Gordon or Porter Jr?

[magic111]

Guys, who would you rather have? I feel like we will not get a workout with MPJ cuz his agent is gonna throw the fit card at us. So if management thinks he is better then AG and. AN cet him in for a workout do u take MPJ and let AG walk? Or do U pay AG 80-90 million when we r still early in a rebuild or get a guy who is prolly better in MPJ and save that $$$$?

I truly believe MPJ is better and will be the better pro than AG.

[tiderulz]

Not a believer in MPJ, so i easily take Gordon.

[KillMonger]

I'll take both and worry about fit later. Don't need a workout to select him, we didn't get a workout from issac and yet we still picked him. If he's there and the FO deems him the best talent then why not pick him? Would rather keep AG and invest in him, letting him walk for nothing is not an option under any circumstances.

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[drsd]

I'll take both and worry about fit later. Don't need a workout to select him, we didn't get a workout from issac and yet we still picked him. If he's there and the FO deems him the best talent then why not pick him? Would rather keep AG and invest in him, letting him walk for nothing is not an option under any circumstances.

Gordon is a clear starting caliber player. We fans cannot know what will come of either Isaac or Porter. SO yes I agree that the Magic drafts BPA and figures the details out later. PBO Weltman stated as much in his lottery interview.

What is more interesting is whether the three can co-exist. Without the asking, "can Porter play SG," I think the real question is can any of these three forwards can defensively guard SGs. Statistically Gordon is an excellent perimeter defender. There are loads of clips of him on the wing guarding the league's best scorers. So the SG slot is sttled. As for SF and PF, I guess Orlando would have Porter on the SF and Isaac on the SF.

On offense Isaac would play post, Gordon would slash, and Porter would be a corner 3-ball shooter. Offensively a clear game plan can be made for these three.


I do think the Magic would test in the preseason a roster of three forwards with a true PG and a C.
(As an aside: all of this essentially forces Orlando to trade Fournier).

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[drsd]

Or do U pay AG 80-90 million when we r still early in a rebuild or get a guy who is prolly better in MPJ and save that $$$$?

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

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[pepe1991]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/2/5/16972634/trouble-nba-max-contracts

great article from Ringer ( easly one of most underrated nba related pages )

The Effect on the Trade Deadline
The growing concern over max deals has created a ripple effect heading into the trade deadline. Execs and agents I spoke to believe it explains the rise in trade chatter involving stars. Teams are more regularly gauging the value of their own centerpieces, and other teams are making more calls knowing they’ll listen. It’s why we’re hearing reports about Aaron Gordon and Kemba Walker being available.

They likely won’t get traded, but teams are being proactive about finding out their trade value in case the franchise decides to shuffle the deck, knowing the imminent financial risk. Walker can earn a hefty pay raise when he becomes a free agent in 2019, while Gordon could sign a max offer sheet this summer in restricted free agency. Both players are talented, but trading them would provide flexibility at a time when few teams are expected to have cap space.

Teams that have made similar moves lately haven’t exactly crumbled as a result. The Kings are still bad, but they hadn’t made the playoffs with Cousins anyway; at least now they have young talent and a potentially higher draft pick for their trouble. The Pacers ended up landing Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis, who have helped keep the team competitive and arguably better positioned for the future. Jimmy Butler is thriving with the Timberwolves, yet the Bulls suddenly are on the rise rather than simply running on the treadmill of mediocrity.

Could Orlando do the same? The Magic haven’t been much of a destination in free agency of late, and just two summers ago settled for paying Bismack Biyombo $72 million. But with clear books and less competition, Orlando’s great weather and no state income taxes might look far more appealing

[paperboymafia]

Or do U pay AG 80-90 million when we r still early in a rebuild or get a guy who is prolly better in MPJ and save that $$$$?

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

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Gordon asked for the max? Holy cow, OK, changes the way I view him just enough to care less if he does have to make way in a trade or whatever.

[zaymon]

I wouldnt draft porter, i would sign Gordon only on a bargain deal. Playing Isaac and Gordon together is a very tempting thing i admit but i wouldnt pay 20+M to check it, especially that for some reason Vogel was very sceptic playing them together( offense mostly). I dont think porter is the answer, his limited handle and passing makes his fit very awkward.

[KillMonger]

Or do U pay AG 80-90 million when we r still early in a rebuild or get a guy who is prolly better in MPJ and save that $$$$?

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

,.

He didn't really ask for anything, he was asked a question, what his ideal was. Now whether he should've said what he said is another question entirely. If it was me I would've said the good Ole "I'll let my agent handle that". Either way he's not getting max, teams are getting tighter with their wallets these days.

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[NBAchamps2017]

Or do U pay AG 80-90 million when we r still early in a rebuild or get a guy who is prolly better in MPJ and save that $$$$?

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

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Gordon asked for the max? Holy cow, OK, changes the way I view him just enough to care less if he does have to make way in a trade or whatever.

Max for a player who can’t carry a team past 35 wins? I rather trade him for a serviceable vet PG whose contract will expire in a year or two. cough ***Teague*** cough.
Minnesota gonna love him!
Rose
Butler
Wiggins
Gordon
Towns
Or another possibility is with Boston for Rozier (I rather give him the max. He has a swagger and winning-mentality)
Irving
Brown
Tatum
Gordon
Horford
Hayward

[Skybox]

Listening to Tim Legler remind the world that Porter was the clear #1 while in HS gives me pause...but watching his highlights...all I see is an oversized (good thing) AAU shooter, grab the rebound, dribble the length of the court, shoot. Never look up, never pass, not a ferocious rebounder or (from what I saw at least) angry finisher at the rim. Maybe that's just the AAU setting? I argue regularly that Trae can adapt and that he played a certain way because the situation and coach dictated. I see a great player in Porter but not necessarily a well-rounded one. I like Gordon/Isaac and I'm confident AG's offers will not be so absurd that we won't re-sign him. I believe in drafting based on need UNLESS a CLEARLY superior player is there. I don't see that here.

[AdamTheGreek]

Or do U pay AG 80-90 million when we r still early in a rebuild or get a guy who is prolly better in MPJ and save that $$$$?

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

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He did not ask for anything. He was asked what's ideal. Ideally is max. There's nothing wrong with that answer.

And my answer is both. If you think Porter Jr. is the best available you take him. And there's no way in hell you let AG walk. I don't care what the price tag is (he's not getting max). He's better than Tobias and Oladipo were at that age AG's ceiling is still higher than both (and Oladipo is about to win MIP, get on an all-defense team, and maybe even sneak into 3rd team all-NBA). And if AG doesn't want to be in Orlando (which there's no indication at all he's said that to anyone) then you set up a sign-and-trade. You don't let him walk.

Right now, whatever we do, you can't factor in Isaac until he proves he can handle the rigors of a full season. And I know he's already got some muscle developing up top, but his problem is leg/ankle strength. If that doesn't improve, we're going to see a repeat of next seaso

[j-ragg]

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

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Gordon asked for the max? Holy cow, OK, changes the way I view him just enough to care less if he does have to make way in a trade or whatever.

Max for a player who can’t carry a team past 35 wins? I rather trade him for a serviceable vet PG whose contract will expire in a year or two. cough ***Teague*** cough.

I wish a long term thinker like you were our actual GM.

[KillMonger]

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

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Gordon asked for the max? Holy cow, OK, changes the way I view him just enough to care less if he does have to make way in a trade or whatever.

Max for a player who can’t carry a team past 35 wins? I rather trade him for a serviceable vet PG whose contract will expire in a year or two. cough ***Teague*** cough.

No Gm in the world would do that

[rcklsscognition]

Easily MPJr. We're an entire AG contract away from competing. This would get us on track to have JI and this year's draft pick lead us. Sucks the previous era screwed so much up but you gotta look at what you've got and the road ahead. I would have traded AG last year.

I just don't think AG brings us anything intangibly that MPJr couldn't after a year for possibly 18 million a year less or more.

OrlandO posted the correct figures, if AG gets paid a similar contract to what Tobias Harris got on the open market, in today's dollars, he's looking at 23 million or so a year roughly. That will roughly be the same as MPJr's entire rookie contract, if not more.

[p0peye]

Or do U pay AG 80-90 million when we r still early in a rebuild or get a guy who is prolly better in MPJ and save that $$$$?

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

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He did not ask for anything. He was asked what's ideal. Ideally is max. There's nothing wrong with that answer.

And my answer is both. If you think Porter Jr. is the best available you take him. And there's no way in hell you let AG walk. I don't care what the price tag is (he's not getting max). He's better than Tobias and Oladipo were at that age AG's ceiling is still higher than both (and Oladipo is about to win MIP, get on an all-defense team, and maybe even sneak into 3rd team all-NBA). And if AG doesn't want to be in Orlando (which there's no indication at all he's said that to anyone) then you set up a sign-and-trade. You don't let him walk.

Right now, whatever we do, you can't factor in Isaac until he proves he can handle the rigors of a full season. And I know he's already got some muscle developing up top, but his problem is leg/ankle strength. If that doesn't improve, we're going to see a repeat of next seaso

There's no contradiction there (except there is).

[rcklsscognition]

Or do U pay AG 80-90 million when we r still early in a rebuild or get a guy who is prolly better in MPJ and save that $$$$?

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

,.

He didn't really ask for anything, he was asked a question, what his ideal was. Now whether he should've said what he said is another question entirely. If it was me I would've said the good Ole "I'll let my agent handle that". Either way he's not getting max, teams are getting tighter with their wallets these days.

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Just curious, what are you basing this on? By my check, the top 40 players in the NBA all make north of 20 million a year. If you dive into those contracts, many of those deals also have raises that stretch into the 30s a year. Doesn't seem like there are any purse strings being tightened to me.

A max for AG this summer would be 25.25 million in year one and 7.5% raises each year afterwards. If he signs elsewhere for that it would be a 4 year, 112 million dollar deal.

[j-ragg]

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

,.

He didn't really ask for anything, he was asked a question, what his ideal was. Now whether he should've said what he said is another question entirely. If it was me I would've said the good Ole "I'll let my agent handle that". Either way he's not getting max, teams are getting tighter with their wallets these days.

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Just curious, what are you basing this on? By my check, the top 40 players in the NBA all make north of 20 million a year. If you dive into those contracts, many of those deals also have raises that stretch into the 30s a year. Doesn't seem like there are any purse strings being tightened to me.

There aren't many teams with space this summer, and those teams have their own free agents to deal with. Since AG is restricted, it'd have to be a big chunk of cap tied up for 7 days while Orlando elects to match or not. Just doesn't seem like he'd get a huge deal imo.

[KillMonger]

You do realise that Gordon asked for $148M. THat's what his MAX could be.

,.

He didn't really ask for anything, he was asked a question, what his ideal was. Now whether he should've said what he said is another question entirely. If it was me I would've said the good Ole "I'll let my agent handle that". Either way he's not getting max, teams are getting tighter with their wallets these days.

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Just curious, what are you basing this on? By my check, the top 40 players in the NBA all make north of 20 million a year. If you dive into those contracts, many of those deals also have raises that stretch into the 30s a year. Doesn't seem like there are any purse strings being tightened to me.

i'm not talking about contracts that have already been handed out i'm talking about going forward should've made that more clear. I don't have any links or anything but just going off of what people tell me. When NBA got all that money people thought they were going to be handing out all these crazy contracts but for the most part that wasn't really the case at least not recently i think the cap wasn't as high as people thought it was going to be. In this case i highly doubt that AG will get a max or a near max, i just don't see any other team pulling that trigger without getting that hot seat ready first.

[fendilim]

Contracts aside, if Mpj’s dont turn out to be a bust, i think he can be an allstar. Like more than ag probably. Defense aint getting you to the allstar, imo.