Over/under for the Orlando Magic

[BadMofoPimp]

Exactly.

No team was worse than 98 ppg last year.

In fact, over the past 10 years no team has scored fewer than 87 ppg.

We would have to LITERALLY be a generationally terrible offense to average 85 ppg!

... 70!!!?? Come on.

over exaggerated a bit but that’s how bad we’ll be, bottom 3 on offense. Sig bet.

Anyone still want a sig bet lolll

Would be funny to take that bet and the team gets Kemba then becomes a decent offense.

[yoyojw17]

Westgate Las Vegas Superbook released their over/under's for each team. The Orlando Magic come in at 31.5 wins having won 25 last year. A 7 win increase doesn't happen often, especially for a team that added as little as the Magic did. Mo Bamba and Jerian Grant were their additions, but they lost Mario Hezonja, Shelvin Mack, and Aron Afflalo. However, Terrence Ross and Jonathan Isaac both were injured and played a combined 1136 minutes. If the Magic trade Vucevic, they probably won't hit that 32 win mark, but if they keep everyone and even trade for a better pg, I think they may get it. My thoughts: https://www.pulsesportsmedia.com/over-under-betting-tips-southeast-division/

Healthy magic team.... I will take the over on that one.

[OrlandO]

Under, gonna struggle to score 70 points a night.

Can people stop saying this? It's a silly thing to say. No matter how bad they are they will still average 97-100 ppg. That's the new NBA. It's not that hard to score when everybody takes threes and the game is faster... what's hard is preventing better teams from scoring more.

Well in 8 of last 22 games Magic didn't score 90 points ... so...
Sure not all players played at that point, still games vs Spurs ( 72 ) , Bulls (82) were super stinkers of dumpsterfire,
There was lot of games where Magic ingaged into total shootouts and still got whooped ( 100-137 vs Hornets), ( 103-130 vs Wizards), ( 112-133 vs Warriors ).

I don't think scoring enough will be problem every night ,but it more depends of how opponents play than how Magic run offense.


btw league average is 106,3 ppg, Magic scored 103,4
2016-17 , league average 105,6 - Magic 101,1

Your cherry picked numbers have no relevance to what he or I said. In the final 22 games they didn't average anything close to 70 ppg... they averaged 97 ppg. Exactly what I said. Thinking the Magic will suck is no excuse to make crazy exaggerated statements.

[OrlandO]

Can people stop saying this? It's a silly thing to say. No matter how bad they are they will still average 97-100 ppg. That's the new NBA. It's not that hard to score when everybody takes threes and the game is faster... what's hard is preventing better teams from scoring more.

Well in 8 of last 22 games Magic didn't score 90 points ... so...
Sure not all players played at that point, still games vs Spurs ( 72 ) , Bulls (82) were super stinkers of dumpsterfire,
There was lot of games where Magic ingaged into total shootouts and still got whooped ( 100-137 vs Hornets), ( 103-130 vs Wizards), ( 112-133 vs Warriors ).

I don't think scoring enough will be problem every night ,but it more depends of how opponents play than how Magic run offense.


btw league average is 106,3 ppg, Magic scored 103,4
2016-17 , league average 105,6 - Magic 101,1

Pepe coming in clutch

No. They averaged a little above 97 ppg in those final 22 games. That's exactly what I said and 27 ppg more than what you said.

Far from clutch... more accurate depiction of Pepe's reply...

[The Real Dalic]

Well in 8 of last 22 games Magic didn't score 90 points ... so...
Sure not all players played at that point, still games vs Spurs ( 72 ) , Bulls (82) were super stinkers of dumpsterfire,
There was lot of games where Magic ingaged into total shootouts and still got whooped ( 100-137 vs Hornets), ( 103-130 vs Wizards), ( 112-133 vs Warriors ).

I don't think scoring enough will be problem every night ,but it more depends of how opponents play than how Magic run offense.


btw league average is 106,3 ppg, Magic scored 103,4
2016-17 , league average 105,6 - Magic 101,1

Pepe coming in clutch

No. They averaged a little above 97 ppg in those final 22 games. That's exactly what I said and 27 ppg more than what you said.

Far from clutch... more accurate depiction of Pepe's reply...

OrlandO's a savage.

[pepe1991]

After Allstar game Magic had second worst FG% and 4th worst 3 point percentage. Naturally that amount of bricks produced lowest PPG in the league. As they were held on 98,5 ppg.

Despite holding opponents on nice 104,7 ppg, it ment nothing for them as they were still having -6,2 net rating due their terrible offense.

"Magic won't score more than 70 points " is exaggeration of actual problem- offense.
Magic will score 100 points or so, but how they get there makes difference. It's not amount but efficiency. Nets at one point took second most 3 point attemps in nba,yet they were still ugly team on offense, in their case style was more important than substence and they are negative example of overshooting 3s with bad roster, opposite of them you have Rockets, who with same style, but with more talent ( and way better defense ) squashed their opponents with biggest margin of wins.

Whole Magic season will be about simple question- can defense give them enough separation to hide anemic offense. In general team did not have offense ranked by offensive rating in top 10 in eight years, even late Howard teams were just average teams on offense.

[fendilim]

With the current team I'll go over if relatively healthy. If we trade Vuc, then under.

This.


Weren't we on pace to make 41 wins early in the season ?

Difficult to go over without Vuc.

[BadMofoPimp]

After Allstar game Magic had second worst FG% and 4th worst 3 point percentage. Naturally that amount of bricks produced lowest PPG in the league. As they were held on 98,5 ppg.

Despite holding opponents on nice 104,7 ppg, it ment nothing for them as they were still having -6,2 net rating due their terrible offense.

"Magic won't score more than 70 points " is exaggeration of actual problem- offense.
Magic will score 100 points or so, but how they get there makes difference. It's not amount but efficiency. Nets at one point took second most 3 point attemps in nba,yet they were still ugly team on offense, in their case style was more important than substence and they are negative example of overshooting 3s with bad roster, opposite of them you have Rockets, who with same style, but with more talent ( and way better defense ) squashed their opponents with biggest margin of wins.

Whole Magic season will be about simple question- can defense give them enough separation to hide anemic offense. In general team did not have offense ranked by offensive rating in top 10 in eight years, even late Howard teams were just average teams on offense.

If the Magic trade Vooch, I doubt the Magic will score over 60ppg. They will be too painful to watch.

[drsd]

After Allstar game Magic had second worst FG% and 4th worst 3 point percentage. Naturally that amount of bricks produced lowest PPG in the league. As they were held on 98,5 ppg.

Gordon, Fournier, Vučević, Ross, and Isaac all were out.

Last season, Jonathon Simmons played the most games: logging 69. No Magician started more than 59 games last season.

The team was horrible after the Allstar break because there was a core lack of talent.

Afflalo started 3 games. Speights started 3 games. Iwundu started 12 games. Heck even Purvis started 2 games and Artis 1. These are not stats a wining club would post.

[drsd]

Westgate Las Vegas Superbook released their over/under's for each team. The Orlando Magic come in at 31.5 wins having won 25 last year. A 7 win increase doesn't happen often, especially for a team that added as little as the Magic did. Mo Bamba and Jerian Grant were their additions, but they lost Mario Hezonja, Shelvin Mack, and Aron Afflalo. However, Terrence Ross and Jonathan Isaac both were injured and played a combined 1136 minutes. If the Magic trade Vucevic, they probably won't hit that 32 win mark, but if they keep everyone and even trade for a better pg, I think they may get it. My thoughts: https://www.pulsesportsmedia.com/over-under-betting-tips-southeast-division/

Only Washington is listed as Over. By definition, half of the teams will go over and half under, if the betting odds match the season's number of games (maybe they do not, but if not, then a good gambler would spot that and find the value).


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[pepe1991]

After Allstar game Magic had second worst FG% and 4th worst 3 point percentage. Naturally that amount of bricks produced lowest PPG in the league. As they were held on 98,5 ppg.

Gordon, Fournier, Vučević, Ross, and Isaac all were out.

Last season, Jonathon Simmons played the most games: logging 69. No Magician started more than 59 games last season.

The team was horrible after the Allstar break because there was a core lack of talent.

Afflalo started 3 games. Speights started 3 games. Iwundu started 12 games. Heck even Purvis started 2 games and Artis 1. These are not stats a wining club would post.

Meh, only SG position was really killed off. Evan played 7 , Simmons 12 games after ASB , Ross was lost on start of the season.

Isaac played through whole March.

DJ, Hezonja and BIyombo didnt' miss single game after ASB.

Gordon missed 5, Vuc 2 games. Not really big deal.


Let's also say that biggest disaster in terms of W-L column didn't happen after allstar game but after hot sot start, in November, when team lost 20 of 23 games. From November 10th, to December 28th. In general from mid November to allstar game, Magic lost 35 of 45 games or something like that.
If team didn't have super hot start, they would probably end up with 19-20 wins and worst record in the league. In retrospective hot start probably costed them Ayton and Doncic but oh well.

[MagicStarwipe]

After Allstar game Magic had second worst FG% and 4th worst 3 point percentage. Naturally that amount of bricks produced lowest PPG in the league. As they were held on 98,5 ppg.

Despite holding opponents on nice 104,7 ppg, it ment nothing for them as they were still having -6,2 net rating due their terrible offense.

"Magic won't score more than 70 points " is exaggeration of actual problem- offense.
Magic will score 100 points or so, but how they get there makes difference. It's not amount but efficiency. Nets at one point took second most 3 point attemps in nba,yet they were still ugly team on offense, in their case style was more important than substence and they are negative example of overshooting 3s with bad roster, opposite of them you have Rockets, who with same style, but with more talent ( and way better defense ) squashed their opponents with biggest margin of wins.

Whole Magic season will be about simple question- can defense give them enough separation to hide anemic offense. In general team did not have offense ranked by offensive rating in top 10 in eight years, even late Howard teams were just average teams on offense.

If the Magic trade Vooch, I doubt the Magic will score over 60ppg. They will be too painful to watch.

Watching Vucevic has been the most painful thing the last few years.

[Nemesis21]

After Allstar game Magic had second worst FG% and 4th worst 3 point percentage. Naturally that amount of bricks produced lowest PPG in the league. As they were held on 98,5 ppg.

Despite holding opponents on nice 104,7 ppg, it ment nothing for them as they were still having -6,2 net rating due their terrible offense.

"Magic won't score more than 70 points " is exaggeration of actual problem- offense.
Magic will score 100 points or so, but how they get there makes difference. It's not amount but efficiency. Nets at one point took second most 3 point attemps in nba,yet they were still ugly team on offense, in their case style was more important than substence and they are negative example of overshooting 3s with bad roster, opposite of them you have Rockets, who with same style, but with more talent ( and way better defense ) squashed their opponents with biggest margin of wins.

Whole Magic season will be about simple question- can defense give them enough separation to hide anemic offense. In general team did not have offense ranked by offensive rating in top 10 in eight years, even late Howard teams were just average teams on offense.

If the Magic trade Vooch, I doubt the Magic will score over 60ppg. They will be too painful to watch.

Good that means we'll be tanking for Barrett/Reddish.

[drsd]

Gordon missed 5, Vuc 2 games. Not really big deal.

Gordon played 58 games, meaning he missed 23.
Vučević played 57, missing 24.

Fournier missed 24, Ross missed 58, Augustin missed 5, Hezonja missed 5, Isaac missed 55, Mack missed 13, and Birch missed 40. Granted some of these are DNPCDs, but that is 247 games missed.

Only Biyombo logged all 82 games.

For the Magic to make the playoffs this season, most of these players need 70+ games played: Fournier, Ross, Simons, Issac, Gordon, and Vučević. If two or more of those players misses 20+ games, the season will be (yet again) lost.

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[pepe1991]

Gordon missed 5, Vuc 2 games. Not really big deal.

Gordon played 58 games, meaning he missed 23.
Vučević played 57, missing 24.

Fournier missed 24, Ross missed 58, Augustin missed 5, Hezonja missed 5, Isaac missed 55, Mack missed 13, and Birch missed 40. Granted some of these are DNPCDs, but that is 247 games missed.

Only Biyombo logged all 82 games.

For the Magic to make the playoffs this season, most of these players need 70+ games played: Fournier, Ross, Simons, Issac, Gordon, and Vučević. If two or more of those players misses 20+ games, the season will be (yet again) lost.

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I was talking about post allstar missings.

Well yea, in order to make playoffs Magic need to find chemistry with new coach fast, hope that Knicks,Hornets,Nets, Cavs, Hawks have zero desire to chase, improve defense and have funcional offense.

Pistons and Bulls are probably ready to make playoff push this year, but time will tell what's going to happen.

[NavalAviator94]

With the current team I'll go over if relatively healthy. If we trade Vuc, then under.

This is 100% what I believe.

[j-ragg]

After Allstar game Magic had second worst FG% and 4th worst 3 point percentage. Naturally that amount of bricks produced lowest PPG in the league. As they were held on 98,5 ppg.

Despite holding opponents on nice 104,7 ppg, it ment nothing for them as they were still having -6,2 net rating due their terrible offense.

"Magic won't score more than 70 points " is exaggeration of actual problem- offense.
Magic will score 100 points or so, but how they get there makes difference. It's not amount but efficiency. Nets at one point took second most 3 point attemps in nba,yet they were still ugly team on offense, in their case style was more important than substence and they are negative example of overshooting 3s with bad roster, opposite of them you have Rockets, who with same style, but with more talent ( and way better defense ) squashed their opponents with biggest margin of wins.

Whole Magic season will be about simple question- can defense give them enough separation to hide anemic offense. In general team did not have offense ranked by offensive rating in top 10 in eight years, even late Howard teams were just average teams on offense.

If the Magic trade Vooch, I doubt the Magic will score over 60ppg. They will be too painful to watch.

Last year

With Vuc - 102.4 ppg 57 games

Without Vuc 105.6 ppg 25 games

[drsd]

With Vuc - 102.4 ppg 57 games

Without Vuc 105.6 ppg 25 games

This is a fascinating stat, given that Biyombo had horrible +/- numbers for the team. I really cannot see how A leads to B in this.


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[pepe1991]

With Vuc - 102.4 ppg 57 games

Without Vuc 105.6 ppg 25 games

This is a fascinating stat, given that Biyombo had horrible +/- numbers for the team. I really cannot see how A leads to B in this.


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Team was 5-20 without him if I didn't miss something while counting.

[drsd]

Team was 5-20 without him if I didn't miss something while counting.

Wins are the only stat that matters. Accepting the above, this means the Magic was 20-37 with Vučević.

So a 20% win rate without compared to a 35% win rate with.


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