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Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:42 pm
by ducler
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Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:12 pm
by basketballRob
We've been getting off to really slow starts lately.

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Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:17 pm
by SOUL
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Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:18 pm
by j-ragg
Can’t tell if our defense or offense is dumber. Maybe Fournier will turn into a ball handler/good decision maker one day.

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:22 pm
by basketballRob
8 points in first 6 minutes is better than lately.

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Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:23 pm
by SOUL
The last two shots they made, lol.

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:24 pm
by basketballRob
Vuc might have 12 rebounds already bouncing it off the rim as usual.

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Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:26 pm
by j-ragg
I hate that our 6th pick is relegated to watching Fournier and Vuc run every play.

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:28 pm
by pepe1991
that offense

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:28 pm
by pepe1991
j-ragg wrote:I hate that our 6th pick is relegated to watching Fournier and Vuc run every play.


i hate that our 6# picks have offensive skillsets of undrafted players

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:29 pm
by SOUL
pepe1991 wrote:
j-ragg wrote:I hate that our 6th pick is relegated to watching Fournier and Vuc run every play.


i hate that our 6# picks have offensive skillsets of undrafted players


pepe and **** on young players, name a better combo :D

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:30 pm
by fklt
net ratings of all lineups with 50 mins or more, grouped by with isaac, and without isaac. not pretty. even the starters who are pretty good with almost all combinations, become negative with him.

without
+18.3 D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .T. Ross, .E. Fournier, .A. Gordon
+5.7 D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .E. Fournier, .A. Gordon, .W. Iwundu
+4.0D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .E. Fournier, .J. Simmons, .A. Gordon
+2.5T. Ross, .J. Simmons, .A. Gordon, .J. Grant, .M. Bamba

with
-38.0 T. Ross, .J. Simmons, .J. Grant, .J. Isaac, .M. Bamba
-12.8 T. Ross, .E. Fournier, .J. Grant, .J. Isaac, .M. Bamba
-2.6 D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .E. Fournier, .A. Gordon, .J. Isaac

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753&CF=MIN*G*50

edit: wrong thread :noway:

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:31 pm
by j-ragg
pepe1991 wrote:
j-ragg wrote:I hate that our 6th pick is relegated to watching Fournier and Vuc run every play.


i hate that our 6# picks have offensive skillsets of undrafted players

He’ll never get comfortable standing in the corner and watching. ALready have a terrible offense, Fournier having a terrible season but more usage. Blows my mind.

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:32 pm
by j-ragg
I dunno how we have so many Shaqtin turnovers.

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:34 pm
by pepe1991
pepe1991 wrote:
j-ragg wrote:I hate that our 6th pick is relegated to watching Fournier and Vuc run every play.


i hate that our 6# picks have offensive skillsets of undrafted players


In last 4 games Jonathan Isaac:
15 points total ( 6-17 FG ), 0 FTA, 2 assists , 3 TOs .

It's not hating, guy flat out sucks at offense.

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:34 pm
by SOUL
18 points would be an improvement for us lol

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:35 pm
by nemesis37
This is boring :noway:

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:36 pm
by pepe1991
fklt wrote:net ratings of all lineups has 50 mins or more, grouped by with isaac, and without isaac. not pretty. even the starters who are pretty good with almost all combinations, become negative with him.

without
+18.3 D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .T. Ross, .E. Fournier, .A. Gordon
+5.7 D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .E. Fournier, .A. Gordon, .W. Iwundu
+4.0D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .E. Fournier, .J. Simmons, .A. Gordon
+2.5T. Ross, .J. Simmons, .A. Gordon, .J. Grant, .M. Bamba

with
-38.0 T. Ross, .J. Simmons, .J. Grant, .J. Isaac, .M. Bamba
-12.8 T. Ross, .E. Fournier, .J. Grant, .J. Isaac, .M. Bamba
-2.6 D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .E. Fournier, .A. Gordon, .J. Isaac

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753&CF=MIN*G*50

edit: wrong thread :noway:


Because starters plays 4 on 5 with him. He is great 1 on1 defender but as help defender makes a lot of mistakes. It was best shown vs Bulls where he was just missing people after switches and kept going under screens for no good reason.

Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:39 pm
by basketballRob
pepe1991 wrote:
j-ragg wrote:I hate that our 6th pick is relegated to watching Fournier and Vuc run every play.


i hate that our 6# picks have offensive skillsets of undrafted players
If they gave him some usage and put him in a spot where he likes it. Like on top of the key or elbow. He's quick and tall enough to get his shot.

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Re: Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (15-16) at Orlando Magic (14-17)

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:41 pm
by j-ragg
AG would be better cut for 90s nba when bigs couldn’t shoot. Falls asleep so much off ball. Think I’d give him an A for on ball defense this year and a D off ball.