Trade idea thread

[drsd]

The rumour-mill is going crazy on the Davis-to-LAL posts. But all of them have Orlando as part of hit; virtually always resulting in some sort of PG asset coming to the Magic.

[drsd]

Would you guys do Fred VanVleet + CJ Miles for Fournier?

I am a little out at the interest of trading a quality starter for two bench players.

[Furinkazan]

Would you guys do Fred VanVleet + CJ Miles for Fournier?

HELL NO

and as you can see half of us would half woudnt...propably pretty much the same on your board with that idea.

[Knightro]

Here are the financials of Fournier for VanVleet/Miles...

Fournier
17M in 18-19
17M in 19-20
17M player option (assuming he picks this up) in 20-21
Total: 51M

VanVleet
8.65M in 18-19
9.34M in 19-20
Total: 18M

Miles
8.33M in 18-19
8.73M player option (assuming he picks this up) in 19-20
Total 17M
Combined total: 35M

Magic would clear roughly 16M off the books in the 2020-2021 season. The Magic would also have the option of stretching Miles after this season and chopping his 8.73M final season to 2.91M over three season. Would create an additional 5.82M in cap space for next summer.

G: Augustin/VanVleet
G: Ross/Miles
F: Isaac/Simmons
F: Gordon/Isaac
C: Vucevic/Bamba

Is that better than what the Magic have right now? It all boils down to how much you think VanVleet is an upgrade over Grant and if you think Miles can come back from the dead and give even 15 capable minutes a night.

[NotACat]

Here are the financials of Fournier for VanVleet/Miles...

Fournier
17M in 18-19
17M in 19-20
17M player option (assuming he picks this up) in 20-21
Total: 51M

VanVleet
8.65M in 18-19
9.34M in 19-20
Total: 18M

Miles
8.33M in 18-19
8.73M player option (assuming he picks this up) in 19-20
Total 17M
Combined total: 35M

Magic would clear roughly 16M off the books in the 2020-2021 season. The Magic would also have the option of stretching Miles after this season and chopping his 8.73M final season to 2.91M over three season. Would create an additional 5.82M in cap space for next summer.

G: Augustin/VanVleet
G: Ross/Miles
F: Isaac/Simmons
F: Gordon/Isaac
C: Vucevic/Bamba

Is that better than what the Magic have right now? It all boils down to how much you think VanVleet is an upgrade over Grant and if you think Miles can come back from the dead and give even 15 capable minutes a night.

I don't think it makes us much worse or better, especially if Ross continues to close out games. I would do it for the opportunity to be an attractive destination in the 2020 FA market

[Shady Franchise]

First time (this season)/Long time. What do you guys think about CP3 to push this team into the playoffs, and helping develop Gordon/Isaac with his experience/knowledge? Or is it a HELL NO for CP3's contract?

[MoMM]

First time (this season)/Long time. What do you guys think about CP3 to push this team into the playoffs, and helping develop Gordon/Isaac with his experience/knowledge? Or is it a HELL NO for CP3's contract?

I believe he is too old for this team time frame.

[Shady Franchise]

First time (this season)/Long time. What do you guys think about CP3 to push this team into the playoffs, and helping develop Gordon/Isaac with his experience/knowledge? Or is it a HELL NO for CP3's contract?

I believe he is too old for this team time frame.

I agree, but boy would he be able to help develop the young guys, and probably could still lure some nice FAs.

[Shady Franchise]

Can we get Beal for Fournier+Bamba? Is that realistic, or is the value off?

[NotACat]

Can we get Beal for Fournier+Bamba? Is that realistic, or is the value off?

I don't know if anyone has a real gauge on Beal's value.

[anothermagicfan]

I saw an article today that Phoenix is expected to make ariza available after December 15th. What about ariza for mozgov and Brooklyn's 2nd this year. Phoenix can stretch mozgov next year or ride out his 16 mil and Ryan Anderson's 20+ million giving them a bunch of cap space in 2020 to add to Booker ayton and they're high first round pick in 2019. We'd get rid of mozgovs 16 million hit next year and have some wing help this year. Thoughts?

[tiderulz]

First time (this season)/Long time. What do you guys think about CP3 to push this team into the playoffs, and helping develop Gordon/Isaac with his experience/knowledge? Or is it a HELL NO for CP3's contract?

Hell no. 3 years after this for $120mil+ and he CANNOT stay healthy, turning 34, that is only going to get worse. and going from a contender to us, he would mail it in

[tiderulz]

I saw an article today that Phoenix is expected to make ariza available after December 15th. What about ariza for mozgov and Brooklyn's 2nd this year. Phoenix can stretch mozgov next year or ride out his 16 mil and Ryan Anderson's 20+ million giving them a bunch of cap space in 2020 to add to Booker ayton and they're high first round pick in 2019. We'd get rid of mozgovs 16 million hit next year and have some wing help this year. Thoughts?

Phoenix isnt going to eat Mozgovs money next year for a 2nd.

[Knightro]

I'll bring up the trade suggestion that I had earlier in the thread because I think it still works.

George Hill (19M this year, only 1M guaranteed for 19-20)
for
Timo Mozgov (16M this year, 16.7M in 19-20), Jerian Grant 2.63M expiring and the 2020 OKC 1st round pick.

Why for Orlando?
1) Hill is an immediate upgrade over Grant and can give the Magic MUCH better minutes in their PG rotation immediately. Replacing Grant with a super competent veteran would dramatically help the Magic on the court this year as they push for the playoffs.

2) Getting out from underneath Mozgov's 19-20 money without having to use stretch provision on him. This is critical for the Magic's 2019 free agency hopes. Clearing 15.7M off the books in one shot instead of only 11.1M off the books by stretching Timo would give the Magic even more money to chase free agent point guards.

Why for Cleveland?
1) Cleveland is in a full blown tanking situation. The Cavaliers have expressed a willingness to take on longer money (Mozzy has 1 year left compared to Hill) in exchange for draft capital.

[pennypennypenny]

I'll bring up the trade suggestion that I had earlier in the thread because I think it still works.

George Hill (19M this year, only 1M guaranteed for 19-20)
for
Timo Mozgov (16M this year, 16.7M in 19-20), Jerian Grant 2.63M expiring and the 2020 OKC 1st round pick.

Why for Orlando?
1) Hill is an immediate upgrade over Grant and can give the Magic MUCH better minutes in their PG rotation immediately. Replacing Grant with a super competent veteran would dramatically help the Magic on the court this year as they push for the playoffs.

2) Getting out from underneath Mozgov's 19-20 money without having to use stretch provision on him. This is critical for the Magic's 2019 free agency hopes. Clearing 15.7M off the books in one shot instead of only 11.1M off the books by stretching Timo would give the Magic even more money to chase free agent point guards.

Why for Cleveland?
1) Cleveland is in a full blown tanking situation. The Cavaliers have expressed a willingness to take on longer money (Mozzy has 1 year left compared to Hill) in exchange for draft capital.

With Mozgov out, will there be enough money to resign Vooch Ross and lure Dlo ( or Dinwiddle) ? It would be huge

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[GatorbaitDD]

Someone thinks there is a rumor that Orlando can be part of a LAL / NOP deal that has Davis going west.

For Orlando:
LINK
The crux in this for Orlando is Ross, Mozgov, 2019 1st, 2020 2nd for Jrue Holiday.

Getting out of Mozgov's deal to gain Holiday is interesting. It actually allows the Magic to resign Vučević to a multi-year deal.

Orlando becomes:
Holiday/Augustin/Grant
Fournier/Iwundu
Isaac/Simmons/Frazier
Gordon/Martin
Vučević/Bamba/Birch

There is a lot I like about it. The trade has flaws, but in the end the Magic get a true PG-starter for Ross (and get Mozgov dumped even before he is expiring). The Magic p probably make this year's playoffs. And in the offseason can look to the wing and forward depth through lower-end FA deals.


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I would do this in a heartbeat. They can even make the 2019 pick unprotected

Holiday would be absolutely perfect. He can play on/off the ball. Very underrated player.

[NotACat]

I'll bring up the trade suggestion that I had earlier in the thread because I think it still works.

George Hill (19M this year, only 1M guaranteed for 19-20)
for
Timo Mozgov (16M this year, 16.7M in 19-20), Jerian Grant 2.63M expiring and the 2020 OKC 1st round pick.

Why for Orlando?
1) Hill is an immediate upgrade over Grant and can give the Magic MUCH better minutes in their PG rotation immediately. Replacing Grant with a super competent veteran would dramatically help the Magic on the court this year as they push for the playoffs.

2) Getting out from underneath Mozgov's 19-20 money without having to use stretch provision on him. This is critical for the Magic's 2019 free agency hopes. Clearing 15.7M off the books in one shot instead of only 11.1M off the books by stretching Timo would give the Magic even more money to chase free agent point guards.

Why for Cleveland?
1) Cleveland is in a full blown tanking situation. The Cavaliers have expressed a willingness to take on longer money (Mozzy has 1 year left compared to Hill) in exchange for draft capital.

Is the OKC pick worth an extra $16.7million? That'd be a tough call for me if I'm the Cavs. Although it may help them hit the salary floor and spend money they were going to spend anyways

[Knightro]

With Mozgov out, will there be enough money to resign Vooch Ross and lure Dlo ( or Dinwiddle) ? It would be huge

It would make it much more possible. Dumping Mozgov's money would put the Magic over 40M in cap space. Is that enough in year 1 to sign a PG and keep Ross/Vucevic?

If the PG and Vucevic are willing to take 16M year 1 and Ross is willing to take like 12M year 1, then maybe so.

We'll have to see how it shakes out.

[Knightro]

Is the OKC pick worth an extra $16.7million? That'd be a tough call for me if I'm the Cavs. Although it may help them hit the salary floor and spend money they were going to spend anyways

In a vacuum? No. It's not worth it.

But the Cavs only have 88M in committed salary so 19-20 right now on a projected 109M salary cap. They have to spend 98.1M anyway to reach the salary floor, so taking on Mozgov certainly isn't as untenable.

With that in mind, really it's like buying that OKC pick for 6.7M.

[tiderulz]

I'll bring up the trade suggestion that I had earlier in the thread because I think it still works.

George Hill (19M this year, only 1M guaranteed for 19-20)
for
Timo Mozgov (16M this year, 16.7M in 19-20), Jerian Grant 2.63M expiring and the 2020 OKC 1st round pick.

Why for Orlando?
1) Hill is an immediate upgrade over Grant and can give the Magic MUCH better minutes in their PG rotation immediately. Replacing Grant with a super competent veteran would dramatically help the Magic on the court this year as they push for the playoffs.

2) Getting out from underneath Mozgov's 19-20 money without having to use stretch provision on him. This is critical for the Magic's 2019 free agency hopes. Clearing 15.7M off the books in one shot instead of only 11.1M off the books by stretching Timo would give the Magic even more money to chase free agent point guards.

Why for Cleveland?
1) Cleveland is in a full blown tanking situation. The Cavaliers have expressed a willingness to take on longer money (Mozzy has 1 year left compared to Hill) in exchange for draft capital.

Is the OKC pick worth an extra $16.7million? That'd be a tough call for me if I'm the Cavs. Although it may help them hit the salary floor and spend money they were going to spend anyways

yeah, not a chance CLE does that. they would want the OKC pick plus our first pick.