Trade idea thread

[j-ragg]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaplmlg8

Why for Orlando -
Salary Cap in Crabbe to resign players.
Resign Russell to finally get a starting pg
Rondae Hollis Jefferson is a great defensive wing at 23 years old
Trade Vuc by the deadline for depth

Russell /DJ
Fournier/ Ross
RHJ
Isaac
Bamba

Brooklyn gets a player to pair with Jarrett Allen and sheds enough contracts to pay some of their young guys over the next couple years and retain them all. They can be players in free agency for once.

Dinwiddie
Lavert
Simmons / Carroll
AG
J. Allen

Your hate for Gordon aside... you want to replace him with a forward who's 2/17 from 3 so far this season? I'm not convinced you'd have to give up AG to get Russell and I'd much rather have him than RHJ. Seems like it'd be putting MKG at the 3 next to our 2 bigs.

[MagicMatic]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaplmlg8

Why for Orlando -
Salary Cap in Crabbe to resign players.
Resign Russell to finally get a starting pg
Rondae Hollis Jefferson is a great defensive wing at 23 years old
Trade Vuc by the deadline for depth

Russell /DJ
Fournier/ Ross
RHJ
Isaac
Bamba

Brooklyn gets a player to pair with Jarrett Allen and sheds enough contracts to pay some of their young guys over the next couple years and retain them all. They can be players in free agency for once.

Dinwiddie
Lavert
Simmons / Carroll
AG
J. Allen

You should be banned from making trade proposals.

Nah. You should stop overvaluing players.

You are acquiring the right to offer the most money to match and getting the cap space to do so.

[Magic_Johnny12]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaplmlg8

Why for Orlando -
Salary Cap in Crabbe to resign players.
Resign Russell to finally get a starting pg
Rondae Hollis Jefferson is a great defensive wing at 23 years old
Trade Vuc by the deadline for depth

Russell /DJ
Fournier/ Ross
RHJ
Isaac
Bamba

Brooklyn gets a player to pair with Jarrett Allen and sheds enough contracts to pay some of their young guys over the next couple years and retain them all. They can be players in free agency for once.

Dinwiddie
Lavert
Simmons / Carroll
AG
J. Allen

You should be banned from making trade proposals.

Nah. You should stop overvaluing players.

You are acquiring the right to offer the most money to match and getting the cap space to do so.

You're so wrong and off on this, but at this point there's no need to explain. I'll let the others emphasize how horrendous this is.

[MagicMatic]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaplmlg8

Why for Orlando -
Salary Cap in Crabbe to resign players.
Resign Russell to finally get a starting pg
Rondae Hollis Jefferson is a great defensive wing at 23 years old
Trade Vuc by the deadline for depth

Russell /DJ
Fournier/ Ross
RHJ
Isaac
Bamba

Brooklyn gets a player to pair with Jarrett Allen and sheds enough contracts to pay some of their young guys over the next couple years and retain them all. They can be players in free agency for once.

Dinwiddie
Lavert
Simmons / Carroll
AG
J. Allen

Your hate for Gordon aside... you want to replace him with a forward who's 2/17 from 3 so far this season? I'm not convinced you'd have to give up AG to get Russell and I'd much rather have him than RHJ. Seems like it'd be putting MKG at the 3 next to our 2 bigs.

Yeah. I don’t believe Brooklyn will let either Dinwiddie or Russell go for nothing. I also could see Ross playing the 3 in a Russell,Fournier, Ross, Isaac, Bamba lineup

RHJ gives Orlando a good defender off the bench at 3/4.

[MagicFan101]

People are a little quick to hate on MagicMatic's proposal. The simple fact that I of all people am coming to his defense should be proof enough of that.

This isn't as simple as swapping AG for Russell.

I would follow this deal up with resigning Ross, RHJ and trading away Fournier. Surely Crabbe opts in for one final year so we have our SG / SF depth without Fournier.

The one thing I would offer up here that Matic will not enjoy is that if Evan is gone and we instead opt to surround Russell with defensive (or 3&D) specialists at SG, SF and PF then I would enjoy bringing Vuc back on a 2-3 year deal.

Russell, DJ
Crabbe, Ross
RHJ, Iwandu
Isaac, Fournier-trade?
Vuc, Bamba

Also, we don't have to part with the OKC pick in this scenario. We would have the Fournier trade + draft picks to add depth to the SF / PF spots.

I love the idea of giving a young and explosive, yet reckless PG like Russell to Cliff. If he can instill better decision making and fundamentals to Russell it could be a great investment.

[Magic_Johnny12]

People are a little quick to hate on MagicMatic's proposal. The simple fact that I of all people am coming to his defense should be proof enough of that.

This isn't as simple as swapping AG for Russell.

I would follow this deal up with resigning Ross, RHJ and trading away Fournier. Surely Crabbe opts in for one final year so we have our SG / SF depth without Fournier.

The one thing I would offer up here that Matic will not enjoy is that if Evan is gone and we instead opt to surround Russell with defensive (or 3&D) specialists at SG, SF and PF then I would enjoy bringing Vuc back on a 2-3 year deal.

Russell, DJ
Crabbe, Ross
RHJ, Iwandu
Isaac, Fournier-trade?
Vuc, Bamba

Also, we don't have to part with the OKC pick in this scenario. We would have the Fournier trade + draft picks to add depth to the SF / PF spots.

I love the idea of giving a young and explosive, yet reckless PG like Russell to Cliff. If he can instill better decision making and fundamentals to Russell it could be a great investment.

That team even if Fournier is traded for positive value is not better than our current roster, we become an even worse shooting team after this trade

I follow Brooklyn quite closely, Crabbe is not starter material and is an even questionable bench piece (please ask Brooklyn posters yourself if you dont believe me). Jefferson can not shoot a lick, so we would have (3) players in a starting unit that are poor shooters and a PG that is extremely inconsistent.

Now we have to pay (4) players in (Russell/Jefferson/Vucevic/Ross) this summer.

This is just a bad allocation of assets imho.

[MagicMatic]

People are a little quick to hate on MagicMatic's proposal. The simple fact that I of all people am coming to his defense should be proof enough of that.

This isn't as simple as swapping AG for Russell.

I would follow this deal up with resigning Ross, RHJ and trading away Fournier. Surely Crabbe opts in for one final year so we have our SG / SF depth without Fournier.

The one thing I would offer up here that Matic will not enjoy is that if Evan is gone and we instead opt to surround Russell with defensive (or 3&D) specialists at SG, SF and PF then I would enjoy bringing Vuc back on a 2-3 year deal.

Russell, DJ
Crabbe, Ross
RHJ, Iwandu
Isaac, Fournier-trade?
Vuc, Bamba

Also, we don't have to part with the OKC pick in this scenario. We would have the Fournier trade + draft picks to add depth to the SF / PF spots.

I love the idea of giving a young and explosive, yet reckless PG like Russell to Cliff. If he can instill better decision making and fundamentals to Russell it could be a great investment.

That team even if Fournier is traded for positive value is not better than our current roster, we become an even worse shooting team after this trade

I follow Brooklyn quite closely, Crabbe is not starter material and is an even questionable bench piece (please ask Brooklyn posters yourself if you dont believe me). Jefferson can not shoot a lick, so we would have (3) players in a starting unit that are poor shooters and a PG that is extremely inconsistent.

Now we have to pay (4) players in (Russell/Jefferson/Vucevic/Ross) this summer.

This is just a bad allocation of assets imho.

Instead of trading Fournier Orlando would trade Vuc. Crabbe would be coming off the bench if he opts in.

It would be Russell, Fournier, Ross, Isaac, Bamba with RHJ, Crabbe, and DJ off the bench. That’s a more balanced starting lineup than what we have currently.

[tiderulz]

People are a little quick to hate on MagicMatic's proposal. The simple fact that I of all people am coming to his defense should be proof enough of that.

This isn't as simple as swapping AG for Russell.

I would follow this deal up with resigning Ross, RHJ and trading away Fournier. Surely Crabbe opts in for one final year so we have our SG / SF depth without Fournier.

The one thing I would offer up here that Matic will not enjoy is that if Evan is gone and we instead opt to surround Russell with defensive (or 3&D) specialists at SG, SF and PF then I would enjoy bringing Vuc back on a 2-3 year deal.

Russell, DJ
Crabbe, Ross
RHJ, Iwandu
Isaac, Fournier-trade?
Vuc, Bamba

Also, we don't have to part with the OKC pick in this scenario. We would have the Fournier trade + draft picks to add depth to the SF / PF spots.

I love the idea of giving a young and explosive, yet reckless PG like Russell to Cliff. If he can instill better decision making and fundamentals to Russell it could be a great investment.

Russell way too much a chukker for me to want to get him and pay him a big deal.

[MagicFan101]

People are a little quick to hate on MagicMatic's proposal. The simple fact that I of all people am coming to his defense should be proof enough of that.

This isn't as simple as swapping AG for Russell.

I would follow this deal up with resigning Ross, RHJ and trading away Fournier. Surely Crabbe opts in for one final year so we have our SG / SF depth without Fournier.

The one thing I would offer up here that Matic will not enjoy is that if Evan is gone and we instead opt to surround Russell with defensive (or 3&D) specialists at SG, SF and PF then I would enjoy bringing Vuc back on a 2-3 year deal.

Russell, DJ
Crabbe, Ross
RHJ, Iwandu
Isaac, Fournier-trade?
Vuc, Bamba

Also, we don't have to part with the OKC pick in this scenario. We would have the Fournier trade + draft picks to add depth to the SF / PF spots.

I love the idea of giving a young and explosive, yet reckless PG like Russell to Cliff. If he can instill better decision making and fundamentals to Russell it could be a great investment.

Russell way too much a chukker for me to want to get him and pay him a big deal.

AG isn’t perfect either.

I really believe Cliff would have a positive impact on Russell.

Draft Scouting Profile of Kemba Walker:

Connecticut's half court offense was largely late clock isolations: can he get a team organized and operate an NBA style, functional system? Has a tendency to play out of control times, but to his credit he has learned to pace himself when the situation calls for it (2.3 turnovers). It's difficult to cage a lion, and as a result he will go through patches where he gets caught up in the emotion of the game. Too many out of control shot attempts, attacking the trees wildly when there's simply nothing available. Fearless is a great quality as long as it doesn't reach the point of reckless.

[The Effect]

What more than Simmons should Orlando be giving up for Frank?

I wouldnt even give up simmons for him

2020 2nd rounder at best

Maybe, but New York isn’t going to give up the 8th pick from only 2 years ago for only a 2nd round pick. He’s younger than Isaac by a year and nobody would give up on a player that young with such great intangibles.

Tyus Jones, Dejounte Murray, and Frank Ntilikina are all good young guards with potential that Orlando should target if possible.

We gave up on a top 5 pick pretty quickly and many people wanted him gone by the trade deadline of his 2nd year for anything, even a 2nd rounder

Frank to this point hasn't proven the had any offensive ability and looks like strickly a defensive player, hell that's what we drafted in the 2nd this year

Could Frank develop? Sure, but his offense doesn't just look bad, it looks non-existent and no team is going to give up much for that type of player, no matter where they were drafted

[Airgordon00]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb7rqv4h
3 team deal Orlando/Washington /Brooklyn

Orlando in: Bradley Beal and Deangelo Russell.

Washington in: vooch, Fournier, crabbe, Orlando’s 2019 unprotected first and 2 2nd rd picks.

Brooklyn in: Jonathan Simmons, Jerian Grant, Ian Mahinmi and Okc’s 2020 first and a future 2nd rd from Orlando.

Why for Orlando: They get a stud in Beal while getting rid of Fournier’s long term deal. They take a flyer on Deangelo Russell and see if he can be the PG of the future. You would then have a starting lineup of Russell, Beal, Isaac, Gordon and Bamba. Then have a solid bench with DJ, Ross, iwundu, Martin and birch.

Why for Washington: They do this to blow up the core but still stay competitive with vooch and Evan. Plus they get a first this year that could end up in the lottery if the magic don’t gel. They swap crappy contracts of crabbe and mahinmi.

Why for Brooklyn: They do this to get draft assets while still keeping a PG of the future in Dinwiddie.

I feel like this sets us up for the future and allows the young guys a chance to expand their games more without vooch and Fournier not there to take all the usage. This might cost us the playoffs this year but I think it gives us a better direction for the future.

Thoughts?


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[Nemesis21]

Nets say no. Grant, Simmons and Mahinmi for D Russ

[Airgordon00]

Nets say no. Grant, Simmons and Mahinmi for D Russ

I figured Crabbe and mahinmi were a wash because they both have 2 years left on their deals( Crabbe has a player option that he will for sure activate). Plus I figured nets will probably have to pick between Russell or Dinwiddie so might as well get some assets for an expiring.


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[Airgordon00]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybwm4vsr

Magic in: Derozan

Spurs in: Vooch, Fournier and 2019 top 3 protected 1st.

Spurs do this to get some more shooting and a first rd pick to help build for the future. Plus they stay competitive with this trade.

Magic do this to get a star player who can win you a game by himself. He is a beast at getting to the free throw line which we are dreadful at and he can play pretty good defense when he wants to. This also could help us in free agency when trying to convince Players to come here. Maybe we could even persuade a Kemba to come join this bunch. A lineup of kemba, Derozan, Isaac, Gordon And Bamba would be fun to watch.

Thoughts? Do we need to give the spurs more or does it seem fair?


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[tiderulz]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybwm4vsr

Magic in: Derozan

Spurs in: Vooch, Fournier and 2019 top 3 protected 1st.

Spurs do this to get some more shooting and a first rd pick to help build for the future. Plus they stay competitive with this trade.

Magic do this to get a star player who can win you a game by himself. He is a beast at getting to the free throw line which we are dreadful at and he can play pretty good defense when he wants to. This also could help us in free agency when trying to convince Players to come here. Maybe we could even persuade a Kemba to come join this bunch. A lineup of kemba, Derozan, Isaac, Gordon And Bamba would be fun to watch.

Thoughts? Do we need to give the spurs more or does it seem fair?


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where do you get that Demar is a good defender?

[Airgordon00]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybwm4vsr

Magic in: Derozan

Spurs in: Vooch, Fournier and 2019 top 3 protected 1st.

Spurs do this to get some more shooting and a first rd pick to help build for the future. Plus they stay competitive with this trade.

Magic do this to get a star player who can win you a game by himself. He is a beast at getting to the free throw line which we are dreadful at and he can play pretty good defense when he wants to. This also could help us in free agency when trying to convince Players to come here. Maybe we could even persuade a Kemba to come join this bunch. A lineup of kemba, Derozan, Isaac, Gordon And Bamba would be fun to watch.

Thoughts? Do we need to give the spurs more or does it seem fair?


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where do you get that Demar is a good defender?

Ok well maybe he isn’t the best defender but I think coach Clifford could get him to play better on that end kinda like he has for vooch. The physical traits are there for him it’s just the want to that has to be improved.


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[NavalAviator94]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybwm4vsr

Magic in: Derozan

Spurs in: Vooch, Fournier and 2019 top 3 protected 1st.

Spurs do this to get some more shooting and a first rd pick to help build for the future. Plus they stay competitive with this trade.

Magic do this to get a star player who can win you a game by himself. He is a beast at getting to the free throw line which we are dreadful at and he can play pretty good defense when he wants to. This also could help us in free agency when trying to convince Players to come here. Maybe we could even persuade a Kemba to come join this bunch. A lineup of kemba, Derozan, Isaac, Gordon And Bamba would be fun to watch.

Thoughts? Do we need to give the spurs more or does it seem fair?


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where do you get that Demar is a good defender?

Ok well maybe he isn’t the best defender but I think coach Clifford could get him to play better on that end kinda like he has for vooch. The physical traits are there for him it’s just the want to that has to be improved.


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He doesn’t shoot the 3 either.


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[Airgordon00]

where do you get that Demar is a good defender?

Ok well maybe he isn’t the best defender but I think coach Clifford could get him to play better on that end kinda like he has for vooch. The physical traits are there for him it’s just the want to that has to be improved.


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He doesn’t shot the 3 either.


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That’s true but he also does a lot of other things well. It’s not like he is a bum and he would be an improvement from Fournier.


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[NotACat]

This one is a little out there: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc58myte

Fournier and Grant to the Wizards for Mahinmi, Kelly Oubre Jr, and Satoransky

Maybe also our OKC pick for their 2020 pick


We get a backup PG, have mega cap space in 2 years, get another long boi to play SG

[NavalAviator94]

Ok well maybe he isn’t the best defender but I think coach Clifford could get him to play better on that end kinda like he has for vooch. The physical traits are there for him it’s just the want to that has to be improved.


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He doesn’t shot the 3 either.


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That’s true but he also does a lot of other things well. It’s not like he is a bum and he would be an improvement from Fournier.

For sure but I’m not trading for a guy that can’t spread the floor on a team that needs shooting.

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