them have a 2 way. Especially if we don't take Trae then why not grab a PG with 35 or 41.

With a team that lacks talent continuing to kick solid 2nd round picks down the street seems like the wrong choice.

[rcklsscognition]

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[magicman112]

Second round picks it was reported around the deadline are what a lot of teams were looking for. I think at least one of them will be traded and they'll keep one. It always cracks me up on draft night how people will get all bent out of shape if the team doesn't take some guy in the 2nd round and after a few weeks no one even remembers their name lol.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

https://deanondraft.com/2018/03/22/who-is-the-best-3-d-wing-in-the-draft/

Done a lot more research on Okogie and I want want want him BIG TIME... dude was on a terrible GT team but kid can ball. I expect him to creep into mid/late 1st round once combine is over and workouts start.

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