What Will We Do With Justin Jackson?

Rayshard7 · Post #1 » by **Rayshard7** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 11:22 am

Will we stash him overseas, in the g league or sign him to a contract? I am still mad that we decided to draft Justin Jackson even though Melton was available. Hopefully, his shoulder is 100% and he gains strength so he can be our backup 4.

pepe1991 · Post #2 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 11:31 am

It's sad situation, he played through injury and probably made things much worst.
Problem is that injury happend probably over year ago.
Letting him take some overseas contract can help both sides.

Gant · Post #3 » by **Gant** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 12:28 pm

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drsd · Post #4 » by **drsd** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 2:47 pm

Rayshard7 wrote:I am still mad that we decided to draft Justin Jackson even though Melton was available. Hopefully, his shoulder is 100% and he gains strength so he can be our backup 4.

I would have liked Chimezie Metu, and as the Spurs just gave him a 3-yar deal, it sounds like he is having a nice Summer.

Metu really looked like he would develop into a solid bench PF. Would have been a nice, need pick for the Magic.

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rusoopE · Post #5 » by **rusoopE** » Sat Sep 8, 2018 8:35 am

Who?

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drsd · Post #6 » by **drsd** » Sat Sep 8, 2018 2:16 pm

rusoopE wrote:Who?

Here's hoping the Magic trade Jackson's rights to the Kings, so that both Justin Jacksons get court time together!

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basketballRob · Post #7 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Sep 8, 2018 2:56 pm

I assume Jackson will have a shot to make the team in training camp. I know he suited up but didn't play in summer league. Am I missing something about his status?

fendilim · Post #8 » by **fendilim** » Sat Sep 8, 2018 5:20 pm

Did we even sign him? Probably going to get him to the gleague to rehab or just stash him.

Post #9 » by **Howard Mass** » Sat Sep 8, 2018 5:50 pm

Given how The Training Camp Roster is now at 20, Justin Jackson will likely either sign outright with Lakeland as a Draft Rights Player or go overseas.

PennytoShaq · Post #10 » by **PennytoShaq** » Sat Sep 8, 2018 6:54 pm

Hoping we stash this guy in gleague. He just needs to get healthy and then we can see what we have. We may have a future need at backup stretch pf.

mojo13 · Post #11 » by **mojo13** » Sun Sep 9, 2018 2:21 am

Just a head ups, but Jackson was named to the 18 man training camp roster for Team Canada for the World Cup Qualifiers September window (first game the 13th) I’m not expecting much but he may make the team as we are so darn thin at SF - not sure if he can even play SF though. Its been a long time since I’ve even seen him play.

I thought he had to be extended a qualifying offer by the 4th for the Magic to even retain his draft rights. Perhaps they made a deal to extend the Qualifying offer but not have him sign it? I’m not totally clear how that works.

By the way I should add that Khem Birch is playing for Canada as well. He will surely make the final 12 and will be the back up interior big after Tristan Thompson (Kelly Olynyk is the other starting big). But I expect much from Khem as really our only rim protection and think he may be better than Thompson at FIBA style b-ball. I hope he gets the minute she he deserves. Canada vs Brazil on the 13th and will be televised on ESPN+.

Melvin Ejim who I think had a some summer and training camp run with the Magic in years past will be the other back up big. He’s now a really solid European pro - a do everything undersized PF and always balls hard for Canada. Always thought he should have gotten a legit shot in the NBA - but he has a good career going in Europe.

fendilim · Post #12 » by **fendilim** » Sun Sep 9, 2018 3:24 am

mojo13 wrote:Just a head ups, but Jackson was named to the 18 man training camp roster for Team Canada for the World Cup Qualifiers September window (first game the 13th) I’m not expecting much but he may make the team as we are so darn thin at SF - not sure if he can even play SF though. Its been a long time since I’ve even seen him play.

I thought he had to be extended a qualifying offer by the 4th for the Magic to even retain his draft rights. Perhaps they made a deal to extend the Qualifying offer but not have him sign it? I’m not totally clear how that works.

By the way I should add that Khem Birch is playing for Canada as well. He will surely make the final 12 and will be the back up interior big after Tristan Thompson (Kelly Olynyk is the other starting big). But I expect much from Khem as really our only rim protection and think he may be better than Thompson at FIBA style b-ball. I hope he gets the minute she he deserves. Canada vs Brazil on the 13th and will be televised on ESPN+.

Melvin Ejim who I think had a some summer and training camp run with the Magic in years past will be the other back up big. He’s now a really solid European pro - a do everything undersized PF and always balls hard for Canada. Always thought he should have gotten a legit shot in the NBA - but he has a good career going in Europe.

How exactly are we thin at Sf? One of Isaac and Gordon will play that position. You also have Simmons, Ross and Fournier all capable of playing that position.

mojo13 · Post #13 » by **mojo13** » Sun Sep 9, 2018 3:45 pm

fendilim wrote:
mojo13 wrote:Just a head ups, but Jackson was named to the 18 man training camp roster for Team Canada for the World Cup Qualifiers September window (first game the 13th) I’m not expecting much but he may make the team as we are so darn thin at SF - not sure if he can even play SF though. Its been a long time since I’ve even seen him play.

I thought he had to be extended a qualifying offer by the 4th for the Magic to even retain his draft rights. Perhaps they made a deal to extend the Qualifying offer but not have him sign it? I’m not totally clear how that works.

By the way I should add that Khem Birch is playing for Canada as well. He will surely make the final 12 and will be the back up interior big after Tristan Thompson (Kelly Olynyk is the other starting big). But I expect much from Khem as really our only rim protection and think he may be better than Thompson at FIBA style b-ball. I hope he gets the minute she he deserves. Canada vs Brazil on the 13th and will be televised on ESPN+.

Melvin Ejim who I think had a some summer and training camp run with the Magic in years past will be the other back up big. He’s now a really solid European pro - a do everything undersized PF and always balls hard for Canada. Always thought he should have gotten a legit shot in the NBA - but he has a good career going in Europe.

How exactly are we thin at Sf? One of Isaac and Gordon will play that position. You also have Simmons, Ross and Fournier all capable of playing that position.

That whole paragraph I was writing about Team Canada. “We” refers to Canada - but I should have anticipated the confusion.

pepe1991 · Post #14 » by **pepe1991** » Sun Sep 9, 2018 4:59 pm

Confusing and Magic come off looking like amateurish organisation once again.
They knew , or at least should have known that he didn't play any basketball since December of 2017, but actually his injury goes all the way back to August of 2017.
So without any medical checking they made a trade and now they refuse to sign him because he is still hurt. Wow really shocking that guy who played through shoulder injury for almost 4 months made it much worst and now needs forever to recover.

Simple solutions:
1) don't draft/trade for him
2) don't act stupid now and just sign him on contract or you literally trashed 41# pick.

Why not just keep Jarred Vanderbilt in first place? At least he is basketball baby,turned 19 few weeks before draft.
Hamidou Diallo looked nice in SL, another dude that could be better pick than just trashing another second round pick in toilet.

VFX · Post #15 » by **VFX** » Sun Sep 9, 2018 5:46 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Confusing and Magic come off looking like amateurish organisation once again.
They knew , or at least should have known that he didn't play any basketball since December of 2017, but actually his injury goes all the way back to August of 2017.
So without any medical checking they made a trade and now they refuse to sign him because he is still hurt. Wow really shocking that guy who played through shoulder injury for almost 4 months made it much worst and now needs forever to recover.

Simple solutions:
1) don't draft/trade for him
2) don't act stupid now and just sign him on contract or you literally trashed 41# pick.

Why not just keep Jarred Vanderbilt in first place? At least he is basketball baby,turned 19 few weeks before draft.
Hamidou Diallo looked nice in SL, another dude that could be better pick than just trashing another second round pick in toilet.

I ask myself similar questions. We both know WeHam don’t give a **** about late second round picks or addressing team needs.

PennytoShaq · Post #16 » by **PennytoShaq** » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:12 pm

Just curious if there is evidence that the Magic didn’t research his medicals.

His quotes during draft interview - “My shoulder feels great. Honestly, some days I forget I even had the injury,” Jackson said Friday during an introductory press conference at Amway Center along with first-round pick Mohamed Bamba of Texas and second-round pick Melvin Frazier of Tulane.

“I’ve been working ever since I got cleared a couple of months ago. It was just like I hit the ground running. Three times a day I was in there trying to get back to the player I know I can be.”

What I think actually happened is the Magic saw a guy who they believe could develop into a solid reserve shooter at the 4 spot. They also received a 2nd round pick in exchange for trading Vanderbilt. I think the Magic like to grab 2nd rounders to leverage for trades or take shots on guys they see as value picks.

Why not keep Vanderbilt? They were offered a trade and decided they would rather take that. Most likely figured if Jackson panned out, he filled a need for them ( we need a reserve stretch 4 who can shoot), and if not they had others guys that could go after. Which they did - Jarell Martin.

I know people get annoyed if I or someone else defends the FO, but to assume they don’t know what they are doing at all just seems like an amateur fan conclusion.

I hope Jackson gets better and shows something in the G league. We could use him next season.

pepe1991 · Post #17 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:10 pm

So he said he is ok in April, yet could not play in SL 2 months later or be part of Canda roster 3 months later?

Despite fact that he is on Canada roster - 18 men roster that is scheduled for another qualify game,that will play in 4 days ,he still didn't officially make it to final roster.

We are 15 days away from openings of all training camps and he still does not have an NBA contract.

Reasons why this makes no sense?

An NBA team may have no more than two players on two-way deals, and Jefferson will become Orlando’s second two-way player for the season ahead, joining guard Troy Caupain.

Not including Jefferson and Caupain, the Magic already have 15 players signed to either partially guaranteed or fully guaranteed contracts who figure to make the team’s regular-season roster.

Since 15 players is the maximum for a regular season, it appears that unsigned second-round pick Justin Jackson will not make the team’s regular-season roster. Jackson, who missed most of his 2017-18 college season at Maryland due to a shoulder injury and didn’t play for Orlando’s summer league team, seems likely to spend the upcoming season with Lakeland.

Second round picks selected as high as Jackson have almost been guaranteed to sign NBA contracts in recent years, but Jackson underwent surgery to repair a torn labrum in December, which effectively ended his collegiate career and -- though he was cleared to start playing again a couple months before June’s draft -- prevented him from participating in the recent NBA summer leagues.

His only hope for Magic roster is that Magic fire Iwundu, their highest drafted second round pick since Anderson Varejao , 14 years ago.
Yeaa, not looking like a amateurs at all

Btw Bulls have Payne, who played ahead of Grant anyway, Lavine who will do lot of PG stuff and Dunn, they had no need for him. It's pretty silly to belive that 2020 second round pick from Cavs was key of a trade. Teams tend to trash future second round picks away anyway, you can buy them for cash.

Whole thread is about Jackson, and a fact is, he probably won't be part of Orlando Magic roster this season because they simply didn't want to sign him after making trade for him. That's actual fact.

PennytoShaq · Post #18 » by **PennytoShaq** » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:21 pm

What’s the problem with Jackson spending a year in Lakeland? I honestly don’t see why that is a huge deal.

And the funny part about the trade is the Magic made it TO GET ANOTHER PICK. I am not sure why that is so hard to grasp. They traded BACK for Justin Jackson. Acting like they moved up for him or gave up something to get him is a complete misreprentation of what actually occurred.

pepe1991 · Post #19 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:24 pm

You mean, apart from fact that it will cost him millions of dollars that he lost ?

Denver Nuggets: Jarred Vanderbilt, SF (Kentucky): Signed
Three-year, $3.92MM contract. First two years guaranteed.

To going in G league ,playing for $35K :rofl:

No big deal :roll:

I'm not sure how that works but he could do this

In order to retain the draft rights of a second-round prospect, teams must offer second-round picks a tender of the minimum salary, with all that money non-guaranteed. Most players decline the offer, knowing that it's not really all that valuable due to the likely lack of cash involved. Accept that offer, and you're stuck with the team for training camp, and out of the running for a larger guaranteed sum elsewhere.

Recently, however, players have started using the tender to their advantage. If you're selected, and if you believe you are a NBA player, you can accept the tender, go to camp with the team that picked you, and try to make your way onto the roster. If you succeed, you get your money. If you don't, you are free to sign with any other team, thereby giving you more future freedom to essentially pick your spot. And that's the call McDaniels made, accepting the tender instead of the $1 million-plus the Sixers were offering guaranteed.

I still don't understand why they didn't put him on two way contract. He would still play in G league, just for way more money and could make callups easier (and make more money when he gets callups )

PennytoShaq · Post #20 » by **PennytoShaq** » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:44 pm

You just explained it. The magic saved millions of dollars. They probably did not want to pay that to justin vanderbilt either. So they got an extra pick and drafted a guy they can develop and not even have to pay.

Still trying to understand how this makes the FO idiots. Now it appears we are talking about justin jackson making 35k a year while rehabbing on the magics g league team. Seems like a win for the fo if he pans out.

In fact they may have known the dude was not healthy and what he was saying was BS. Thats all speculation by us though.

Unless i am missing something you just illustrated why jackson playing for lakland is not a problem for us at all. Which was what i was saying the whole time.