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Re: Draft Thread 5.0: Needing a Pat Williams Miracle 

Post#601 » by Nyce_1 » Wed May 16, 2018 3:56 pm

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7’10”

Wow

1 pick away....again. this **** ****. :banghead:
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Post#602 » by yoyojw17 » Wed May 16, 2018 3:58 pm

Young Thunder wrote:
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7’10”

Wow

I stated this exact measurement in another post.... watch his measurement blow peoples minds today in the combine and immediately gain steam.

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swarlesbarkley wrote:I feel like Young and Porter Jr may rise throughout the draft process. Moreso Young but Porter Jr could prove he's 100% healthy and move up. That being said, I want either of those guys at #6 because they have the best chance of becoming superstars based on the info we have. I'd also want these guys if we were picking #1 (maybe Doncic).

Trade back into the first round and snag a developmental athletic freak to appease WeHam.

Other than Phoenix.... none of the teams above us truly need a new point guard..... so unless he goes number 1..... phoenix trades down..... we are the first likely spot. Porter on the other hand could fit in at Atl, Memphis, Sac and dallas. so..... we shall see. Gonna be an interesting night.

With the combine starting tomorrow there is so much that can change things.i e bamba measures in at 7' 230 lb with a 7-10" wingspan to start the day off. haha
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Re: Draft Thread 5.0: Needing a Pat Williams Miracle 

Post#603 » by OrlChamps2030 » Wed May 16, 2018 4:00 pm

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rcklsscognition wrote:Pre-Combine Picks:

6. Trae Young
35. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
41. Brandon McCoy or Caleb Martin depending on what we do with our centers.


NBAdraft has Orlando selecting Trae Young, 35-Grayson Allen, and 41-Chimezie Metu. That is a nicely rounded draft.

Orlando starts as:
Augustin/Young/Caupain
Fournier/Ross/Iwundu/Allen
Isaac/SImmons
Gordon/Metu
Vučević/Biyombo/Birch

Clearly either Ross or Simmons would need to be traded, probably as an outright dumping of Ross' contract (say for a future 2nd). And if Hezonja is serious about resigning, Orlando is:
Augustin/Young/Caupain
Fournier/Iwundu/Allen
Isaac/SImmons
Gordon/Hezonja/Metu
Vučević/Biyombo/Birch

Not only do I like the future from 2019/20 of Young/Fournier/Issac/Gordon/Vučević, I also like where the bench is leading to in Caupain/Allen/SImmons/Hezonja/Birch

..


The only catch here is that if Orlando wants to resign Mario for less than he can get on the open market, he'll want a promise to start. He won't be coming off the bench if he resigns. Would you leave money on the table to come back to a team and come off the bench?

This “promise to start” thing seems delusional. No way Mario gives up a payday for a “promise to start” by a team that has seemingly jerked him around anyways. Besides who does he start over between Fournier, Isaac, AG? Possibly MPJ or Simmons too. What if he has another down year? Does he still get to start? Does coach ageee with this promise to start? Just seems like hopeful delusion and a promise that logistically can’t be delivered upon
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Post#604 » by Shady Franchise » Wed May 16, 2018 4:05 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
Shady Franchise wrote:
drsd wrote:
NBAdraft has Orlando selecting Trae Young, 35-Grayson Allen, and 41-Chimezie Metu. That is a nicely rounded draft.

Orlando starts as:
Augustin/Young/Caupain
Fournier/Ross/Iwundu/Allen
Isaac/SImmons
Gordon/Metu
Vučević/Biyombo/Birch

Clearly either Ross or Simmons would need to be traded, probably as an outright dumping of Ross' contract (say for a future 2nd). And if Hezonja is serious about resigning, Orlando is:
Augustin/Young/Caupain
Fournier/Iwundu/Allen
Isaac/SImmons
Gordon/Hezonja/Metu
Vučević/Biyombo/Birch

Not only do I like the future from 2019/20 of Young/Fournier/Issac/Gordon/Vučević, I also like where the bench is leading to in Caupain/Allen/SImmons/Hezonja/Birch

..


The only catch here is that if Orlando wants to resign Mario for less than he can get on the open market, he'll want a promise to start. He won't be coming off the bench if he resigns. Would you leave money on the table to come back to a team and come off the bench?

This “promise to start” thing seems delusional. No way Mario gives up a payday for a “promise to start” by a team that has seemingly jerked him around anyways. Besides who does he start over between Fournier, Isaac, AG? Possibly MPJ or Simmons too. What if he has another down year? Does he still get to start? Does coach ageee with this promise to start? Just seems like hopeful delusion and a promise that logistically can’t be delivered upon


Exactly! It's delusional to think he'll return to the team after the organization DECLINED his option. That doesn't show much faith in Mario, so why would he return to the Magic for less than he can get somewhere else? If he does resign I'll be ecstatic because I'm not sure why he would resign unless he LOVES Orlando and the team that much.
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Re: Draft Thread 5.0: Needing a Pat Williams Miracle 

Post#605 » by magicfan4life88 » Wed May 16, 2018 4:19 pm

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Young Thunder wrote:
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7’10”

Wow

1 pick away....again. this **** ****. :banghead:


because this long wingspan suddenly make us a contender?
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Post#606 » by Blue_and_Whte » Wed May 16, 2018 4:20 pm

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:It’s frustrating to see all these teams getting a top 3 pick while we sit and remain a festering cesspool of mediocrity. The Suns, Kings, and Hawks just accelerated passed us in the rebuild process. We’re officially a treadmill team. We need to blow it up

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Post#607 » by PennytoShaq » Wed May 16, 2018 4:26 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
Young Thunder wrote:
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7’10”

Wow

1 pick away....again. this **** ****. :banghead:


Are you serious? lol. I don't think one person here was upset that we may not get Bamba last night. I mean, c'mon.
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Post#608 » by MagicFan101 » Wed May 16, 2018 4:37 pm

PennytoShaq wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
Young Thunder wrote:
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7’10”

Wow

1 pick away....again. this **** ****. :banghead:


Are you serious? lol. I don't think one person here was upset that we may not get Bamba last night. I mean, c'mon.


Doncic is really the only player I am upset about NOT getting.

Doncic, Ayton, Bagley, JJ, Bamba, Young or MPjr.

Give me one of those 7 and I’m somewhere between intrigued and thrilled.

Just say no to Bridges and Carter!
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Post#609 » by npiper17 » Wed May 16, 2018 4:41 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:1 pick away....again. this **** ****. :banghead:


Are you serious? lol. I don't think one person here was upset that we may not get Bamba last night. I mean, c'mon.


Doncic is really the only player I am upset about NOT getting.

Doncic, Ayton, Bagley, JJ, Bamba, Young or MPjr.

Give me one of those 7 and I’m somewhere between intrigued and thrilled.

Just say no to Bridges and Carter!


Pretty much agree with you although I like Bridges but not at 6.
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Post#610 » by Nemesis21 » Wed May 16, 2018 4:42 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:1 pick away....again. this **** ****. :banghead:


Are you serious? lol. I don't think one person here was upset that we may not get Bamba last night. I mean, c'mon.


Doncic is really the only player I am upset about NOT getting.

Doncic, Ayton, Bagley, JJ, Bamba, Young or MPjr.

Give me one of those 7 and I’m somewhere between intrigued and thrilled.

Just say no to Bridges and Carter!



For me it's just say no to Bamba and JJJ.

Doncic is who I wanted.

I'm good with Young, MPj or Mikal

Please no to Bamba & JJJ

I like Bagley over Ayton, Bamba and JJJ

I would take Carter Jr over Bamba and JJJ
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Post#611 » by PennytoShaq » Wed May 16, 2018 4:49 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:
Are you serious? lol. I don't think one person here was upset that we may not get Bamba last night. I mean, c'mon.


Doncic is really the only player I am upset about NOT getting.

Doncic, Ayton, Bagley, JJ, Bamba, Young or MPjr.

Give me one of those 7 and I’m somewhere between intrigued and thrilled.

Just say no to Bridges and Carter!



For me it's just say no to Bamba and JJJ.

Doncic is who I wanted.

I'm good with Young, MPj or Mikal

Please no to Bamba & JJJ

I like Bagley over Ayton, Bamba and JJJ

I would take Carter Jr over Bamba and JJJ


Disagree on passing on JJj at 6 or Bamba/Carter over him, but agree on every other thing. I doubt we will have to worry about JJj falling to 6 anyway, so that's probably not a problem.

I really hope it's MPj, Bridges or Young.
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Post#612 » by MagicFan101 » Wed May 16, 2018 4:50 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:
Are you serious? lol. I don't think one person here was upset that we may not get Bamba last night. I mean, c'mon.


Doncic is really the only player I am upset about NOT getting.

Doncic, Ayton, Bagley, JJ, Bamba, Young or MPjr.

Give me one of those 7 and I’m somewhere between intrigued and thrilled.

Just say no to Bridges and Carter!



For me it's just say no to Bamba and JJJ.

Doncic is who I wanted.

I'm good with Young, MPj or Mikal

Please no to Bamba & JJJ

I like Bagley over Ayton, Bamba and JJJ

I would take Carter Jr over Bamba and JJJ


Carter and Bridges are the same story at different positions for me.

You are going to get a good player with each of them. But that is all you get. Nothing more.

With JJ, Bamba or others you very well could get a bust who turns out worse than Carter or Bridges. But you also have the undeniable potential for something far greater. That doesn’t exist with Carter and Bridges.

How many slow, heavy footed big men have been stars? Carter is limited.

How many 3D guards with no ability to create for himself have been Stars? Bridges is very limited.

I expect Bridges to fall to a team like Philly and do great for them... assisting their stars. But we still need a star.
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Post#613 » by Nemesis21 » Wed May 16, 2018 5:04 pm

Fair enough Magic101 and PennytoShaq.

To me, Bamba and JJJ are the most project players in this draft.

To me Bagley and Ayton are the two best bigs.

And I value Carter over Bamba and JJJ, because I think he is more ready now, than they are.


Doncic, Young, MPJ, and Mikal are the best PGs and wings IMO.

And to be honest, I don't want any of the bigs. I believe we need a PG or wing. As I believe Isaac will eventually end up at the 5, not the 3.

Those are my opinions though and yes yours may differ.
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Post#614 » by MagicMatic » Wed May 16, 2018 5:11 pm

Unless Mikal stuns everyone in workouts and someone falls far, he won’t be taken at 6.

Orlando’s choices will be between Young, Porter, and JJJ based on who Memphis selects. Bank on it.
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Post#615 » by MagicFan101 » Wed May 16, 2018 5:20 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Unless Mikal stuns everyone in workouts and someone falls far, he won’t be taken at 6.

Orlando’s choices will be between Young, Porter, and JJJ based on who Memphis selects. Bank on it.


Sounds good to me!
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Post#616 » by thelead » Wed May 16, 2018 5:21 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:Fair enough Magic101 and PennytoShaq.

To me, Bamba and JJJ are the most project players in this draft.

To me Bagley and Ayton are the two best bigs.

And I value Carter over Bamba and JJJ, because I think he is more ready now, than they are.


Doncic, Young, MPJ, and Mikal are the best PGs and wings IMO.

And to be honest, I don't want any of the bigs. I believe we need a PG or wing. As I believe Isaac will eventually end up at the 5, not the 3.

Those are my opinions though and yes yours may differ.

I like almost nothing about Carter. Who would you compare him too? I fail to see any good comparables that makes him a top 6 type of pick. At least with JJj, who I’m not a fan of, I see the length and speed.
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Post#617 » by Nemesis21 » Wed May 16, 2018 5:24 pm

thelead wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:Fair enough Magic101 and PennytoShaq.

To me, Bamba and JJJ are the most project players in this draft.

To me Bagley and Ayton are the two best bigs.

And I value Carter over Bamba and JJJ, because I think he is more ready now, than they are.


Doncic, Young, MPJ, and Mikal are the best PGs and wings IMO.

And to be honest, I don't want any of the bigs. I believe we need a PG or wing. As I believe Isaac will eventually end up at the 5, not the 3.

Those are my opinions though and yes yours may differ.

I like almost nothing about Carter. Who would you compare him too? I fail to see any good comparables that makes him a top 6 type of pick. At least with JJj, who I’m not a fan of, I see the length and speed.



I don't want him at 6. I think he is a top 10 pick. I was just stating that I think he is more ready now than Bamba and JJJ.


Compare him to Horford/Monroe.
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Post#618 » by zaymon » Wed May 16, 2018 7:31 pm

Carter is not that slow footed. He has some ability to attack of the dribble. Add shooting, passing and iq and i am not sure why he cant go 6. He is fairly long too with 7'3 wingspan
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Post#619 » by Blue_and_Whte » Wed May 16, 2018 7:37 pm

zaymon wrote:Carter is not that slow footed. He has some ability to attack of the dribble. Add shooting, passing and iq and i am not sure why he cant go 6. He is fairly long too with 7'3 wingspan

He’s much more mobile than Monroe and he has some range. Not to shabby of a shot blocker either. I don’t know where the Monroe comps came from.


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Post#620 » by magicfan4life88 » Wed May 16, 2018 8:26 pm

I think the Bridges fellas will be the Kuzma and Mitchell of this years draft except they will go earlier, though I see Mikal having a Jason Tatum type impact
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