Sign and Trade AG?

[T-Cat]

Would anyone sign and trade AG to the Hornets for Dwight Howard and their 2018 lottery pick when free agency opens?

This trade could done just like Kevin Love for Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and etc.

I think Mitch Kupchack and the Hornets get a guy in Aaron Gordon who they could build around. Not necessarily a franchise player, but someone who can help bring more fans to the arena with his athleticism and hype!

For Orlando, we get Dwight Howard who played motivated basketball last season and could even play better in Orlando to prove the doubters wrong!

I'm sure everyone knows he wanted to sign with the Magic a few years ago but Hennigan had other plans!

The biggest potential chip in this trade is the lottery pick from the Hornets, which would probably be #12!

Anfernee Simmons or Hamidou Diallo could really improve their draft stocks in workouts!

Obviously that draft pick would have to be unsigned for this trade to work!

[j-ragg]

Is this for real?

So AG for Dwight Howard and a chance to draft Hamidou Diallo?

We would deserve another 6 years of torture.

[rcklsscognition]

I think it depends on the draft. If we get our guy and we know AG is just gonna be a 3rd option ala Wiggins, we could be stuck holding the bag. Problem is we're stuffed flush with centers and we should be making way for Birch to get some key minutes next season and see if he's worth a real investment in the 2019-2020 season.

Since the beginning, I've accepted that if we don't keep AG it will be because of personality, IQ, and off the court stuff (agents, business, etc). Perhaps they know that he'll get a max. I will accept whatever Welham decides after having a year to observe everything about AG. If they decide to cut and run, I'm down with this trade, or something similar. I'd want something around a #15 pick or so and a younger player.

Derek James: Whoa. @DWolfsonKSTP just said on @1500ESPN that Wiggins has “whispered to teammates” that he’s unhappy being a third option behind Butler and Towns.

Put AG in there, anyone think it would be outlandish for AG to have similar feelings? Not saying he does, but it's certainly within the realm of possibilities. Maybe Welham see this and know it's going to be a constant source of frustration, ala Dwight Howard. Knowing you were going to have to feed the guy 30% of your shots or else he was going to be sulking and disruptive.

Finally, remember this is a player's league. If AG and his agent come to Welham and tell them they want the MAX from us or they're leaving, they have the control. GMs accomodate to the best of their abilities a player's demands.

[IM7]

Not knocking your OP, but I don't understand the nostalgia with this fan base, first Stan van Gundy and now Dwight. If it's like this with athletes of our team(s) I can't imagine how some of you are when you break up with a girlfriend.

[j-ragg]

Derek James: Whoa. @DWolfsonKSTP just said on @1500ESPN that Wiggins has “whispered to teammates” that he’s unhappy being a third option behind Butler and Towns.

Put AG in there, anyone think it would be outlandish for AG to have similar feelings? Not saying he does, but it's certainly within the realm of possibilities. Maybe Welham see this and know it's going to be a constant source of frustration, ala Dwight Howard. Knowing you were going to have to feed the guy 30% of your shots or else he was going to be sulking and disruptive.

Finally, remember this is a player's league. If AG and his agent come to Welham and tell them they want the MAX from us or they're leaving, they have the control. GMs accomodate to the best of their abilities a player's demands.

I feel like that's based on a pretty unlikely hypothetical situation. He's never even hinted at being unhappy, he seems to actually like Orlando. He's already been in that situation and hasn't voiced any displeasure except instead of having to wait for shots behind two all-stars he's had to wait behind Fournier and Vuc.

[basketballRob]

I was thinking about the same kind of trade. Maybe also involving Batum and Vuc.

[j-ragg]

I was thinking about the same kind of trade. Maybe also involving Batum and Vuc.

Is it April 1st? People want this type of trade? Our only guy that has decent potential outside of Isaac for a late lottery pick and Dwight freaking Howard. And to top it off an expiring Vuc for one of the worst contracts in basketball in Batum. I need to log off and take my mother out for a nice lunch.

[drsd]

Would anyone sign and trade AG to the Hornets for Dwight Howard and their 2018 lottery pick when free agency opens?

If the Magic are not sold on Gordon, I love this trade. Howard is effectively an expiring deal. And he did once play PF, so I guess he could slot there for a rebuild year. For Orlando, this is about selecting Bamba at #6 and Gilgeous-Alexander at #11. If the Magic resigns Hezonja, drafts Chimezie Metu and a draft-N-stash (Goga Bitadze), then the unbalanced roster is set.

Next year Orlando is an unbalanced:
Augustin/Gilgeous-Alexander/Mack
Fournier/Ross/Iwundu
Isaac/Simmons
Howard/Hezonja/Birch/Metu
Vučević//Bamba/Biyombo

But I love this roster for a 2020/21 playoff run. The start is something like:
Gilgeous-Alexander
Fournier/Iwundu
Isaac/Simmons
Hezonja/Metu
Bamba/Birch

And a bunch of cap space.

[tiderulz]

[Furinkazan]

lol yeah lets trade Fournier for Anderson and sign Nelson as starter LMAO

[T-Cat]

I was thinking about the same kind of trade. Maybe also involving Batum and Vuc.

Is it April 1st? People want this type of trade? Our only guy that has decent potential outside of Isaac for a late lottery pick and Dwight freaking Howard. And to top it off an expiring Vuc for one of the worst contracts in basketball in Batum. I need to log off and take my mother out for a nice lunch.

The key is to get value for AG especially if the team doesn't value him as a max player!

Why do you think Weltman/Hammond were gauging trade interest for Mr. Gordon before the trade deadline?

Again Orlando traded EP to Phoenix for a second rounder!

Gordon had this previous season to prove his worth and he did, just not a max player for this franchise!

[j-ragg]

I was thinking about the same kind of trade. Maybe also involving Batum and Vuc.

Is it April 1st? People want this type of trade? Our only guy that has decent potential outside of Isaac for a late lottery pick and Dwight freaking Howard. And to top it off an expiring Vuc for one of the worst contracts in basketball in Batum. I need to log off and take my mother out for a nice lunch.

The key is to get value for AG especially if the team doesn't value him as a max player!

Why do you think Weltman/Hammond were gauging trade interest for Mr. Gordon before the trade deadline?

Again Orlando traded EP to Phoenix for a second rounder!

Gordon had this previous season to prove his worth and he did, just not a max player for this franchise!

I get your thought premise, I'm not mad at ya for trying to get some value out of an asset. I just think if they were going to deal him we would've done it at the deadline. You barely ever got good value out of a S&T.

Plus, everyone is running with the notion AG is going to get the max, I don't see it. Despite his weird kind of childish exit interview. I don't think they wanted to re-sign EP to any type of terms, I think they'd actually like to retain AG.

[T-Cat]

Not knocking your OP, but I don't understand the nostalgia with this fan base, first Stan van Gundy and now Dwight. If it's like this with athletes of our team(s) I can't imagine how some of you are when you break up with a girlfriend.

It's all about success they can bring to this team and it helps Dwight can still provide at a high level at a potential bargain price after the 2018-19 season!

The bigger question how can you not go back to your girlfriend especially when you two had success together vs starting over with someone new and not getting that same success you once had?

[The Effect]

I think people are overestimating what you get back in sign and trade deals. We MIGHT be able to get dwight back, but thats only if charlotte is trying to get rid of his contract, adding in anything else is a pipe dream, especially a lotto pick.

S&T deals arent done to help the team losing the player, they are done to help the player get more money or help a team get a player when they have cap restrictions. Also, they are very rare, for multiple reasons. (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/05/why-nba-sign-and-trades-are-rare.html)

Think about what we got for Ryan Anderson. He was 23, coming off a 16/8 season and was one of the best shooting big men in the nba, and we S&T him for............Gustavo Ayon.
Also look at the return we got for Kyle O Quinn......we received the right to SWAP 2nd rounders with the knicks 4 years later (signed in 2015, we get that right next year)

So for anyone expecting us to sign and trade AG for anything, let alone something good, be prepared to be very, very disappointed

[Driguez]

Sign and trade AG for...... Dwight Howard? Eeehhh

[OrlandO]

I was thinking about the same kind of trade. Maybe also involving Batum and Vuc.

Is it April 1st? People want this type of trade? Our only guy that has decent potential outside of Isaac for a late lottery pick and Dwight freaking Howard. And to top it off an expiring Vuc for one of the worst contracts in basketball in Batum. I need to log off and take my mother out for a nice lunch.

The key is to get value for AG especially if the team doesn't value him as a max player!

Why do you think Weltman/Hammond were gauging trade interest for Mr. Gordon before the trade deadline?

Again Orlando traded EP to Phoenix for a second rounder!

Gordon had this previous season to prove his worth and he did, just not a max player for this franchise!

Nobody is paying Gordon the max after he played way below average as a first/second option in 2018.

[The Effect]

BTW i love how people are acting like dwight is a bum and a waste of a roster spot as if he didnt just come off a 16.6/12.5/1.6B season and have the 4th most double doubles in the league. I get the hatred people have for him after what he did, but hes still a very good player and would be an instant upgrade on this team from vuc

Is he 08-11 dwight? no clearly not, but he would probably be the best player on this team and lead this team further than AG and vuc ever did (not saying but, but still)

[KillMonger]

BTW i love how people are acting like dwight is a bum and a waste of a roster spot as if he didnt just come off a 16.6/12.5/1.6B season and have the 4th most double doubles in the league. I get the hatred people have for him after what he did, but hes still a very good player and would be an instant upgrade on this team from vuc

Is he 08-11 dwight? no clearly not, but he would probably be the best player on this team and lead this team further than AG and vuc ever did (not saying but, but still)

half of me agrees with everything you just said, the other half is saying that Dwight is a player that the league is moving away from. Still a good player but in todays NBA you got to have some range at his position, i mean a few years ago teams would kill to have players like Dwight, Drummond, Whiteside but it's crazy how fast the game has changed.......I mean a FULLY HEALTHY Whiteside couldn't get playing time in that Miami Series.

[Max Power]

I’m all for trading Gordon. Paying him a max contract when he’s never won, can’t lead and is a secondary pillar kind of player is just stupid. Trading him for Dwight, no dice.

I do get the original point though, Dwight played very well last year. Averaging 17 and 13. That’s good play, but he’s not the Dwight that affects all aspects of the game anymore, that trickle down to the rest of the team just isn’t there anymore. I don’t think the Magic need to bring him back. I am sold on selling Gordon or letting him walk though.


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[T-Cat]

BTW i love how people are acting like dwight is a bum and a waste of a roster spot as if he didnt just come off a 16.6/12.5/1.6B season and have the 4th most double doubles in the league. I get the hatred people have for him after what he did, but hes still a very good player and would be an instant upgrade on this team from vuc

Is he 08-11 dwight? no clearly not, but he would probably be the best player on this team and lead this team further than AG and vuc ever did (not saying but, but still)

half of me agrees with everything you just said, the other half is saying that Dwight is a player that the league is moving away from. Still a good player but in todays NBA you got to have some range at his position, i mean a few years ago teams would kill to have players like Dwight, Drummond, Whiteside but it's crazy how fast the game has changed.......I mean a FULLY HEALTHY Whiteside couldn't get playing time in that Miami Series.

Depending how Whiteside is used! He played with no heart that series!

Clint Capella is a similar player and look at how well he's playing!