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Free Agency July 1!!!!!!! 

Post#1 » by gov1718 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:15 pm

Who will the Magic pursue in free agency and/or trades or sign and trades????
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Post#2 » by Uncommon » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:25 pm

Tyreke Evans
Mario Hezonja
Isiah Thomas
Dante Exum
Fred Van Vleet
Possibly Dennis Schroeder

No one else should be considered.
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Post#3 » by OrlMagic05 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:28 pm

I wish we had the money to really go after Dante Exum. I think he could be a great fit for this team.
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Post#4 » by Patrick1978 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:30 pm

Uncommon wrote:Tyreke Evans
Mario Hezonja
Isiah Thomas
Dante Exum
Fred Van Vleet
Possibly Dennis Schroeder

No one else should be considered.


Add bledsoe and satoransky to this list
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Post#5 » by Knightro » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:39 pm

The first order of business is deciding what to do with Shelvin Mack and Khem Birch. I would waive Mack and guarantee Birch's 1.37M.

The next order of business is extending Aaron Gordon a qualifying offer. No brainer to do. I would let him shop himself around and just match whatever contract he is able to find.

The third order of business is to offer Hezonja the full 5.2-5.4M on a 1 year deal and hope he accepts. I think he wants to stay, but I imagine he will get bigger offers elsewhere.

Then we get into free agency...

The Magic only have the 8.5M mid-level to offer free agents anywhere from a 1-4 year contract. Unfortunately, the free agency market is pretty bare.

There is a rumor out there that the Magic are interested in bring Nick Calathes back to the NBA from Greece.

Ultimately it seems like trades are going to be the way the Magic make most of the changes to this roster.
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Post#6 » by woosah » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:41 pm

I guess you're counting trades because we don't have much to get true free agents. I don't expect much. They will keep AG and try to find some guards.
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Post#7 » by Sactowndog » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:05 pm

Uncommon wrote:Tyreke Evans
Mario Hezonja
Isiah Thomas
Dante Exum
Fred Van Vleet
Possibly Dennis Schroeder

No one else should be considered.


I would be shocked if you keep Hezonja. You are capped at what you can offer and teams can outbid you with the MLE.
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Post#8 » by Patrick1978 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:23 pm

Knightro wrote:The first order of business is deciding what to do with Shelvin Mack and Khem Birch. I would waive Mack and guarantee Birch's 1.37M.

The next order of business is extending Aaron Gordon a qualifying offer. No brainer to do. I would let him shop himself around and just match whatever contract he is able to find.

The third order of business is to offer Hezonja the full 5.2M over anywhere from 1-3 years and hope he accepts. I think he wants to stay, but I imagine he will get bigger offers elsewhere.

Then we get into free agency...

The Magic only have the 8.5M mid-level to offer free agents anywhere from a 1-4 year contract. Unfortunately, the free agency market is pretty bare.

There is a rumor out there that the Magic are interested in bring Nick Calathes back to the NBA from Greece.

Ultimately it seems like trades are going to be the way the Magic make most of the changes to this roster.

They really want to bring calathes back?
I also heard something about interest in Brad wanamaker
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Post#9 » by Melvinlocker » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:35 pm

I really like Tyler Johnson from Miami. He's a tough young combo guard with 2 years left on his deal. Miami has been rumored to want to unload his contract for cap relief. What if we traded Vucevic and Simmons for Johnson?



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Augustin
Fournier
Ross
Gordon
Bamba

2nd Unit
Johnson
Isaac
Biyombo
Mack
Frazier

3rd Unit
Iwundu
Jackson
Birch

This trade fixes our logjam at center and sets us up to have some cap space in two years (Biyombo, Augustin and Johnson come off the books). We also give Bamba, Isaac and Gordon some spacing/playmakers to help them develop. It would also give us some flexibility to explore a front court of Bamba/Isaac/Gordon.
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Post#10 » by Knightro » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:47 pm

Patrick1978 wrote:They really want to bring calathes back?
I also heard something about interest in Brad wanamaker


Woj reported back on May 2nd that Calathes was planning to return to the NBA from Greece this offseason.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23377655/nick-calathes-plans-return-nba-euroleague

Then on June 21st, Harris Stavrou the editor of NBA Hellas in Greece, tweeted this...

Read on Twitter


Here's the translation of the tweet.

"The General Manager of Orlando Magic, John Hammond, attended this year's Panathinaikos match with Real Madrid in Oaka, next to the "green" bench. I'm expecting his move for the Florida Kid, Nick Calathes."

And then this article was written...

http://nba.sport24.gr/article/5239869/o-teodosic-i-upomoni-tou-kalathi-kai-oi-orlando-magic

Somewhere here is the name of Nick Calathes, who avoided answering Panathinaikos' proposal (6,500,000 euros for a three-year contract), as his goal is to return to the NBA three years after his departure from the Grizzlies. Then, in the summer of 2015, the Memphis team had submitted the qualifying offer of $1,147,276 to the international point guard who wanted to return to Europe and did it. Now Calathes wants to redeem his great year at EuroLeague with a good deal at the NBA, where he feels he can play at a competitive level in the most productive phase of his career and is trying to gain time that Panathinaikos has difficulty in give it.

Calathes knows that in the summer of 2016 Sergio Rodriguez got 8,000,000 from the 76ers and in the summer of 2017 Milos Teodosic signed for 6,000,000 at the Clippers. And that is why it is aimed at a sum similar to what the Spanish and the Serb have secured. Timing looks great for him, both because the free agent point guards 'tank' has not a lot of talent, but because he is 29 years old, comes from the best year of his career, he is considered an excellent two-way ace who can play great personal defense, create, penetrate, score. He has matured as a leader, he is very experienced, terribly competitive, while in the USA everyone is aware of his tenure at Florida University, they respect him and recognize his quality.

Opponents of Brandon Knight (Bucks), Reggie Jackson (Thunder), Jose Calderon (Mavericks), Jeff Teague (Hawks), Kyrie Irving (Cavaliers), John Wall (Wizards), Jameer Nelson (Magic) 10.4 points, 4.6 rebounds, 6.3 assists and 2.6 steals (!) every 36 minutes. It was a small but excellent example of what Calathes could offer to the Grizzlies, but they had to support Mike Conley and they did. At the moment, however, Calathes' "shares" are certainly higher than those of Rodriguez in the summer of 2016 and Teodosic in the summer of 2017.

Calathes knows that with the current data, on a "tough" market that has too many "heavy" payrolls, the 6,000,000 target is a good number that reflects the figures we have already mentioned. If there is a group that currently looks like a possible destination, this is Magic. Calathes was born and raised in Casselberry, a suburb of Orlando, played at the Lake Howell High School in the city and then found at the University of Florida based in Gainesville. Although everyone was expecting Magic to target a point guard at NBA Draft 2018, General Manager John Hammond did what he did to Milwaukee Bucks. He invested in length and size, took the beastly Mohamed Bamba, filled the front line in which there are Nikola Vucevic, Bismack Biyombo, Khem Birch (one of the first two will be given an exchange) and left "naked" the position of the ace in which there is only DJ Augustin who can not stand as a key player. A space in the salary cap is there, Hammond watched Calathes in the EuroLeague second playoffs just next to Panathinaikos' bench and saw him score 12 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals against Luka Doncic who scored 8 points in 27 minutes, all from line of shots. Let Mike Batiste, who followed Steve Clifford from Charlotte to Orlando, is working on Magic...

Note : Magic can "cut off" until Monday (25/6) point guard Shelvin Mack by giving him only $ 1,000,000 to save the remaining 5,000,000 in the 2018/19 period.

For now, however, Nick does not have a proposal as the League teams are forbidden to approach any free agent before July 1 (and sign it before July 6, when the moratorium expires). The ace of Panathinaikos must play the game of patience (like Nikola Milutinov, the case of which is of course very different) from the moment he wants to exhaust the margins and for this reason he avoids giving a clear answer to Panathinaikos who in turn can not wait for him ... always. Calathes does with logic and not with emotion, he knows that in his 29 he is in the best of his career spiritually and physically and will not bring us the slightest surprise if we see him returning to his home, even with a contract larger than what it is aimed at.
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Post#11 » by woosah » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:50 pm

Sactowndog wrote:
Uncommon wrote:Tyreke Evans
Mario Hezonja
Isiah Thomas
Dante Exum
Fred Van Vleet
Possibly Dennis Schroeder

No one else should be considered.


I would be shocked if you keep Hezonja. You are capped at what you can offer and teams can outbid you with the MLE.

Yeah we would be shocked too. We have like a tiny, bite-size snickers bit of hope that he will stick around because of things he has said. We'll see.
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Post#12 » by Melvinlocker » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:56 pm

Knightro wrote:
Patrick1978 wrote:They really want to bring calathes back?
I also heard something about interest in Brad wanamaker


Woj reported back on May 2nd that Calathes was planning to return to the NBA from Greece this offseason.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23377655/nick-calathes-plans-return-nba-euroleague

Then on June 21st, Harris Stavrou the editor of NBA Hellas in Greece, tweeted this...

Read on Twitter


Here's the translation of the tweet.

"The General Manager of Orlando Magic, John Hammond, attended this year's Panathinaikos match with Real Madrid in Oaka, next to the "green" bench. I'm expecting his move for the Florida Kid, Nick Calathes."

And then this article was written...

http://nba.sport24.gr/article/5239869/o-teodosic-i-upomoni-tou-kalathi-kai-oi-orlando-magic

Somewhere here is the name of Nick Calathes, who avoided answering Panathinaikos' proposal (6,500,000 euros for a three-year contract), as his goal is to return to the NBA three years after his departure from the Grizzlies. Then, in the summer of 2015, the Memphis team had submitted the qualifying offer of $1,147,276 to the international point guard who wanted to return to Europe and did it. Now Calathes wants to redeem his great year at EuroLeague with a good deal at the NBA, where he feels he can play at a competitive level in the most productive phase of his career and is trying to gain time that Panathinaikos has difficulty in give it.

Calathes knows that in the summer of 2016 Sergio Rodriguez got 8,000,000 from the 76ers and in the summer of 2017 Milos Teodosic signed for 6,000,000 at the Clippers. And that is why it is aimed at a sum similar to what the Spanish and the Serb have secured. Timing looks great for him, both because the free agent point guards 'tank' has not a lot of talent, but because he is 29 years old, comes from the best year of his career, he is considered an excellent two-way ace who can play great personal defense, create, penetrate, score. He has matured as a leader, he is very experienced, terribly competitive, while in the USA everyone is aware of his tenure at Florida University, they respect him and recognize his quality.

Opponents of Brandon Knight (Bucks), Reggie Jackson (Thunder), Jose Calderon (Mavericks), Jeff Teague (Hawks), Kyrie Irving (Cavaliers), John Wall (Wizards), Jameer Nelson (Magic) 10.4 points, 4.6 rebounds, 6.3 assists and 2.6 steals (!) every 36 minutes. It was a small but excellent example of what Calathes could offer to the Grizzlies, but they had to support Mike Conley and they did. At the moment, however, Calathes' "shares" are certainly higher than those of Rodriguez in the summer of 2016 and Teodosic in the summer of 2017.

Calathes knows that with the current data, on a "tough" market that has too many "heavy" payrolls, the 6,000,000 target is a good number that reflects the figures we have already mentioned. If there is a group that currently looks like a possible destination, this is Magic. Calathes was born and raised in Casselberry, a suburb of Orlando, played at the Lake Howell High School in the city and then found at the University of Florida based in Gainesville. Although everyone was expecting Magic to target a point guard at NBA Draft 2018, General Manager John Hammond did what he did to Milwaukee Bucks. He invested in length and size, took the beastly Mohamed Bamba, filled the front line in which there are Nikola Vucevic, Bismack Biyombo, Khem Birch (one of the first two will be given an exchange) and left "naked" the position of the ace in which there is only DJ Augustin who can not stand as a key player. A space in the salary cap is there, Hammond watched Calathes in the EuroLeague second playoffs just next to Panathinaikos' bench and saw him score 12 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals against Luka Doncic who scored 8 points in 27 minutes, all from line of shots. Let Mike Batiste, who followed Steve Clifford from Charlotte to Orlando, is working on Magic...

Note : Magic can "cut off" until Monday (25/6) point guard Shelvin Mack by giving him only $ 1,000,000 to save the remaining 5,000,000 in the 2018/19 period.

For now, however, Nick does not have a proposal as the League teams are forbidden to approach any free agent before July 1 (and sign it before July 6, when the moratorium expires). The ace of Panathinaikos must play the game of patience (like Nikola Milutinov, the case of which is of course very different) from the moment he wants to exhaust the margins and for this reason he avoids giving a clear answer to Panathinaikos who in turn can not wait for him ... always. Calathes does with logic and not with emotion, he knows that in his 29 he is in the best of his career spiritually and physically and will not bring us the slightest surprise if we see him returning to his home, even with a contract larger than what it is aimed at.


I'd be cool with us trying to go for Calathes as long as the deal is 2 years or less. He isn't a great shooter, but he can defend and pass very well. Could be a solid rotation player for us and push Mack for playing time.
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Post#13 » by Patrick1978 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:23 pm

Melvinlocker wrote:I really like Tyler Johnson from Miami. He's a tough young combo guard with 2 years left on his deal. Miami has been rumored to want to unload his contract for cap relief. What if we traded Vucevic and Simmons for Johnson?



Starting Lineup
Augustin
Fournier
Ross
Gordon
Bamba

2nd Unit
Johnson
Isaac
Biyombo
Mack
Frazier

3rd Unit
Iwundu
Jackson
Birch

This trade fixes our logjam at center and sets us up to have some cap space in two years (Biyombo, Augustin and Johnson come off the books). We also give Bamba, Isaac and Gordon some spacing/playmakers to help them develop. It would also give us some flexibility to explore a front court of Bamba/Isaac/Gordon.

I would welcome johnson here.
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Post#14 » by Patrick1978 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:26 pm

Knightro wrote:
Patrick1978 wrote:They really want to bring calathes back?
I also heard something about interest in Brad wanamaker


Woj reported back on May 2nd that Calathes was planning to return to the NBA from Greece this offseason.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23377655/nick-calathes-plans-return-nba-euroleague

Then on June 21st, Harris Stavrou the editor of NBA Hellas in Greece, tweeted this...

Read on Twitter


Here's the translation of the tweet.

"The General Manager of Orlando Magic, John Hammond, attended this year's Panathinaikos match with Real Madrid in Oaka, next to the "green" bench. I'm expecting his move for the Florida Kid, Nick Calathes."

And then this article was written...

http://nba.sport24.gr/article/5239869/o-teodosic-i-upomoni-tou-kalathi-kai-oi-orlando-magic

Somewhere here is the name of Nick Calathes, who avoided answering Panathinaikos' proposal (6,500,000 euros for a three-year contract), as his goal is to return to the NBA three years after his departure from the Grizzlies. Then, in the summer of 2015, the Memphis team had submitted the qualifying offer of $1,147,276 to the international point guard who wanted to return to Europe and did it. Now Calathes wants to redeem his great year at EuroLeague with a good deal at the NBA, where he feels he can play at a competitive level in the most productive phase of his career and is trying to gain time that Panathinaikos has difficulty in give it.

Calathes knows that in the summer of 2016 Sergio Rodriguez got 8,000,000 from the 76ers and in the summer of 2017 Milos Teodosic signed for 6,000,000 at the Clippers. And that is why it is aimed at a sum similar to what the Spanish and the Serb have secured. Timing looks great for him, both because the free agent point guards 'tank' has not a lot of talent, but because he is 29 years old, comes from the best year of his career, he is considered an excellent two-way ace who can play great personal defense, create, penetrate, score. He has matured as a leader, he is very experienced, terribly competitive, while in the USA everyone is aware of his tenure at Florida University, they respect him and recognize his quality.

Opponents of Brandon Knight (Bucks), Reggie Jackson (Thunder), Jose Calderon (Mavericks), Jeff Teague (Hawks), Kyrie Irving (Cavaliers), John Wall (Wizards), Jameer Nelson (Magic) 10.4 points, 4.6 rebounds, 6.3 assists and 2.6 steals (!) every 36 minutes. It was a small but excellent example of what Calathes could offer to the Grizzlies, but they had to support Mike Conley and they did. At the moment, however, Calathes' "shares" are certainly higher than those of Rodriguez in the summer of 2016 and Teodosic in the summer of 2017.

Calathes knows that with the current data, on a "tough" market that has too many "heavy" payrolls, the 6,000,000 target is a good number that reflects the figures we have already mentioned. If there is a group that currently looks like a possible destination, this is Magic. Calathes was born and raised in Casselberry, a suburb of Orlando, played at the Lake Howell High School in the city and then found at the University of Florida based in Gainesville. Although everyone was expecting Magic to target a point guard at NBA Draft 2018, General Manager John Hammond did what he did to Milwaukee Bucks. He invested in length and size, took the beastly Mohamed Bamba, filled the front line in which there are Nikola Vucevic, Bismack Biyombo, Khem Birch (one of the first two will be given an exchange) and left "naked" the position of the ace in which there is only DJ Augustin who can not stand as a key player. A space in the salary cap is there, Hammond watched Calathes in the EuroLeague second playoffs just next to Panathinaikos' bench and saw him score 12 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals against Luka Doncic who scored 8 points in 27 minutes, all from line of shots. Let Mike Batiste, who followed Steve Clifford from Charlotte to Orlando, is working on Magic...

Note : Magic can "cut off" until Monday (25/6) point guard Shelvin Mack by giving him only $ 1,000,000 to save the remaining 5,000,000 in the 2018/19 period.

For now, however, Nick does not have a proposal as the League teams are forbidden to approach any free agent before July 1 (and sign it before July 6, when the moratorium expires). The ace of Panathinaikos must play the game of patience (like Nikola Milutinov, the case of which is of course very different) from the moment he wants to exhaust the margins and for this reason he avoids giving a clear answer to Panathinaikos who in turn can not wait for him ... always. Calathes does with logic and not with emotion, he knows that in his 29 he is in the best of his career spiritually and physically and will not bring us the slightest surprise if we see him returning to his home, even with a contract larger than what it is aimed at.

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Post#15 » by gov1718 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:35 pm

Can Nick play point guard?
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Post#16 » by cedric76 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:50 pm

I think we 'll offer all our money to can fleet.

He can shoot 3s and can hold his man

8m/y and guarantee to be a starting pg should be enough to pray him away from Toronto

I'd rather have a better pg but at 8m per, you can't complain
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Post#17 » by Jiwol » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:53 pm

gov1718 wrote:Can Nick play point guard?


Nick Vuc? Hell, yes he can.

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Post#18 » by npiper17 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:00 pm

I didn’t think Calathes could shoot? Surely not ideal to add a non-shooter at that position after what we’ve experienced recently with Elf.
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Post#19 » by fklt » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:00 pm

Jiwol wrote:
gov1718 wrote:Can Nick play point guard?


Nick Vuc? Hell, yes he can.

PG Vuc
SG Isaac
SF Birch
PF Biz
C Bamba


I'm pretty sure that's the line up that makes hammond's eyes glow.
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Post#20 » by Knightro » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:23 pm

Calathes had a MONSTER year in Europe.

17.7 points, 5.3 rebounds, 11.0 assists, 2.4 steals per 36 minutes over 56 games.

Unfortunately he only shot 31.2% from three and 55.8% from the foul line. He did shoot 48.2% from the floor (55.5% from two).

He's an old school playmaker that can't shoot a lick.

The Magic desperately need the passing and playmaking from the PG spot, but the lack of shooting is a huge negative.

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